Beseechings of a long time healer

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Originally Posted by Sounders

Not really, to be honest. The skill of dodging AOE is needed as early as Haukke Manor. If you can't dodge, you get the fear debuff. This can cause a wipe if tanks and dps can't dodge, but of course can be saved by an awesome healer.

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This in turn is why Titan (Story) is a wakeup call that wrecks a lot of new players. Get Landslided? Congrats, you are out of the fight. The healer can't heal that. It's a wake up call to a lot of healers too, because they can't just heal the damage to themselves either. You're forced to acknowledge that you screwed up.

But you can still get pulled through it. I've literally cleared Titan Story as tank with just the healer and me alive before. And it almost made me want to throw the fight at the end because those DPS needed to learn, not simply progress - they needed the roadblock.

It's a little cruel and I can recognise the potential for frustration, but I feel almost more like that's what XIV needs to have - more actually unprogressable moments where players have to pass basic checks in order to progress. Not stumble through until they get carried through. Some of the story quests used to do this... until echo was implemented. Guildhests have never been good teachers nor are they touched by the majority of players who would need them. You know?

You can stumble through the game getting carried pretty hard. Then you hit 50, and there are people who could almost literally solo dungeons due to overgearing at this point, and you get carried harder. And then you hit i100+ and you're like "oh yeah there's nothing stopping me from beating Twintania/EX Primals"... except yourself. And in those fights, where your failure actually can impact the performance of others? ...Yeah. These days, closest thing to a hard roadblock in the game up until then is Garuda (Story) - and even then a skilled and determined WHM can carry a team through that fight despite their best efforts. Look at the hilarious trainwrecks that are the current HM primals, Praetorium, etc., that were once supposed to be tests and challenges to players.

I'll be first to admit carrying tons of players through the old roadblocks like Titan or Garuda NM. Heck, I've carried with only a DPS and myself as SCH alive against Garuda after the rest of the party died by the time the first AOE after Garuda knocks down the rocks. Not like I could do much about that, since they've already been rezzed before, so they were one-shotted >_>

Though, even the HM primals can be easily carried now. You wouldn't believe how many times I've done Titan HM where everyone but the MT, myself, and maybe a DPS survived 10 seconds after the heart. That's one place I don't rez more than once. Ever. Makes me hope that a lot of the dead were grumbling that they were forced to wait 10 minutes for us to kill him, without me ever even trying to rez anyone XD

To be honest though, I wonder if putting the road blocks in the story itself is the right thing to do. I might be too soft in saying that the main story is something that shouldn't require any real skill to experience, since this is a FF, not Dark Souls or something. The basic roadblocks should be left in the secondary content that most people should normally be repeating, like the Expert Roulette dungeons. Since SE doesn't put in echo there, overgearing will only take you so far until the dungeon is so old it doesn't matter anymore. Even better if you are forced to clear the last set of dungeons before unlocking the latest or something.

As a dps i agree, my worst nightmare is attacks like weight of land in Titan fights, i usually get hit 1/3 by it & thats because lag or framerate drop. People not stacking makes it only worse. Still i beat TEX with practice & remembering patterns. Dps should have learning goals like. "Clear AV for 10 times before you can progress further." or actually i think all new players to something new should have that.