What's the meaning of life?

I will judge the lack of things to do in game, content available, things that motivate me to play, goals set for me to reach when SE asks for my money. Otherwise, they can take ten years to reach that point for all I care. There are a bunch of things to do, lots of cool games to play in the mean time, checking and playing the game from time to time is enough for me.

the meanging of life: It ends

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Originally Posted by Holland

I will judge the lack of things to do in game, content available, things that motivate me to play, goals set for me to reach when SE asks for my money. Otherwise, they can take ten years to reach that point for all I care. There are a bunch of things to do, lots of cool games to play in the mean time, checking and playing the game from time to time is enough for me.

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I agree with this.

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Originally Posted by DoubleEcho

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

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This^, and only this..... :D. LMAO, this is funny.

If the purpose of this life could be met before SE was even able to charge for it, CEO's would not get bonuses.

So, the purpose of this current time, as is real life in the first 1/3, is to prepare yourself for the last 2/3.

Execute order 66

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Originally Posted by Sephr

This is a justified (although totally useless, what does it achieve? The dev team are all too familiar with this) post, just melodramatic as always Gift - THE WORLD IS ENDING, THINGS AREN'T GOING MY WAY etc.

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Paraphrase much?

The purpose is to slay internet monsters and tell others to get bent.

Waits for the day to PWN in some pvp, or get Pwned lol!

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Originally Posted by Verecund

Chocolate, cigarettes, beer, caffeine, women - oh, and friends!

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For a person who doesn't like the game and is all negative, I cant believe you're post has no negativity about the game in it. For that I give you a thumbs up!

Now Go find some friends!:P

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Originally Posted by Onji_T

People are supposed to set their own goals. Do you really need a game that tells you what you want to do?

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so if i released a game where all you do is kill bunnies for no other purpose than leveling up you would claim its a work of art? FFXIV is no elder scrolls...

edit: let me put it another way.

set 50 as your goal: reach 50. Only diff from 36 is you can now do 45 raids, 4ish sidequests that are pointless, 2 or 3 lame story quests that you can solo at rank 1, and "hnms" which no one does.

set saving up 100mil gil as your goal: congrats, nothing in the game is worth over 5mil. you can look at your inventory and be like "im elite".

get the picture? No matter what your goal is, you won't get anything special out of it because the game is so simple that any casual player can pretty well have everything. So essentially the only goal you can have is to waste time with the hopes that you benefit from it in the future. Because crafting is essentially hitting 1 button over and over again for hours, and so is SP'ing in parties....

All we need is more avenues of inquiry so that we might ask the big question "does this fulfill me"?

If all we are doing is killing bunnies or whatever other aberration my guildleves sees fit to throw at me, then it is quite simple to answer the question above. The answer being no.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Lol have you ever posted anything relevant to any topic you've ever participated in?

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Has anyone ever posted anything relevant on these forums ever?

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

All we need is more avenues of inquiry so that we might ask the big question "does this fulfill me"?

If all we are doing is killing bunnies or whatever other aberration my guildleves sees fit to throw at me, then it is quite simple to answer the question above. The answer being no.

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just to be clear there are no bunnies in this game. Its depressing. I love bunnies.

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Originally Posted by Amsai

@ OP
The Meaning of Life is a Monty Python movie.

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Right.

Now f**k off. Go on. ^_^

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Right.

Now f**k off. Go on. ^_^

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lol...
and get back to work you slacker !!!!
joking :p

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

I love all the troll posts.

The op has a legit question

This game lacks clear goals or milestones that successful MMOs have
It seems like it will be lacking those for quite some time.

It is a grindfest. pure and simple.

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Of course he has.

But just putting together the old ideas from the previous team is plain trolling.
That's sad because I was enjoying the first half of the OP and I was expecting a clever ending that would actually favor constructive discussions, not a pissing contest between tanaka'ers and yoship'ers

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Pal, even if you are Gifthorse, or UserF*CKINGBILLIONS I don't care that much.

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User201109011315: First 8 numbers are the date the account was created, last 4 are an approximation of the day he plans to be banned

OP
When you can give me the true meaning of RL, I'll think about commenting on the true meaning of a Virtual one.

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Originally Posted by northernsky

Of course he has.

But just putting together the old ideas from the previous team is plain trolling.
That's sad because I was enjoying the first half of the OP and I was expecting a clever ending that would actually favor constructive discussions, not a pissing contest between tanaka'ers and yoship'ers

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yeah but even thats a valid point. Tanaka had a vision and while it may have been flawed he developed a unique system that brought something new to the genre. Yoshi-P just mainstream-WoW'd everything and doesn't seem to have any real vision other than fixing the game which is really unambitious. Like really on PS3 release how will FFXIV define itself? "A Fun grind with dungeons not quite comparable to other mmo's..... but we have moogles"?

Well I have to admit that I'm curious as to where this game would be at this time with the previous team still in place.

That said, it's hard to judge overall vision by taking every single step (patches, dungeons) separately. That's why I was interested in OP's question, what's the goal, the meaning of it all?

Right now we have very small and sparse steps that will eventually allow us to reach said goal, i-e real end-game content (which current dungeons are not), but that will only take form when all the pieces are put together with corresponding lore, character development and progression through the various content implemented through 1 year or so of patches.

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Originally Posted by northernsky

Well I have to admit that I'm curious as to where this game would be at this time with the previous team still in place.

That said, it's hard to judge overall vision by taking every single step (patches, dungeons) separately. That's why I was interested in OP's question, what's the goal, the meaning of it all?

Right now we have very small and sparse steps that will eventually allow us to reach said goal, i-e real end-game content (which current dungeons are not), but that will only take form when all the pieces are put together with corresponding lore, character development and progression through the various content implemented through 1 year or so of patches.

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totally agree. the thing that bothers me is yoshi-p doesn't even talk about the future. So theres nothing to really expect. If they came up with some awesome unique new thing (ex. an entire zone of constant dynamic warfare between the 3 nations and garlemond) then i could say 'well at least they have a goal to reach'... but right now the big goal seems to be implementing a job system. And honestly I still can't see how a job system takes an entire year to implement.

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And honestly I still can't see how a job system takes an entire year to implement.

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Except they only thought of jobs a few months ago, not a year ago. They also have to balance the classes to coincide with the jobs system so they can actually be unique. You dont see how that takes time?

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Except they only thought of jobs a few months ago, not a year ago. They also have to balance the classes to coincide with the jobs system so they can actually be unique. You dont see how that takes time?

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old dev team knew they had to change the SP system (you cant honestly think 1-shot coblyn grinding was intended)
new dev team came around januray. lets take a month away for the earthquake. So the new team has had a good 7 months to do 3 simple things.
1. rebalance classes
2. and a job system in for party specialization
3. rebalance mobs

Rather than doing the smart thing and focusing on it for 2 months they decided to release it in parts seperated by 2 month periods or more where each time they had to rebalance all the mobs, mob placements, leves etc. And will now have to rebalance dungeons and such.

I've programmed for complex simulation games before where there were 50-100 variables all effecting things at once and managed to balance it out in a few days. Balancing a game sp/job system should not be difficult. All you have to do is create a damage formula for each job. Then you create a database for the mobs in the game and you set their hp based on level (ex. level*#) and you set their defence as a single variable or you factor in the level, etc. Then you just use that variable in the damage formula.

So for example you might end up with a rank 20 coblyn having 30 def + 400hp.
An archers dmg formula against a coblyn might be
base dmg =(.5*atk) + (.1*str)
real dmg = base dmg - (mob def/3)
so lets say you have 100 atk and 40 str. you do a base dmg of 60 dmg per hit.
if you fight a coblyn with 30 def your real dmg ends up as 50 a hit.
and then maybe you make the dmg vary by doing
Random = Random number from -10 to 10
final damage = real dmg + (Random)
meaning if your real damage is 50 a hit you will now randomly do 40-60 per hit. And you can make it so the random numbers are weighted towards 0 (ex. getting theres a 1/40 chance of getting a -10 or a 10 but a 1/4 chance of getting a -2 to 2)

there you have it, a simplistic damage formula i wrote up in under 10min. For ws's you do the same and just make attributes like str or dex have more of an effect. for whether or not you hit or miss you do a formula with dex, acc, and a random number. etc.

Should take 1 week max to create proper formulas for all the jobs and abilities and maybe if they are really slow another week to do the mobs.

Then you just make some mobs have a high def rating but give better exp so they need a party to kill and maybe take a lot of time to kill. You then put limits on what abilities ppl who activate jobs can use but let them have advanced abilities like lnc maybe gets a few ws's that do dmg and 100% poison inflict. gld gets enhanced defence to last longer. etc. That should again take a week max.

not 7 months.

edit: and if you say "well they have to take gear and all that into account" then simple. You graph the gear stats in multiple ways so you can can see how someone with the worst gear would fair, how average gear would fair, and how the best gear would fair. You can write a program to go through every combination of gear and chart it and there will prob be a pattern. then you choose a section (ex. split the graph into 4 parts and assume the 4th part is for elites, the 1st part is for ppl who dont care about what they wear and then focus mainly on balancing things for the third and upper second part. with tougher mobs balanced for the top 4th part).

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

totally agree. the thing that bothers me is yoshi-p doesn't even talk about the future. So theres nothing to really expect. If they came up with some awesome unique new thing (ex. an entire zone of constant dynamic warfare between the 3 nations and garlemond) then i could say 'well at least they have a goal to reach'... but right now the big goal seems to be implementing a job system. And honestly I still can't see how a job system takes an entire year to implement.

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Yup I have to agree that we don't really know about YoshiP's vision since he rarely gives info for farther than the 1 or 2 next incoming patches.
I guess what I was trying to say is that maybe we should not assume a lack of vision from the current team based on their recent accomplishments, which basically consisted of, as you said, fixing the game.

Yes, they implemented a number of generic MMO features, and hopefully with time (think expansion and pay to play era) they will bring creative, challenging and innovative features on top of this generic stuff (you still need that stuff, the more content the better), once the game is in good shape.

One strong characteristic of the FF series is that each title typically brought the good ideas from previous titles + 2-3 fundamental changes to character development, combat system and storyline progression that made each title very different. This is what I am expecting from XIV.

or maybe he dosn't want to spoil everything they want to release eventually. I'm excited to see how jobs play out, and the new story missions.

I'm getting really sick of people typing things like

Simply add
Easy fix
Quick Change

and of course the ever popular "Focus on.."

If you people are so good at making the largest Kind if video game on the market and it's so easy then STFU get out of our forums and go make your own MMO so we can come complain about everything you do being wrong and too slow.

I personally have bigger fish to fry/complain about lately than the rate of progress with this game.

Originally when I bought this game the biggest thing you had to worry about was how quickly they were going to fix bugs and add content.

Nowadays it's like you have to not only worry about how quickly they are going to fix bugs and add content, but you've also got to worry about whether or not they are going to turn this game into something you didn't sign up for.

I signed up for the armory system, player-run economy, yada yada. I didn't sign up for what Yoshi seems to be pushing.

I think I'd rather have an incompetently slow development team with an actual vision (FFXIV prior to january) than .... an equally incompetently slow development team without a vision (FFXIV post january).

Face it, this new motto of "destroy to improve" isn't getting the new team anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Zahak

or maybe he dosn't want to spoil everything they want to release eventually. I'm excited to see how jobs play out, and the new story missions.

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"the guy working for a corporation has no interest in making a game profitable as quickly as possible"
thats basically what you just said said...

I am going to replace the OP's thread's each fourth word with the word "booty".


Why does my booty do these things? booty, grind, etc? What booty he striving toward? booty is his purpose?

booty looking at the booty grind-threads all booty in this forum, booty have to wonder, booty there more to booty than just the booty?

Is life a booty and then you booty? Or is there booty more out there, booty the great blue booty for which we booty meant to strive?

booty are Walkers of booty Path, but what booty is our path? booty to grind our booty away? Do we booty this path blindly booty even knowing booty it is taking booty?

Maybe if my booty could create his booty, private, Player-run booty, and build a booty, or a ship, booty then he could booty back and say booty has lived a booty life. Maybe if booty was PvP, why perhaps then booty could feel accomplisment booty taking on foes booty similar intelligence. And booty, just maybe, if booty was the freedom booty play as he booty, freedom to play booty whatever role he booty (see armory system), booty he could perhaps booty solace in that booty.

But alas! Woebetide booty, for as he booty do none of booty things, and with booty promise of such booty in the future booty, he shall be booty lost for meaning booty purpose.

Indeed, his booty are looking very booty.

Tell us, why, booty life, are we meant booty die? (Help us booty our cryyy!)

/Susan booty annoying voice.

I think that Azuryember and Gifthorse20198283 should go design an awesome MMO and really capture an entire segment of the MMO population who then I would never have to share a game with ever again.

^ I laughed hard while reading that xD

Very inspiring.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Is life a grind and then you die?

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Actually, most people die many times throughout the grind.

But hey, a little death never stopped anyone. You get back up on your chocobo and shrug it off, not because you want to, because you have to... For as the great scriptures say: 'thar be experience points to be had in them thar hills, and you gonna get you some.'

So we continue always moving forward.. Slaying Efts... Slaying Goblins... Slaying squirrely thingies... Slaying whatever the hell those hippo-gryphon-dog things count as. Etc.

For the present is merely the ever moving shadow that divides yesterday from tomorrow. And in that shadow, lies hope. Hope that we will gain that next level before we next set down our pads. Hope that this tree will yield that mat you really need, even though that website says your much-needed item isn't in that nodes treasure pool. Hope that the item that you are synthing will at long last +3. And so, we move ever forward through the shadow, guided by our hope.

You see, the meaning of lifes are like whales, swimming around in a pod, eating shrimps and krill and those other little things, you know the ones. Then some someone feeds you an apple pie. And you're like, 'holy **** this is amazing', then you find out that there's a factory that makes apple pies?! So all the whales line up outside the factory eating apple pies.

That's the simplest way I can explain it.


:P

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Originally Posted by SnowTiger

Actually, most people die many times throughout the grind.

But hey, a little death never stopped anyone. You get back up on your chocobo and shrug it off, not because you want to, because you have to... For as the great scriptures say: 'thar be experience points to be had in them thar hills, and you gonna get you some.'

So we continue always moving forward.. Slaying Efts... Slaying Goblins... Slaying squirrely thingies... Slaying whatever the hell those hippo-gryphon-dog things count as. Etc.

For the present is merely the ever moving shadow that divides yesterday from tomorrow. And in that shadow, lies hope. Hope that we will gain that next level before we next set down our pads. Hope that this tree will yield that mat you really need, even though that website says your much-needed item isn't in that nodes treasure pool. Hope that the item that you are synthing will at long last +3. And so, we move ever forward through the shadow, guided by our hope.

You see, the meaning of lifes are like whales, swimming around in a pod, eating shrimps and krill and those other little things, you know the ones. Then some someone feeds you an apple pie. And you're like, 'holy **** this is amazing', then you find out that there's a factory that makes apple pies?! So all the whales line up outside the factory eating apple pies.

That's the simplest way I can explain it.


:P

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I never thought of it like that before.

The meaning of life?

Entropy.

We build things just so we can destroy them later

what can we build?

Or is that the point of FFXIV; it's sparing us the formality?

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

what can we build?

Or is that the point of FFXIV; it's sparing us the formality?

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You can build your weapons with Materia.
Or hybridize your class by adding skills from other classes.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

You can build your weapons with Materia.
Or hybridize your class by adding skills from other classes.

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and do what with it? theres nothing to really challenge you yet and stats are broken so good gear doesn't make a huge difference in most cases. If they fixed stats and made epic raids like dynamis with difficult versions (ex. dynamis-xarcabard) then you have an incentive to power up your char, try diff combos, and get good weapons. But there hasn't been -any- mention of a concept like that for this game. It -SOUNDS- like in the next half year we will just get more short repetitive hour-ish raids like we have now.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

and do what with it? theres nothing to really challenge you yet and stats are broken so good gear doesn't make a huge difference in most cases. If they fixed stats and made epic raids like dynamis with difficult versions (ex. dynamis-xarcabard) then you have an incentive to power up your char, try diff combos, and get good weapons. But there hasn't been -any- mention of a concept like that for this game. It -SOUNDS- like in the next half year we will just get more short repetitive hour-ish raids like we have now.

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I assume that's part of the whole stat reworking thing there doing for 1.20 is about.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I assume that's part of the whole stat reworking thing there doing for 1.20 is about.

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lets use some logic.
To have an epic raid you need a stable balanced stat + job system.
Stat and job system is being released in 1.20
1.19 is coming out end of sept
average 2 months between patches
so we can guess 1.20 will be end of nov beginning of december.
Game usually beta test for a 2-6 weeks to balance out stats. Its taken SE nearly a year.
So you can assume there will be 2-4 months of tweaking before they get a set battle + stats system
devleoping raids apparently takes 2-3 months for se (remember the 1 month delay just to test and battle the current 2 raids)
So February would be the earliest we see anything that compares to a dynamis raid most likely. More likely next april or may though.

I mean im sure it will come eventually just right now its not there and probably wont be any time in the near future.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

...I'm sure it will come eventually just right now its not there and probably wont be any time in the near future.

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I didn't say anything about the near future. Yeah, point stabilization is going to take a few months, but it's going to happen. And after it does it won't magically disappear. It's the final adjustment for the materia, job and leveling system to the point where they become valid features. And it's not like raids are going to be the end all be all of content.