Do you find Dungeons fun?

Not after the first time.

Enemy placement is 100% meta and it hurts to see them clumped together in a large open space before you pull'em. I feel they're all there just to extent the clear time not at all to make the "dungeon" challenging.

The areas themselves are hit and miss. I prefer my world spaces to have a purpose prior to why I'm there for it to be believable. Not hallways and large arena rooms where the SOLE purpose of them existing is for a boss fight. I TOTALLY believe this big monster spent it's whole life prior to this fight waiting in that big open room for years on end. I want to BELIEVE the world my character is currently in and be IMMERSED into the game.

Is there any lore to why Haukke Manor looked like Allagans lived in it? Why are the rooms and doors so tall when the props inside them are for normal sized people?

Dungeons aren't fun to me.
They have super easy bosses, irrelevant loot, and the newer ones after Bray HM are all gated to prevent large pulls.

Pros:
-Cool designs.
-Boss fights are fun.
-Tests of skill outside of battle technique.
-Neat prizes.

Cons:
-Trash.
-Boring trash.
-People too eager to assume speed runs.
-People.

The dungeons are really fun. However, people wanting to force speed runs down our throats are not. At all.

Dungeons are fun maybe the first 4-5 times running them for me but then after that it becomes more mindless grind. I'm not a relic grinder (I think that would make me want to stab things) but the boredom is applicable even from just logging on once a day to do an expert roulette and cap poetics IMO. Personally I hate trash mobs and they just take time and make the dungeon seem longer than it needs to. There are a few things I think could make dungeons more fun though...

For one, I think I'd enjoy a dungeon where you have to run through 6 or 7 more difficult boss fights rather than running through trash and a few mini bosses to get to a main boss. I think it would be fun to have a 4 man dungeon that had the feel of "DPS check" part of Amdapor HM where mobs keep spawning and you have to kill them all in a set amount of time. Maybe without the timer aspect... but replace trash mobs with mini bosses appearing one after another with no break such that you have to play efficiently as a healer and manage TP as a DPS. I guess in the end it would feel kind of like BCoB turn 4 from back in the day but at a lesser difficulty level such that it met the requirements of being casual dungeon content.

Another idea... replace the boring trash with puzzles that you have to solve as a party. Think (OMG CURSE ME FOR BRINGING THIS GAME UP) FFXI with the Nyzul Isle assaults and having to press switches either in order or at the same time. I also like the idea that floors in Nyzul had different objectives which adds a bit of randomized fun to the dungeon. It would be fun to bring some cooperative puzzle solving as well as goal randomization into FFXIV repeatable content rather than the CHARGE THROUGH THE EXACT SAME PATH, KILL TRASH, KILL BOSS, GIT TOMESTONES, AND PROFIT that exists right now.

I love them. Would rather do them than fates. The exp seems much faster if you dont count the que times.

They're fun the first time. Sometimes they're fun to speedrun. Don't like doing the same dungeons daily, though.

The 4 man ones? Not really. They are basically devoid of challenge so it's more like a chore. They're fun the first time though.

Fun only the first few times. After that, just a hassle to get out with your tomes.

I like dungeons; especially if I havent been in that dungeons for a LONG time (I'm looking at you tam tara HM)

Having multiple jobs help alleviate the repetitiveness of it

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I love the dungeons... I just wish they weren't so LONG. 45 minutes is almost an hour per dungeon/trial, etc. An hour out of your life. :eek:

Seems like they really toned down the difficulty and design of the dungeons since the game came out, something I'm not too thrilled about.

Notice how the dungeons aren't "maze-like" with only one possible path to go. I kind of miss the old school designs like Toto-rak that splits off in 2 directions.

Also notice how all the persistently "difficult" dungeons (hard to DF with ease) are pre-50. Everyone cries about Aurum Vale while working on their relic!

Some 50s dungeons were hard when they first came out too. Remember Pharos Sirius before all those nerfs? I even remember struggling on Copperbell Mines (Hard) when it first came out, but that also received a bunch of nerfs.

You can now just overgear for the Level 50 dungeons also. At least I think this issue could be fixed easily if they add stricter ilvl syncs to them (example: cap Wanderer's Palace at i90).

The release of CT2 was an eye opener for me about the direction the game was heading. I was shocked at how simple it was, that I was able to go in blind and come out with gear, tomes, and a bunch of gil so quickly and easily. Especially since I struggled through a ton of CT1 back in the day in the DF... It was hard work but it felt like a good accomplishment getting through it.

Nowadays we just blow through CT3 without a thought, there is no sense of accomplishment for beating it or even clearing it for the first time. That place is so dark and dreary and the music is like a lullaby... I feel like falling asleep through it every time.

I wish they could find some balance in dungeon difficulty. Something harder than what we have now, but easier than Bahamut Coils. I think they were fine in the 2.1 era of dungeons... seems like everything after that has been too easy.

When you progress in any game, it's not unreasonable to expect that the further you go, the more difficult content you will face. It seems like that is not the case here. Something is not right when "Sunken Temple of Qarn (Hard)" is easier than "Sunken Temple of Qarn".

To be honest, I do like the boss fights and background music, but almost all the dungeons are one big corridor with boss fights inbetween. I wish we had traps, puzzels big explorable dungeons like the single player FF games have. I miss the adventure, it always feels like I need to rush to the end so I get my Sol/Poet from the final boss.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

To be honest, I do like the boss fights and background music, but almost all the dungeons are one big corridor with boss fights inbetween. I wish we had traps, puzzels big explorable dungeons like the single player FF games have. I miss the adventure, it always feels like I need to rush to the end so I get my Sol/Poet from the final boss.

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ffx trails?? they could be implemented when solo dungeons come perhaps XD

I do find them enjoyable, even after 100+ times.

I have more fun running them for some reason as a lower character. Feels more challenging and awesome.

I still like dungeons at 50, just more at a lower level.
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I'm weird.

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

I have more fun running them for some reason as a lower character.

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This.
End-game dungeons are not as fun because you're overleved and everyones trying to "race to the finish"
Did Bray as WHM struggled a little. XD It was annoying but fun.

If the dungeons rewarded the players with anything decent, I think I wouldn't mind going back into them to farm them. If they must gate speedrunners, then make said gates interesting outside of "Kill X amount of enemies... in which you usually would have to kill otherwise")

I'd like dungeons more if they weren't so faceroll easy. I really, really want them to give us challenging 4 player content. I absolutely loathe how anything remotely challenging is restricted to 8 player groups where most of the challenge comes from the fact that you can't beat it if you end up with crappy teammates due to instant kill mechanics.

Dungeons are okay I'd say but they mostly feel like fillers, irrelevant to the main plot with very forgettable bosses(with a few exceptions) which is a shame really. Also... After doing them 100 times, I usually end up hating them with a passion.

The earlier dungeons are okay. They have some unique qualities to their design and even though they are all easy they aren't terribly boring other than Tam Tara and Toto-Rak

Every dungeon released since Brayflox HM is complete trash. The devs are so paralyzed with fear that players might commit the great sin of *gasp* speed running, so every dungeon is now a hallway with 3-6 mobs between locked doors. Very boring, very lazy design. I don't even look forward to new dungeons anymore, they are all guaranteed to be anti-speed run hallways with 0 difficulty and only drop glamour gear.

If Expert Roulette didn't exist I would have no reason to ever do any dungeon. I wish there were difficult content outside of coil. I would love some challenging 4 man content.

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Originally Posted by Tickmeoff

The earlier dungeons are okay. They have some unique qualities to their design and even though they are all easy they aren't terribly boring other than Tam Tara and Toto-Rak

Every dungeon released since Brayflox HM is complete trash. The devs are so paralyzed with fear that players might commit the great sin of *gasp* speed running, so every dungeon is now a hallway with 3-6 mobs between locked doors. Very boring, very lazy design. I don't even look forward to new dungeons anymore, they are all guaranteed to be anti-speed run hallways with 0 difficulty and only drop glamour gear.

If Expert Roulette didn't exist I would have no reason to ever do any dungeon. I wish there were difficult content outside of coil. I would love some challenging 4 man content.

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My thought exactly. I posted this in another thread and I'll support anyone who say the same!

Well said!

Not really. Aside from the second boss in Wanderer's Palace HM, every boss has been the same with nothing new per patch. It would be nice if bosses gained new attacks depending on the parties average ilvl, or did something slightly different on every run.

Yes... Especially with my FC mates.

I actually kinda do like them. I prefer to run with friends, since the one issue I have with dungeons are those times when you get pothelms, as my FC tends to call them. (Based off a bard in T1 last spring who claimed we were all noobs and he was so awesome and had a level 90 character -- I assume i90 -- but had no idea how to use Blunt Arrow or what his task was... and probably barely covered the ilvl requirement. But it was because of us 'noobs' that we wiped to the ADS. His i55 Mercenary Pot Helm was... memorable, for some reason.)

Friends tend to tell me I'm crazy because I even enjoy Dzemael Darkhold and Aurum Vale, though the latter I only really like as a tank ^^; Of course, I'm not at the Zodiac drop stage with my relic yet, so... it's possible that might change.

Not sure why I like them, I just... do. Partly due to the exploration of them, I guess. I never really appreciated Sastasha (the first dungeon) until I ran it with three friends and we spent almost the entire time in there, just exploring and investigating every nook and cranny ^^; I think we had about ten to fifteen minutes left on the timer when we got to the last boss. But it was the most fun dungeon run ever.

I find them a means to an end but not fun at all.

For the most part yes I enjoy them!

The possibility of good personalities I get matched with helps me enjoy them far more then any mechanics could. I would get just as sick running a difficult , over drawn out dungeon 200x as much as an easy, fast one 200x. repetition is repetition no matter how you try to disguise it.

Any content, repeated excessively, lessens the enjoyment. (I wouldn't enjoy countless hours of GS mini-games....or months of straight crafting...anything that's too repetitive to me, becomes very mind numbing. Granted the developers are only human, they can only develop and add in so much at a time and I think they are doing quite well even though they seem fixated on primals, will be good when they run out of those.

I always liked besieged and campaign when it was relevant in ffxi, more variety of outdoor content would be a good thing, with relevant and equal rewards, allowing for solo, small group and premade raid group participation to achieve an end goal. I know fates exist ..but I liked the scale of ffxi events, content would need decent rewards to self sustain it.

Granted ffxiv is still young imo, I do think a lot more variety will be added as time goes on just as it has in ffxi over its many years, SE can indeed be very creative, but they don't rush anything :)