Midgardsormr Clarification? (Spoilers)

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Originally Posted by firstsin

Oh and I wish Minfilia would die. Such a useless character.

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Hey don't go talking about my waifu like that. Lol

Minfilia isn't useless but is more a plot point. Her and the MC/WoL are the only loving Echo users now. Watch her become important in 3.0 when we go kick Lahabrea and Elidibus out of Ishgaurd.

Any way. I think freeing us from Hydalyn's blessing was a blessing in disguise its self. The sooner we rely on our own power the less we'll be screwed when her power runs out. She's just badly got enough to keep her self alive as is.

Iceheart has the echo too. And it's theorized that the two new scions in the rising stones (can't remember their nanes; the roe and elezen) also have it

Speaking of muffinella; I wonder if they plan on somehow making her a vessel of Hydeline? Afterall, Hydeline is typically represented as a pale blonde chick that people are compelled to protect just look at the Dissidia.

She seems to have always had a stronger connection with Hydaelyn even before she founded the scions. I think in 1.0 she had a degree of importance due to the echo + her father being a garlean spy.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Speaking of muffinella; I wonder if they plan on somehow making her a vessel of Hydeline? Afterall, Hydeline is typically represented as a pale blonde chick that people are compelled to protect just look at the Dissidia.

She seems to have always had a stronger connection with Hydaelyn even before she founded the scions. I think in 1.0 she had a degree of importance due to the echo + her father being a garlean spy.

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Well the cos did absolutely nothing, even got captured twice at severe cost to more interesting characters in the game. She hasn't contributed a single thing to the group, she'd tell others to find things out and then these people will explain everything.

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Originally Posted by firstsin

Well the cos did absolutely nothing, even got captured twice at severe cost to more interesting characters in the game. She hasn't contributed a single thing to the group, she'd tell others to find things out and then these people will explain everything.

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She holds a management role. Never underestimate the value of good management.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Iceheart has the echo too. And it's theorized that the two new scions in the rising stones (can't remember their nanes; the roe and elezen) also have it

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Moenbryda definitely did NOT have the echo, if that's who you're talking about. It was very obvious during the cutscenes that she couldn't understand the Ascian.

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Originally Posted by RickiFake02

Moenbryda definitely did NOT have the echo, if that's who you're talking about. It was very obvious during the cutscenes that she couldn't understand the Ascian.

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She was talking about Hoary Boulder and Coultenet

Really? I thought they were just high ranking adventurers that joined the scions. I don't remember any mentions of them having echo.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Really? I thought they were just high ranking adventurers that joined the scions. I don't remember any mentions of them having echo.

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Don't forget the entire reason why you joined the scions in the first place; you have the echo. It's not a stretch of any sorts that other scions (besides the archons, bookkeeper, the domans [if they are really scions], and one or two other special npcs like minfilias mother) have the echo, even if it's very weak

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Don't forget the entire reason why you joined the scions in the first place; you have the echo.

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This is a much more reliable assumption when talking of those were grandfathered in from the Path of the Twelve. The Scions accept all sorts, though they went out of their way to recruit Hydaelyn's champion due to their possession of the echo among other admirable traits. If I remember correctly, Hoary Boulder says when he's introduced that he's a largely unproven adventurer who joined because he was inspired by the tales of the Hero of Eorzea and wanted to do his part.

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Originally Posted by RickiFake02

Moenbryda definitely did NOT have the echo, if that's who you're talking about. It was very obvious during the cutscenes that she couldn't understand the Ascian.

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Which isn't foolproof, as we know Minfillia has the echo but was (before 2.5) unable to understand Ascian speech.

She could understand Elidibus.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

She could understand Elidibus.

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Minfilia understood Elidibus but was attacked for pulling a weapon (Which was aparently taboo/illigal since he was an Envoy aka Messanger. "Don't shoot the messenger bro") How ever Tataru who dosn't have the Echo couldn't even see Elidibus let alone hear him. So there has to be a reason some can see them and others can't in addition to The Echo giving us the power of Omni-Linguistics.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

Minfilia understood Elidibus but was attacked for pulling a weapon (Which was aparently taboo/illigal since he was an Envoy aka Messanger. "Don't shoot the messenger bro") How ever Tataru who dosn't have the Echo couldn't even see Elidibus let alone hear him. So there has to be a reason some can see them and others can't in addition to The Echo giving us the power of Omni-Linguistics.

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But, she didm't understand Elidibus. She stood there staring at him and I think he even commented on how she couldn't

And the Echo varies in what powers it gives people; not everyone has the same echo-abilities. Also, the Archon-scions can see the Ascians...but do not have the Echo

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Originally Posted by PArcher

But, she didm't understand Elidibus. She stood there staring at him and I think he even commented on how she couldn't

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I don't think it was real clear on weather she failed to understand his intention (She did pull a knife on him after all) or weather, like Moenbryda, she ligitly had no idea what he was saying (But Moenbryda didn't like the way Nebralius said it that's for sure)

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

I don't think it was real clear on weather she failed to understand his intention (She did pull a knife on him after all) or weather, like Moenbryda, she ligitly had no idea what he was saying (But Moenbryda didn't like the way Nebralius said it that's for sure)

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Minfillia doesn't show any understanding of Elidibus until after he switches away from the Ascian language.