Heavensward. Something is missing?

Wouldn't expect anything more than 2.0 with dragons (and some tweaks) honestly, that's pretty much usually how it goes in these types of games. Maybe a couple new features and systems but those are probably still 6+ months out.

Relic (which is due for 3.1) wasn't mentioned but will probably be similar to 2.x relic with some tweaks.

I think the airship content is something they have been pitching but it honestly just sounds like treasure maps 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

Actually it's not the only thing, there's just not much else to do once you've done the rest, which a good portion of the playerbase have done, which again, is why people only log on for tomes/other weekly stuff and then log off until Tuesday.

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Just because you've completed all the content in the game you're interested in, doesn't mean you've completed every thing in the game. There's probably a handful of people at best who have completed absolutely everything. If we go by XIVPads since there's no better statisitics available publicly to players, I'm ranked 120 in the achievements out of about 35,000 characters added to that website, that puts me in a very top percentile of players & I still have a tonne of stuff to do.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

Actually it's not the only thing, there's just not much else to do once you've done the rest, which a good portion of the playerbase have done, which again, is why people only log on for tomes/other weekly stuff and then log off until Tuesday.

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So you have completed everything there is to do in the game? Wow I guess I must be slow since I still have stuff to do. Why would some people pay to only play a game one day a week and then complain about it?

I don't get how people can be against more different content. Why the hate against people who want more out of the expansion

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Originally Posted by RukiaFae

So you have completed everything there is to do in the game? Wow I guess I must be slow since I still have stuff to do. Why would some people pay to only play a game one day a week and then complain about it?

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Completing the content =/= farming everything there is to farm in the game.

I noticed the only people not being bored to death by FFXIV are the ones who are content to repeat ad vitam eternam a tiny scrap of content in order to farm countless items (the funniest thing is most of these items become obsolete after one patch).

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Originally Posted by Scott

I don't get how people can be against more different content. Why the hate against people who want more out of the expansion

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Because if your opinion on the expansion is different than theirs you're, clearly, Satan.

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Originally Posted by RukiaFae

Why would some people pay to only play a game one day a week and then complain about it?

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Because they're hoping it'll change for the better and not be a stale bag of chips, which is what XIV already is, after over a year of the same content every single update.
Also fun fact, you don't need to be paying to post on the forums, so don't assume everyone who posts is paying.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Completing the content =/= farming everything there is to farm in the game.

I noticed the only people not being bored to death by FFXIV are the ones who are content to repeat ad vitam eternam a tiny scrap of content in order to farm countless items (the funniest thing is most of these items become obsolete after one patch).

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>_> I've also noticed the people who aren't bored or claim they have "tons of stuff to do", with how painfully easy XIV is, sound like they're either new or those same people who cause unneeded frustration because they won't listen and just cause wipe after wipe after wipe, I'm looking at you people on steps. lol Seeing as how people who do pay attention/play a game normally, have finished most of the content and got bored and then you call out the people who have "tons to do", they pull the "theres tons of achievements to get! You're not done!" Achievements =/= content. They do nothing for you. Pretty much all of them give nothing.
"But I have jobs to get to 50!" Ok? It takes a whole ~3 days to get a job to 50, a week if you only play 5 hours a day.

I 100% know what's missing: The announcement when we will get real EU servers!
It's now 7 months after announcement without any news :(

I guess they might reveal a thing or two at E3 and during the Live Letters but it'll be only a bit at a time until release.

What it's missing is originality. I mean, sure, more story, more levels, more dungeons, more everything - but at the core? Dragons and derpgoons = MEH.

[QUOTE=Obysuca;2897511]Because they're hoping it'll change for the better and not be a stale bag of chips, which is what XIV already is, after over a year of the same content every single update.
Also fun fact, you don't need to be paying to post on the forums, so don't assume everyone who posts is paying.


I know but you have to pay in order to long in to do the weekly and then log back out , which is what the poster said. Everyone has different playing styles. Some people are not bored, still have a lot to do, and enjoy the social aspect. I understand wanted to see different things added to the game. Everyone does. People can complain about being bored and not interested. I just don't understand why pay for something you don't like/bored with. No one forces them to pay every month.

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Originally Posted by Scott

Fates come and go and bear no consequences when you loose. Everything stays the same.

And yes right. Its not FFXI..... looking at the Expansion and its content its WoW

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Yeah except Heavensward gives us more playable classes than five wow expansions.

And more playable races than all FFXI expansions so far.

We get a new frontline area with new rules, additions to the loot system, the duty finder, the crafting and the gathering, we get flying mounts, we get several new ways to costumize our FC house, we get the opportunity to go on expeditions to otherwise unreachable areas with the fc airship.

And this is just 3.0. The patch content will bring even more stuff.

I'm not sure what more you want.

a FFXI campaign system could be amazing in the new expansion , players vs dragonkin :D i enjoyed it a lot , traveling to every other zone and fight invasions was enjoyable , add bosses that were hard , it was a zergfest? yes but still fun! and the server worked to keep zones safe and whatnot

Obviously there is more for them to tell us. This was only the first info dump we really got on the expansion. Clearly we don't know everything yet. It would be silly to think we did.

Not to mention they have only told us 7 or the 9 new areas. So they are leaving some stuff out...maybe Sharlayan and Ala'mhigo? Which could easily be translated into some big scale type thing for this expansion. We just don't know yet. Not to mention they have mentioned nothing on besides the fact there will be 8 new dungeons (not raids). And they also hinted that Bismark would be a unique battle (he is freakin' huge and flies...might be some hints there).

What I feel is going to make this expansion stand out from the 2.0 is the challenges which they are going to throw at us. I feel that they are really going to mix it up, mechanic-wise; which honestly is all this expansion needs to do.

I was thinking the same thing. The expansion seems lackluster so far. Just new jobs, new primals, new dungeons, and new zones, and a level cap raise. Okay, I can use flying mounts in Ishgard. I don't consider that new type of playable content. It's simply a new form of travel. The same applies to building FC airships. I'm hoping for some reveal also. Something like Gold Saucer that does not require combat, or if it does require combat, then a new type of combat such as battling pets or something. And so far there has not been any jobs that are unique enough to be interested in. An example of a unique or interesting job would be somehting like a Blue Mage where you learn your skills from enemies.

It's practically the same as the updates we already get, except bigger. It seems like it will still be the same ol' same ol'. I'm still getting it, but I feel like I'll be bored quick. How are they going to do the new legendary weapons? More fates, dungeons, mobs, and leves until you vomit?

The expansion just does not have any enticing reason to play that content unless you play for the story, which I'm not. Normally I love FF stories, but this game overdoes it on how much dialogue there is to read, plus lack of interesting content, that it bores me spending 20 minutes reading a story part, then over 30 waiting on a queue to pop with no solo content to do while you wait. The only enticing content that has ever been released for this game is the Gold Saucer and Triple Triad. In an example of enticing, Maplestory has these cards you collect from mobs in each area. Once you get them all in a specific area, it gives you some kind of permanent stat boost. There is nothing repetitive about it as instead of doing the same thing over and over to reach your goal, you are always doing something different. Collecting them is fun as the drop rate is just right as they don't force an insane grind that is beyond reason. You can also choose one to equip for said stat boost.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Yeah except Heavensward gives us more playable classes than five wow expansions.

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Let's be fair here. Each WoW class has three distinct ways to play, each of which plays practically nothing like the other. FFXIV is giving us three new classes with only one way to play each class. If you want to get into it, Death Knight and Monk could each be considered three classes, as they had three unique specializations and ways to play.

I'm not saying FFXIV's way is bad, but I am saying that you get a lot more content per class on WoW than you do here.

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Originally Posted by Zaft

Let's be fair here. Each WoW class has three distinct ways to play, each of which plays practically nothing like the other. FFXIV is giving us three new classes with only one way to play each class. If you want to get into it, Death Knight and Monk could each be considered three classes, as they had three unique specializations and ways to play.

I'm not saying FFXIV's way is bad, but I am saying that you get a lot more content per class on WoW than you do here.

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Not to mention far less abilities

There's a big problem with doing server-level events like this.
PEOPLE WILL JUST ZERG IT.

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Originally Posted by Scott

Its not FFXI

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OP saved me the trouble in his own thread.

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

There's a big problem with doing server-level events like this.
PEOPLE WILL JUST ZERG IT.

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Not if the mechanics were such that a 'zerg' is impossible. If something can be zerged, it's the fault of the developer, not the players, as it's down to them to design a fight which is more than just a big monster with a lot of HP.

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

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Originally Posted by Scott

Its not FFXI.

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OP saved me the trouble in his own thread.

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FFXI has lasted for over 10 years because there was always something more to be done. It had oodles of content, a wide variety of skills per player and new and interesting ways to play each class which didn't involve being rooted to DPS, Heal, or Tank. Do tell me why being a little more like FFXI would be a bad thing?

It wouldn't be a bad thing. But people still think beeing WoW is better =D

OP - Nope, you're not the only one! I am hoping they announce some new systems and stuff, not just 2.0 with dragons ; ; We need something like Besieged, Salvage, etc...something besides the same dungeons, tomes and end game raids.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

We need something like Besieged, Salvage, etc...something besides the same dungeons, tomes and end game raids.

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Besieged might be covered by the new "Large scale" Fates. I'm expecting them to be a combination of the Odin/Behemoth FATEs and the Attack on Highbridge/The Hive FATE chains.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Besieged might be covered by the new "Large scale" Fates. I'm expecting them to be a combination of the Odin/Behemoth FATEs and the Attack on Highbridge/The Hive FATE chains.

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Large Scale Fates? Do you have more info about it?

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

Large Scale Fates? Do you have more info about it?

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Outside of the term itself and the fact that they were listed separately on the same slide as High-level Levequests, High-level FATEs, New field enemies and New elite marks, I only have supposition.

I am still hopeful for zone wide Airship battles in some form.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Besieged might be covered by the new "Large scale" Fates. I'm expecting them to be a combination of the Odin/Behemoth FATEs and the Attack on Highbridge/The Hive FATE chains.

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That would be interesting! The only issue that may have is that those FATE's can turn into zerg fests...often requiring little to no strategy. ; ; Maybe they are going to change things up though to alleviate that. :)

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Originally Posted by Iromi

That would be interesting! The only issue that may have is that those FATE's can turn into zerg fests...often requiring little to no strategy. ; ; Maybe they are going to change things up though to alleviate that. :)

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If the fate had multiple goals at the same time it would be possible. Lets say there would be fate which would ask you to fight off some attackers, repair something and gather something at the same time, the players would have to divide into 3 teams to make it in time and would have to communicate a bit. It would reduce the zerg aspect but it could produce lots of hate etc..
Now when we have a fate which asks you to attack something and collect something, it always drops from attackers. So there are no true multiplegoal fates.

Well, 2.55 had us start in Ishgard and end in Ul'Dah which I didn't expect that. I expected Ul'Dah first and then Ishgard stuff. My guess is we're going to have a handful of quests in Ishgard obviously, then we'll go over to Dravania and do our thing over there, then we'll travel skywards into Sea of Clouds and I'm pretty confident Churning Mist IS the Level 60 zone. Time will tell.

Can we please see more Job skills?
New skills for pre-existing class/jobs?
Au'ra lore soon?
New dungeons?
Alexander?
I hope it's soon so we can get more hype out of this long ass wait lol.

I want to know more about Dravania and its geography.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

Au'ra lore soon?

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Au Ra lore is already up on the Heavensward website.

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Originally Posted by BHGlobbd

Au Ra lore is already up on the Heavensward website.

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only a small tidbit, we still need need more :3

What? I hated Besiege after awhile in XI. It was a big lag fest and we would always lose the Warp Taru and have to use his brother. Tho this game isn't XI, it still has some of its elements here and there. Why does everyone want to know everything? Going in blind is part of the fun. I don't need stupidity on day one with people saying, "Oh where's your X and do you have Y or did you do Z?" I know all that I need to know. Lore is whatever, since I completely discarded it for this game. It's more fun going in and learning about things than it is to being told about it.

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Originally Posted by Nikita

Of course we're missing some big reveal, if it wasn't clear by now, they love to introduce 1 or 2 new things at every PR event and spend the rest of the time discussing things they've already announced! Maybe next event?

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When is the next event?

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

When is the next event?

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Pretty sure it's 4/25

Calling it now, classes probably going bye bye. (I can hope right?)

Sub jobs here we go!

Okay maybe not... Classes probably too tied into lore yadda yadda... Le Sigh

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

Pretty sure it's 4/25

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There is an event on the 25th, but they aren't planning to release any new info, at least from the announcement on the (Japanese) Lodestone. They may announce something, as a "surprise," but I don't think it will be much (besides the benchmark).

Next Live Letter is scheduled for some time in May, and will supposedly include the Q&A they didn't do in the last one, but they'll probably just take a sampling of appropriate questions from the Q&A threads and use them to frame the info they were already planning to release. Again.

Why do we need ever last bit of information about an expansion/game/movie/etc revealed before we play/watch it again? Seems like it kills the goddamn point...