Gender Locked Clothes

I'd support it. I think it is stupid that females get two entire floors of clothing in most department stores while the men get one dark corner behind shoes. But hey, let's let the women wear anything from that section too! Either open up everything in the game to every gender or lock all male clothing to gender. Hell most of the end game tank gear is comprised of a shirt or dress anyway, no reason to say we can't wear others. It is an inequality, plain and simple. Why do the genders not have statistical differences regardless of whether they make sense? Because it is not fun to the game. So I don't care if it makes sense, make the gender system equal in either direction.

I also support this. The one thing I wish I could wear is Snow's coat from the Lightning event. But sadly, its male only.

The amount of ignorance and bigotry flying around is unsurprising, and yet still so disappointing. 100% behind this as well. I think it'd be great for anyone to be able to wear anything they want!

Males seem to be held to a different expectation opposed to women(who can literally wear anything a guy would wear, and nearly no one will bat an eyelash). But there seems to be a bit of eye rolling, backlash, or disturbance when a guy tries to cross dress in the same manner. Admittedly, I'm guilty of this at times, but clothes are clothes, yeah? A skirt can show off a guy's rear end or gloriously glistening leg muscles as much as any girl I suppose. Honestly, I'm of the opinion that gender locked stuff should be removed as well. So yes, I agree 100%. After seeing what they did with the groom related clothes, it does feel a bit unfair to not let men be pretty bridesmaids.

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Originally Posted by Autumnfire

I also support this. The one thing I wish I could wear is Snow's coat from the Lightning event. But sadly, its male only.

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I hadn't even thought about that coat... I'd kill to have that on my female characters.

There are plenty of dresses I wish I could wear honestly. I really don't see why it needs to be locked.

In the words of Gilgamesh: "It's time we fight like men! And women! And women who dress like men!"

I have seen people give the reason along the lines of "small development team, lot of work, only a small % of the population want this."

I understand that having all clothes wearable by both genders requires work, but I think that work would be worth while. I do not think it is a small % of the population that support this idea. I am not the design team, and I cannot determine if the amount of work involved is worth it. But I am a member of the community that would like to see this change, and am expressing that. The more people who express their desire for removing gender locked clothes from the game, the more likely the development team will decide the work involved is worth it.

It's unfair in some cases where females are limited to fluffy girly attire. For example, yukatas. I have a Highlander Hyur female rp character that hates girly fluffy things, and the big bow on the lady's yukata ruins the look... But Lord's yukata fits her perfectly... Add a breastband and make it wearable on female, please. Another sad thing is your limited to one or the other and you miss out on rewards you might otherwise use for your other sexed retainers... So unless your a guy, your retainer can't dress as Snow. Or you can't be a matching pair if lightning and Snow

While I don't really care what gear people wear I also don't care that there is some gender locked gear.

I agree with people who say this would take a lot of development time to complete and because of that I don't support the idea. I would rather see time spent on gameplay content because there is already a significant effort put into vanity in this game, almost all of the gear in this game can be considered vanity gear at level 50 and only a small handful of that is gender locked which is fine in my opinion simply because of the ever increasing number of non-gender locked vanity gear coming to this game with every patch.

I feel like this game does a good job with gender/sexual preference and shouldn't be nitpicked over a small handful of items that aren't gender neutral. At the end of the day, I would rather they invest time into entirely new gender neutral items rather than waste time trying to upgrade old ones.

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Originally Posted by Hobbs

NO I WONT GET OVER IT I see no issue with ANY gender wearing ANY clothes.

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I'll tell you why, because a people don't wanna see guys wearing girls underwear and bra or dresses or something really girlish.
What you do in real life is your bis if that's what you do then more power to you.

Though when you force it upon others that really don't wanna see that type of thing, then you have some that think the same as you that are guy characters but why not play a female?
I can understand girls wanting to wear some of the male clothing like the lightning returns snow outfit and few other things because some of the stuff is to revealing for them on the girls side of things.

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Originally Posted by Hobbs

Why not let people do what they want.

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This is a problem, I rather the developers decided this, they made the game not the players.
The developers had a vision for this game, let them do their job, if you want an mmo that lets you do what you want, make your own, I'm paying these guys that develop this game to do their job and part of that is creative vision, I'm not paying you.

I actually hate that statement, restrictions are a good thing, it tells people when to stop.

ps you are actually making this political, all of your statements comes across as this, this is one of the reasons the restrictions should stay put, better to not bring it up, then have it on display for people to get into these silly debates, again, I rather play the game then worry about silly vanity things like this.

Ugh please no. It isn't like you can't change your gender whenever you want. Want to wear a dress? fantasias are on the mogstation.

Next up a group of nudists are going to be asking for Emperors New Panties. "DON'T TELL US HOW TO LIVE, SE!" Plz stop.

Yea just use a fantasia to change to a girl character if you want to wear female specific clothes.

Man, some of you acting like you're honsetly scared by the concept of a man in a woman's clothing. Let me out your fears to rest. No, seeing a cross dressing man does not make you gay or want to crossdress yourself. No, it does not hurt your delicate sensibilities because you see worse in the game already (so many naked roe! But a manroe in a dress is too far? Really?) Its one thing to not be keen on the idea of cross dressing. Its another to tell people it's wrong because it squicks you out a little. Grow up and act like adults who realize the world is a varied place and allowing freedom in choice of clothing is not that big of a deal.

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Originally Posted by Corfish

Man, some of you acting like you're honsetly scared by the concept of a man in a woman's clothing. Let me out your fears to rest. No, seeing a cross dressing man does not make you gay or want to crossdress yourself. No, it does not hurt your delicate sensibilities because you see worse in the game already (so many naked roe! But a manroe in a dress is too far? Really?) Its one thing to not be keen on the idea of cross dressing. Its another to tell people it's wrong because it squicks you out a little. Grow up and act like adults who realize the world is a varied place and allowing freedom in choice of clothing is not that big of a deal.

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You seem the one thats scared here, the fact that people just see this as a video game they want to play, and not a political playground, I think the stuff that can be glamoured has gone too far already. Take the politics out of the game, people here end of the day want to kill dragons one way or another.

This has nothing to do with politics -_- it's just about giving more options to people to express themselves through their characters. So long as they're not actively harassing you it shouldn't be a big deal what they wear.

Maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon, but why do all of you guys want to wear dresses? If you really wanted to look like a female so badly then why not just make a female avatar?

Unrelated to the general discussion, I was disappointed when I finished the Hildebrand quests and found the Manderville Coatee was not Hildebrand's outfit but Nashu's instead....

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Originally Posted by Cadmar

Maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon, but why do all of you guys want to wear dresses? If you really wanted to look like a female so badly then why not just make a female avatar?

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For some people its not about looking like a woman. Some people identify as men, but like the aesthetic of women's clothing, or like the aesthetic of the two together. It could be played for laughs as well. Its not that they want to be women, its that they want to wear women's clothes.

And that is all well and good but don't you think there has to be at least a little bit of consideration for the people that don't want to be surrounded by men in women's clothing? Does it directly adversely impact them? Probably not. But the all important immersion takes a hit in my opinion. Right or wrong there are societal norms that make things just seem out of place if not maintained.

If SE opened the flood gates on this I think the percentage of people that would walk around in opposite sex attire would not be a proper representation.

I don't know. I want and try to be an open minded person but it just feels like if they were to allow this to open up 100% it would bother me.

I don't mind as long as i get the option to toggle someone's glamour off as a counterpart.

It could even be done via the examine feature:
Examine player > press on equipped piece of gear > toggle glamour ON/OFF.

For me seeing men dressed as girls is just plain wrong to me i dunno how to explain it but its just wrong.
If you want to have fun playing as a Kawaii Manroe princess of rainbows, its ok you have the right to after all, but just don't force people like me to see it if we dont want to.

Both sides are happy.

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Originally Posted by Cadmar

But the all important immersion takes a hit in my opinion.

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Immersion takes a hit from guys in dresses but not from tanks in bikinis? I don't follow.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Immersion takes a hit from guys in dresses but not from tanks in bikinis? I don't follow.

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Absolutely agree. I shake my head every time I see a tank in a bikini. It's just dumb and makes no sense. Do you follow now?

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Immersion takes a hit from guys in dresses but not from tanks in bikinis? I don't follow.

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It does too, it actually bugs the hell out of me.
With the idea from my previous post, id also be able to toggle off all these bikinis, wedding dresses or "inappropriate clothing for battle" glamours away from my sight.

Once again both sides are happy.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Immersion takes a hit from guys in dresses but not from tanks in bikinis? I don't follow.

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I cannot agree with your post enough. This is the best thing I've seen all day. I totally agree.

Alright I am personally getting quite tired of people not having any creativity as what you can do with a dress/skirt.

Cause does this,

http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/...2014121222.png

http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/...2015230331.png

http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/...2015004946.png

Come off to you as feminine and crossdressing? (You can not like it, that i don't care much.)
And meanwhile I could archive this fabulous look with MALE gear already in the game.

http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/...2014221012.jpg


Your fear of opening the game to more fabulous looking player is a little too late considering it is already possible to do.


And to the players saying to use fantasia...
Are you seriously suggesting we spend 10$ every time we want to wear a certain glamour?

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Originally Posted by Cadmar

Absolutely agree. I shake my head every time I see a tank in a bikini. It's just dumb and makes no sense. Do you follow now?

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I'll repeat myself by saying that you only give the appearance of the bikini to your armor, you do not actually fight wearing a bikini.

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Originally Posted by Ymal

I'll repeat myself by saying that you only give the appearance of the bikini to your armor, you do not actually fight wearing a bikini.

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Thank you Captain Obvious. It still looks stupid and out of place.

That said.. I actually really liked your pics, especially the 3rd one. I think you have to admit that what you posted is a far cry from some dude that wants to tank in a wedding dress. And I guarantee you that would happen.

Solution: Buy fantasia. Switch to female character. Profit.

/closethread

Well I think I'm finished with this discussion, I don't think my English is good enough to explain myself well enough or that the people here are determinate to judge and insult others even when it's about a video game. butehthat'stheinternet

Anyway I'll say again, I'm all for the OP proposition and do hope SE will at least think of it. You're welcome to come laugh at me and my fabulous skirt if you see me on Ultros or in duty (y)

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Originally Posted by Cadmar

Thank you Captain Obvious. It still looks stupid and out of place.

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Well I didn't mean to sound obnoxious in the least, English isn't my first language so I apologies if that made me sound like a jerk. Just that people tend to forget about that fact. So people who don't like it can only blame SE I suppose. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Cadmar

And I guarantee you that would happen.

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And I would be the first to do this. ;]

People seem to be opposing this simply because you would not in everyday society see a man wearing a dress or girly clothing. Even barring something like the Spring Dress, would it actually be bad if a man wore a Lady's yukata or vice versa? Would something like the guardian corps top look that bad on a guy? Even the swimwear... I don't get why they're m/f locked when they could just be the same item with the separate graphics for both anyway... I mean the hempen camise is different graphics for different races and people love the Highlander Hyur look, but it's restricted... And seriously that looks rather like what guys get for swimwear anyway... So really... It's sad to see them locked...

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Immersion takes a hit from guys in dresses but not from tanks in bikinis? I don't follow.

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Tanks wearing bikinis looks rediculous. Hell, Lalafells tanking looks just as bad, but complaining about that would be just as rediculous as this. It's the devs game, leave the politics out.

I totally support more unisex clothing including geta (lord clogs) that I want.
I know SE have to same resources for other thing but cmon gender locked sandals.... really???

Also I'm still waiting for my Wedding Tux. No Tux, no my money.

Can I ask an honest question? Why would a guy want to have his male character run around in a dress? (or run around in his underpants for that matter). Is it just for childish shock value? Help me out here.

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Originally Posted by ofTheMoores

Can I ask an honest question? Why would a guy want to have his male character run around in a dress? (or run around in his underpants for that matter). Is it just for childish shock value? Help me out here.

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As I explained earlier, some men just like to wear women's clothes, and I know many female players like girly men characters as well. Its just a thing that some people enjoy. Some for shock value, some because they genuinely enjoy it. I can say that personally that I do not enjoy the aesthetic of men in effeminate clothing, but I know some people do and that's okay.

Allow roegaydn to wear lalafell cloths first

There's a few cute and elegant dresses I wish I could put on my character at times, also there are mens clothes like Snow's coat that I know some want on their characters.

Overall, it might be somewhat of a programming hassle to make all past clothes unisex, I just would like to see the ones in the future take such consideration in mind. I don't see a problem with that.

Crescent Moon Pants that we currently have now, which have ribbon on it, can wear by male. PvP top gear for SMN/SCH that looks like princess dress, can wear by male too. So...

Why do men want to wear dresses anyway... freakin wierd

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Originally Posted by ofTheMoores

Can I ask an honest question? Why would a guy want to have his male character run around in a dress? (or run around in his underpants for that matter). Is it just for childish shock value? Help me out here.

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I'm not actually a guy in real life, but I play a male character and I enjoy making him look pretty. I don't necessarily want to have him crossdress all the time, but I'd like the option, because really, compared to the wedding dress the tux is boring. It also makes little sense to gender lock some dresses to male characters, considering how many DoM bodies are functionally dresses; Vanya, Scylla's robe, White Mage Artifact gear is literally a dress with underwear, both the caster and healer i100 and i110 PvP gear look like ballgowns...so what's the point telling male characters they can wear SOME dresses, but not others?

I want to see the biggest, burliest MRoe ever made in the Gold Saucer bunny outfit.