Community Effort: NIN and Mudra System

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Originally Posted by Haibel

The easiest way to fix the mudra lag is to get rid of them all together. Just give us the end skills tied to them and add the mudra animations to the skills to balance out time gained. I love playing nin, and don't usually have the lag issues, but it's a huge pain in the ass when it shows up. The whole little meta game of mudra input just seems unnecessary to me.

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yeah , i suggested this already , i find it fun but frustrating when things go wrong, its infuriating missing a huton refresh just because the game think u did it wrong ...

maybe adding a casting time (able to move while casting) , 1,5s casting time ? (add hands animations here)

i enjoy ninja (was my fav job in FFXI ) but the mudra lag kills the job for me :( , and im afraid that SE is unable to fix it , this game has some issues with how skills work (ask any paladin on the brink of death that pressed HG and still died.....) or how the server syncs the enemies skills (see : titan lagslide ftl , or how u can go throw any aoe before animation is done , kaliya nerve gas for example )

I personally wouldn't want to see the Mudras disappear but the intermittent lag issue associated with trying to pull of a Mudra can be annoying.

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I really do not see the problem. Even if it takes 2.5-3 seconds to activate a three mudra combo, what is the problem? Ninja does far more than enough damage to complete any of the current content. So what if you waste a second here or there when you are still doing comparable damage to all the other DDs in the game? Hell, you can even mitigate some of that wasted time by using Ninjutsu when you are dodging AOEs. I play Ninja just fine and I don't have WTFast. Stop being drama queens.

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A second here or there? Try completely botching some of your ninjutsu casts simply because one of your mudras doesn't register even though you see the animation happen, and see if you're still singing the same tune.

When it happens on Huton, it is not just a difference of a second or two, that is a serious drop in DPS.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

I really do not see the problem. Even if it takes 2.5-3 seconds to activate a three mudra combo, what is the problem? Ninja does far more than enough damage to complete any of the current content. So what if you waste a second here or there when you are still doing comparable damage to all the other DDs in the game? Hell, you can even mitigate some of that wasted time by using Ninjutsu when you are dodging AOEs. I play Ninja just fine and I don't have WTFast. Stop being drama queens.

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That is like saying you just bought a car fully under warranty that has 400 horsepower, but due to computer limitations that kick in sometimes (out of your control) you are limited to only 300 of that horsepower. You take it in to get it serviced and they tell you that, that is just what the car does, suck it up. It does not matter whether or not it makes or breaks NIN, it is an irksome problem and a lot of NIN want the issue fixed. Same can be related to the car, 300 horsepower is plenty for the average driver, but you were told it has 400, and you want that other 100 back.

Not sure why SE would need to worry about policing Mudras if they were client side.
If they were working as intended there would be no reason to Hack in a 1-Click Mudra as it's not a complicated action and falls well under the GCD even with a 3 step Ninjitsu.

Even if someone did do such a thing, I'm sure it would be a much smaller performance difference than JP vs the rest of the world for mudra delay.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Not sure why SE would need to worry about policing Mudras if they were client side.
If they were working as intended there would be no reason to Hack in a 1-Click Mudra as it's not a complicated action and falls well under the GCD even with a 3 step Ninjitsu.

Even if someone did do such a thing, I'm sure it would be a much smaller performance difference than JP vs the rest of the world for mudra delay.

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Even if they did set up instant mudra macro's, you still have to wait for the GCD, so its not like it would cause that many issues.

I have heard that JP players have no problems with the mudras? Does anyone know if it's true?

I support this too, a bit heart broken about my nin xc I'd probably consider maining the class but this just ruins it for me.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

I really do not see the problem. Even if it takes 2.5-3 seconds to activate a three mudra combo, what is the problem? Ninja does far more than enough damage to complete any of the current content..

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I'm guessing u don't main dps and use a tank with full fending accs. No dps could play nin happily if he knew that every now and then he'd lose 1 second dps time because mudras suck. Many many dps players will want to do as much damage as they possibly can and having something which is out of their control hinder that is not acceptable. simply "completing content" is done by many players a long time ago, pushing dps to the next level is the fun of endgame for most players. Heck I don't even care what bahamut drops anymore, just doing it for the fun of a parse now.

I can see se just ignoring this " it's not broke for the JP players so shut up pls" as usual.....might aswell forget the nin class I'm afraid.

Nin is ffxivs 1st ping dependant class, and I truly hope this trend does not continue. Why have all the datacentres in the same place and release a class that sux if u live far away?

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Why have all the datacentres in the same place and release a class that sux if u live far away?

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Its their emulation if "Ninja Blood Lines" >:U!!

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Why have all the datacentres in the same place and release a class that sux if u live far away?

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Would be wonders if SE let people test run these jobs outside of Japan before it got released under various connections.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Would be wonders if SE let people test run these jobs outside of Japan before it got released under various connections.

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Are you implying there are countries geographically larger than Japan?

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Are you implying there are countries geographically larger than Japan?

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According to SE's sources, no...there isn't.

I didn't read all the posts in this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned, but I don't understand if I'm doing it wrong and making my mudra combos work without fail by waiting patiently between mudra casts or what, but when I play nin I will cast a mudra, wait until the next mudra is off CD, cast my next mudra, wait for CD, cast my next mudra, wait for cool down and then execute whatever skill it may be whether it be Doton, Huton, etc. and I rarely ever have any bunnies. Am I just getting lucky, or am I doing it wrong?

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Originally Posted by MugenMugetsu

I didn't read all the posts in this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned, but I don't understand if I'm doing it wrong and making my mudra combos work without fail by waiting patiently between mudra casts or what, but when I play nin I will cast a mudra, wait until the next mudra is off CD, cast my next mudra, wait for CD, cast my next mudra, wait for cool down and then execute whatever skill it may be whether it be Doton, Huton, etc. and I rarely ever have any bunnies. Am I just getting lucky, or am I doing it wrong?

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Everyone is trying to get a ninjutsu off between a GCD, if you wait then you miss an attack. Additionally, having to wait means Huton duration is running, so if you wait too long then you will run out of Huton while waiting for next ninjutsu CD. With Kassatsu, that will definitely happen so you have a choice between losing additional attacks and Huton, or bunny. Either way is the same.

Really!! It doesn't happen a lot but when it does its annoying. Like when I cast Ration, I see shuriken go off but then I have to hit my 2nd mudra again and then ninjitsu for Ration to actually go off sucks.

I play on the west coast of the us and my ping never is below 1k with the best inet connection I can get where I live. Sometimes I even hit 0 server or 0 receive constantly during the day. Which really really sucks. I play on PS3. So can't wait till I can afford a ps4 . But yah the lag makes my mudras suck alot but it doesn't make me wanna quit playing ninja. Don't understand you guys. I even got my ninja its zeta weapon.

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

I play on the west coast of the us and my ping never is below 1k with the best inet connection I can get where I live. Sometimes I even hit 0 server or 0 receive constantly during the day. Which really really sucks. I play on PS3. So can't wait till I can afford a ps4 . But yah the lag makes my mudras suck alot but it doesn't make me wanna quit playing ninja. Don't understand you guys. I even got my ninja its zeta weapon.

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I find it incredibly difficult to believe you have 1000+ ping, how do you manage to do any content that requires quick dodging with a 1 second+ delay on everything you do?

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Originally Posted by Colorful

I find it incredibly difficult to believe you have 1000+ ping, how do you manage to do any content that requires quick dodging with a 1 second+ delay on everything you do?

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is called resurrection :3 ,but 1k ping and playing nin :rolleyes: , u are like losing 100 dps if not more just because that

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Originally Posted by MugenMugetsu

I didn't read all the posts in this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned, but I don't understand if I'm doing it wrong and making my mudra combos work without fail by waiting patiently between mudra casts or what, but when I play nin I will cast a mudra, wait until the next mudra is off CD, cast my next mudra, wait for CD, cast my next mudra, wait for cool down and then execute whatever skill it may be whether it be Doton, Huton, etc. and I rarely ever have any bunnies. Am I just getting lucky, or am I doing it wrong?

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The problem is, we should not have to wait patiently. By design, they want us to be able to use the mudras every .5 seconds, but this is not the case. As an end game raider, it is very annoying to have to momentarily pause (every NIN knows "that" pause) and wait for the game to catch up with your actions. I am not here to bash SE, I am not here to complain about the games design. I love this game and I love NIN which is why I keep bringing this topic up, because it is such a shame to let such a fun class have such an obnoxious flaw.