Oh ship! Mystery Trial Revealed!

Gilgehmesh is the end the hildi quest chain not the ??? trial that at the end of the main story quest which i believe there are hint already in the game to what it might be

This isn't the mystery trial.

Shall I tell you what it is?

It's Lahabrea. I would bet its a fight against him.

Lahabrea Extreme - which is an empty coffee mug that says "World's Best Ascian" on it.

Upon entry, you win the trial.

We have the means to kill Ascians based on the trailer, so any Ascian we go up against likely isn't going to survive. Doubt it is Lahabrea based on the fact that he shows up in the trailer for part 2 as well. Likewise all the suspense of Minfilia being in danger in part 1 is lost when I see her in part 2...

Someone already pointed out that the JP Achievement could indicate that it is a fight with Nabriales, I'd hope it's a fight with Nabriales plus Cúchulainn. Was the Primal that awoke at the end of 2.0 ever actually confirmed to be Bahamut? The guard called it an abomination which a, indicates he saw it (how'd he see Bahamut when Bahamut is in Coil?) and b, abomination? Sure sounds like Cúchulainn. I recall the Ascians saying that since Bahamut is waking, the others would soon too. Other Elder Primals? Based on the Summoner questline Cúchulainn should be one and FFXII lore puts Cúchulainn and Nabriales together (though in opposition).

I'm seriously going to be disappointed if the trial is just an Ascian... That seems so dull... Throw Zodiark-Egi in at the very least... Just a generic villain who sits there going "Hahahaha! Begone!" isn't exciting...

So great how people come in this thread and don't read anything but the title. Try reading the OP, or at the very least the first sentence in the OP.

As a side note, I figured out how to change the title, so hopefully nobody else will post what we already resolved in the first freaking page of the thread.

Err.. nope, nevermind. Looks like the thread title didn't actually change. Well.. here comes more people thinking they are special snow flakes to tell me that Greg isn't the mystery trial, again.. and again, because they don't read.

Sorry, your edit was about 50mins after my post.

And yeah, telling people they can't read, when you clearly didnt read the patch notes.. welp.

ggwp.

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Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz

Sorry, your edit was about 50mins after my post.

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He edited his first post a few hours after making this thread, because people mentioned that he was wrong. You should always read the entire thread before posting to avoid repeating something that has been said before.
Also: This thread was made before the patchnotes were revealed.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

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I'm calling now for Nabriales with a Cùchulainn-egi. Evil laughing and primal mechanics inside.

Though Cùchulainn being based on statuses (poison, mute, etc) iirc, I wonder how that would make an interesting fight.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

I'm calling now for Nabriales with a Cùchulainn-egi. Evil laughing and primal mechanics inside.

Though Cùchulainn being based on statuses (poison, mute, etc) iirc, I wonder how that would make an interesting fight.

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Hahha, that would be pretty funny. XD

Well I still wonder how Nabriales is connected to Cuchulainn, maybe he'll summon him during the fight or maybe once we defeated him we can get a way to summon Cuchulainn later with the summoning system they wanted to make in the game, a crystal like the one in FFXII that appear when you defeat an esper, well it's only speculations, it's possible that the espers and the ascians aren't really related in FFXIV, we only know that Belias and Zodiark exist in this world.

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Originally Posted by lololink

Well I still wonder how Nabriales is connected to Cuchulainn, maybe he'll summon him during the fight or maybe once we defeated him we can get a way to summon Cuchulainn later with the summoning system they wanted to make in the game, a crystal like the one in FFXII that appear when you defeat an esper, well it's only speculations, it's possible that the espers and the ascians aren't really related in FFXIV, we only know that Belias and Zodiark exist in this world.

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and yet there are similarities. Elidibus may be the main summoner of Zodiark (or at least leads the council of Ascians), and there was that Ascian who gave the ability to summon Belias-egi to Tristan (dunno is his name is known).

If this theory is correct, I kinda hope to see Lahabrea summoning Mateus when we come to fight him again :)

I don't think the ascians that give the crystals to Tristan have names, it must be Random Ascian #576 or something like that, as for Elidibus I think it's more because they needed a name for the opposite to Zodiark as he and Ultima didn't have one so they picked Elidibus name and Ultima's ascian just called herself Ultima, so I don't think we can really be sure that it means that they can summon them, although it would be really cool !

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

If this theory is correct, I kinda hope to see Lahabrea summoning Mateus when we come to fight him again :)

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It's a wild theory, and checking early Coil dialog makes me doubt it somewhat, though the guards dialog makes zero sense to me in the English localization. He talks of chaos and carnage as if he'd just witnessed a Primal, when I really doubt he saw Bahamut (and even if he did, would he not instantly identify "a Primal" as Bahamut?).

One other theory is that Ifrit effectively is Belias, just remolded by a new set of followers, same being true for all the elemental Primals (so Mateus = Shiva). It would explain why Belias-Egi was just an emo Ifrit-Egi, though other than that there isn't much to base it on. If we knew which Paragons taught which tribes to summon their Primal it might hold some weight (Loghrif would have taught the Amalj'aa, Mitron the Ixali, for example). Interestingly when it comes to Shiva after her defeat an Ascian does mention that "Lahabrea will be pleased", which indicates Lahabrea had some interest in the summoning of the Ice Primal... Hardly irrefutable evidence, but it makes for some nice theory crafting.

Still, assuming the Japanese version of the Achievement really does indicate we're fighting Nabriales, I really hope it isn't just him. I simply cannot see a fight with just an Ascian being interesting. Part 1 of Before the Fall is meant to be the end of 2.0, with Part 2 being the start of 3.0, so I'd expect a bigger send off than "It's like Lahabrea at the end of Praetorium, but harder! Enjoy their stupid laugh!". Something like Cúchulainn would be a big surprise and raise a lot of interesting questions that wont be answered anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by lololink

I don't think the ascians that give the crystals to Tristan have names, it must be Random Ascian #576 or something like that, as for Elidibus I think it's more because they needed a name for the opposite to Zodiark as he and Ultima didn't have one so they picked Elidibus name and Ultima's ascian just called herself Ultima, so I don't think we can really be sure that it means that they can summon them, although it would be really cool !

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The Ascian that teatches Tristan how to summon Belias-egi is called "Ascian of the Twelfth Chalice"

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Originally Posted by Mholito

The Ascian that teatches Tristan how to summon Belias-egi is called "Ascian of the Twelfth Chalice"

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*Looks at the Before the Fall logo*

>_>

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Originally Posted by lololink

I don't think the ascians that give the crystals to Tristan have names, it must be Random Ascian #576 or something like that, as for Elidibus I think it's more because they needed a name for the opposite to Zodiark as he and Ultima didn't have one so they picked Elidibus name and Ultima's ascian just called herself Ultima, so I don't think we can really be sure that it means that they can summon them, although it would be really cool !

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As Mholito mentioned, the Ascian encountered in the SMN storyline was simply stated as 'Ascian of the Twelfth Chalice' - an earlier story cutscene featured similar generic Ascians as well, seeming to suggest there is a strict hierarchy amongst the Ascians (don't forget Alphinaud mentioned Lahabrea was actually an 'Ascian overlord' which would explain the generic Ascians as being 'lower ranked' ones - their 'rank and file' so to speak).

As well, Ultima's Ascian form actually used the old PS1 FF Tactics translation of her name as 'Altima', which was probably for technical reasons to avoid player confusion with the similarly sounding Ultima Weapon - the development team also stated this was an issue when designing the Crystal Tower and they found that certain FFIII bosses and enemies found there had names that were already used by FFXIV bosses and enemies, as noted here by Ferne.

If anything though, it helps establish the Ascians as being actually completely different beings to the Ivalice Alliance Espers/Scions of Light/Zodiac Braves/Lucavi.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

The Ascian that teatches Tristan how to summon Belias-egi is called "Ascian of the Twelfth Chalice"

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I think the other ascians takes their names from the tarrot cards 1-14 of sword, staff, coin and cup ( or in our case Chalice ) I think one of the ascian in Haukke is called ascian of the somethingth sword.

I didn't know that Ultima is called Altima in english, in french she is named Ultima.

Although they are obviously different beings the fact that they chose these names means that they might have some kind of link with Belias and the other Ivalice summons and not only Zodiark, although it's only speculation for now.

By the way I just watched the ascian cinematic of 2.3 and something I overlooked, they say that they want to make an awoken being ( which I think means someone that posess the echo ) a normal human for their plot, that might be what they want to do to Minfilla.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

It's a wild theory, and checking early Coil dialog makes me doubt it somewhat, though the guards dialog makes zero sense to me in the English localization. He talks of chaos and carnage as if he'd just witnessed a Primal, when I really doubt he saw Bahamut (and even if he did, would he not instantly identify "a Primal" as Bahamut?).

One other theory is that Ifrit effectively is Belias, just remolded by a new set of followers, same being true for all the elemental Primals (so Mateus = Shiva). It would explain why Belias-Egi was just an emo Ifrit-Egi, though other than that there isn't much to base it on. If we knew which Paragons taught which tribes to summon their Primal it might hold some weight (Loghrif would have taught the Amalj'aa, Mitron the Ixali, for example). Interestingly when it comes to Shiva after her defeat an Ascian does mention that "Lahabrea will be pleased", which indicates Lahabrea had some interest in the summoning of the Ice Primal... Hardly irrefutable evidence, but it makes for some nice theory crafting.

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Both theories could in fact be only one. What defines a primal ? Aetheric entity appearing before those who pray for it to appear and answer their needs (in scenario, it all comes down to blasting their ennemies away though >_>). That said, who is to say different people have the same image of their primal, even though they are only one ?

What if Belias (who was only named in ancient scriptures iirc) was actually Ifrit, as the one and only fire primal, but at a different time ? Different time, different aspect, but the same entity.

We know the Ascians are immortal and were here for a very long time. It's possible they have messed up with primal summoning more than once (or twice, according to the scenario, as many of the primals we're fighting have already been beaten at a point since their unsealing). If Belias was the former Ifrit, it would make more sense in the "Ascians are the original summoners of the primals" theory.

That said, Why would they have that power ? What or Who gave them that power ? (as well as the power to transcend death) Many interesting things can come from here (if correct)

Yay brainfodder !

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Originally Posted by lololink

By the way I just watched the ascian cinematic of 2.3 and something I overlooked, they say that they want to make an awoken being ( which I think means someone that posess the echo ) a normal human for their plot, that might be what they want to do to Minfilla.

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you should check the 2.5 trailer again. Interesting brainfodder for you there ^_^

Either Minfilia as she got captured, or you, who takes a spear of light into the chest and apparently loses your connection with the 6 crystals you gained through your heroic deeds in 2.0 scenario

It's pretty obvious what the name of the trial will be at the least. If you look down at the expressions added to the auto-translate dictionary at the bottom of the patch notes, it says "the void". All other duties there have been mentioned in the patch notes save for "the void." Odds are that's the name of the trial.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Either Minfilia as she got captured, or you, who takes a spear of light into the chest and apparently loses your connection with the 6 crystals you gained through your heroic deeds in 2.0 scenario

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I don't think we would lose the echo, that would make us vulnerable to primal's control.

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Originally Posted by lololink

I don't think we would lose the echo, that would make us vulnerable to primal's control.

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those 6 crystals aren't the echo though. They are aetheric vessels to.... dunno, the primals essence ? Their part ended after Ultima in the Praetorium so I don't know if they may contain aether from leviathan, Ramuh, King Moggle Mog or Shiva. Maybe releasing them all at once is part of a ritual of some sort... unleashing Zodiark maybe ? We'll know soon enough I guess

I think our fight against the Ascian's will be that guy in the Part 1 Trailer talking to Minifillia about stealing the staff.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

those 6 crystals aren't the echo though. They are aetheric vessels to.... dunno, the primals essence ? Their part ended after Ultima in the Praetorium so I don't know if they may contain aether from leviathan, Ramuh, King Moggle Mog or Shiva. Maybe releasing them all at once is part of a ritual of some sort... unleashing Zodiark maybe ? We'll know soon enough I guess

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We should ask ramuh, he seems to know more than he is telling us... if he wont tell us, lets kick his ass again :)

8 arms huh
i think greg and ulty could be good friends

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

those 6 crystals aren't the echo though. They are aetheric vessels to.... dunno, the primals essence ? Their part ended after Ultima in the Praetorium so I don't know if they may contain aether from leviathan, Ramuh, King Moggle Mog or Shiva. Maybe releasing them all at once is part of a ritual of some sort... unleashing Zodiark maybe ? We'll know soon enough I guess

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Maybe it's the opposite? Maybe we're giving up their power to infuse Hydaelyn with more so her power cancels out Zodiark's for a while? Maybe that's also why we need the staff, to help with more power from one of the most powerful figures in Eorzea.

now that this patch has dropped, What is the mystery trial?

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

now that this patch has dropped, What is the mystery trial?

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The Chrysalis.

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Originally Posted by Purplenum

The Chrysalis.

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Cant wait to unlock it and see what it is.

Not the mystery trial and not an Ex. So saying it's full power just feels insulting to what he could be.

Are you kidding? The Chrysalis is harder than some of the EX trials we have.

Edit: Ah.. Tiggy, you meant Gilgamesh. Still though, did you expect something in the Hildibrand series to be difficult?

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Originally Posted by Ecks007

Are you kidding? The Chrysalis is harder than some of the EX trials we have.

Edit: Ah.. Tiggy, you meant Gilgamesh. Still though, did you expect something in the Hildibrand series to be difficult?

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Yeah I meant Greg. What I expect is for them to add an Ex version that isn't part of the story. Just like a hard mode primal is part of the plot, and the ex version is something you can do afterwards. Put the hardmode in the story, and put the ex version once it's over. The story version is still super easy and part of the hildebrand storyline and they still throw us a bone with some decent middle difficulty content.

To be fair, they could always add a much harder fight with our dear friend Mr. Wandering Minstrel. Much like what was done with Ultima.

I'd say it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

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Originally Posted by Ecks007

To be fair, they could always add a much harder fight with our dear friend Mr. Wandering Minstrel. Much like what was done with Ultima.

I'd say it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

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To be equally fair they haven't been very willing to use that plot device since then so it's hard to tell if they want to do it again or not.