Turn 12 Tank DPS

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Their PLD is full time sword oath and the WAR MTs most of the hits.

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No, look at the parse for damage taken. PLD is MT in sword oath.

I do T10/12 in sword oath full time (unless something goes wrong). Revelation only does 4k.. crit auto attacks are more dangerous since they aren't telegraphed.

As for how it's possible.... it's because their healers are god tier.

My personal best in T10 is 373, and that's in full Ruby, with a little bit of TP starvation towards the end. T12 is around 330ish I think.

How does he keep DPS up during the charge? I'm sure they only see three charges total but still my DpS drops hard waiting during the charge.

I have heard of tanks not just standing back behind the puddle waiting, or tossing Tomahawks, however the one time I tried going after Imdugud, I didn't get in front fast enough and he murdered our Monk with his crackle hiss. Maybe even someone else. So I decided to not change up anything. I just provoke- Skull Sunder- Butcherblock- Heavy Swing (would Fracture if it wasn't already up)- Infuriate and wait

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Originally Posted by Abbul_Stonecleaver

I have heard of tanks not just standing back behind the puddle waiting, or tossing Tomahawks, however the one time I tried going after Imdugud, I didn't get in front fast enough and he murdered our Monk with his crackle hiss. Maybe even someone else. So I decided to not change up anything. I just provoke- Skull Sunder- Butcherblock- Heavy Swing (would Fracture if it wasn't already up)- Infuriate and wait

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Yeah I've tried it. Maybe they rotate the boss around the room so the PLD can chase him and not MPK the raid.

I'd love to see a video of their speed runs.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

How does he keep DPS up during the charge? I'm sure they only see three charges total but still my DpS drops hard waiting during the charge.

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Because they don't do the pug method if "im gonna stand here doing nothing and wait for him to walk back" approach. Nor do we, because it's dumb. You follow it on charge, then you just walk it back to the side of the puddle. Or, with high dps, it will phase transition immediately after, then it's also conveniently placed close to where adds will spawn so melee don't have to move far at all.

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Originally Posted by Ellatrix

Because they don't do the pug method if "im gonna stand here doing nothing and wait for him to walk back" approach. Nor do we, because it's dumb. You follow it on charge, then you just walk it back to the side of the puddle. Or, with high dps, it will phase transition immediately after, then it's also conveniently placed close to where adds will spawn so melee don't have to move far at all.

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Get off your high horse lol, you are coming off like an ass. PUG method that 95% of statics use lol.

Doesn't the puddle form before the charge? Just strafe around it while he's turning?

95% of statics are also inefficient and don't even try to optimize, just to do "good enough" to clear, I don't see your counterpoint. The reason pugs don't do this is because the boss is 1) its how they learned it and doing something different means 'you suck and dont know what youre doing' and 2) the boss is no longer in a static position and the group needs to accommodate for that, i.e. your "person with charge marker goes to A" no longer works since everything is rotating.

Puddle forms before charge, you strafe to the side then follow it on charge.

Finished fight of T12 tonight at 244 with my new i130 axe. Our tactic in last phase involves OT standing in fountain for 3 stacks not in range of Phoenix which is a huge hit to dps.

I have no idea what I was parsing before Bennu phase.

Oh but I did hit 310 with Diamond Axe tonight in T10. New high. Next week with new axe I am excited to see what I can hit.

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Originally Posted by Abbul_Stonecleaver

Finished fight of T12 tonight at 244 with my new i130 axe. Our tactic in last phase involves OT standing in fountain for 3 stacks not in range of Phoenix which is a huge hit to dps.

I have no idea what I was parsing before Bennu phase.

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If I were you I'd politely ask your raid leader to change the order to some combination of SCH, WHM, BRD, and caster. Melee free is the way to go.

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Originally Posted by Abbul_Stonecleaver

Finished fight of T12 tonight at 244 with my new i130 axe. Our tactic in last phase involves OT standing in fountain for 3 stacks not in range of Phoenix which is a huge hit to dps.

I have no idea what I was parsing before Bennu phase.

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Awesome, congrats!
I think pulling Phoenix to the puddle is quite simple and effective in keeping uptime on the boss from all members, and also to make the swap simpler if that tanks are handling brand. We do off tank for four stacks, and then I step out of puddle directly into main tank and then voke and continue on. Tons of uptime that way.

Our way to handle fountain : Whm 2, Sch 2, Brd 2, Blm 2.

Could sounds weird to not have tanks eatin dmg but got several advantages.

1) boss stays fix durin all phase, no kiting job to fountain.
2) melee free from any mechanic but dodge tethers, having the boss not moving for positionnals. Both tanks, melees keep dps boss 100% time
3) no unwished brand interaction possible, Ot allways on same side of boss, melees on the other, tank swap durin unforgivness.

I got a timed macro to call things on chat that makes me remind to call it on vocal, it works pretty fine, our caster is losin a bit dps due to moving to fountain, but then the fountain dissapear n he don t have to move again to get out of it since he' s the last to stack it.

Initially we did have the tactic involve moving to fountains, but we were having issues with deaths due to random things. Now with our comfort with last phase we'd probably be fine.

That method Lucelia looks really interesting. I should bring it up to the static. At this point however, our dps is not any issue for winning the fight, it's just simply fun to push numbers. I'll see how they feel.

When pulling the boss over to the puddle the only dangerous aspect is Revelation, which comes out right after the fountain. So Everyone needs to steer clear of the MT.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

When pulling the boss over to the puddle the only dangerous aspect is Revelation, which comes out right after the fountain. So Everyone needs to steer clear of the MT.

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Also, if you plan on using Holmgang for that one (you really shouldn't need to but crazier things have happened) Holmgang DOES have a range, so make sure you are within it.

Last night during the Revelation 3 minutes in (Phoenix at 55%, just before phase push.. I don't know if it's third or fourth, normally fourth, but I think we skipped second Revelation in Phase 1 on the clear), my dps was 346. It's come a good way since I started this thread.