Is this Zodiac weapon dungeon grind getting into ppl's heads?

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Originally Posted by Doki

Definitely not just tanks... lately I get a LOT more dps and healers telling me I need to do "bigger pulls" , especially healers who then FAIL at healing.

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Oh, god, this. I've stopped doing the big pull of the last room of Sastasha HM because I've wiped in there to many times even when I've perfectly balanced my cooldown use because of this.

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Originally Posted by Najla

As for the bad ones.... My hunch is there must be some DPS queuing as tanks to avoid their dreaded, never-ending DPS queue to get their weapon faster.

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Or as healers.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Except SE is well capable of putting level syncs into lvl 50 dungeons. They had a (meaningless) ilvl110 lock for all heroic level dungeons when 2.4 went live, then removed it when they introduced the zodiac step.

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They removed the ilevelsync because it was bugged. As a carry over effect from the PvP version of ilevelsync, it was disabling the Materia bonuses from gear that was not synced.

I main blm and I'm doing the quests for the lilth rod but sometimes if the que takes too long I switch to my pally. I almost always ask if they would like to do big pulls, which usually it is yes. I have been with some groups that want to lock out some of the monsters and I'm just like oh my bad.... I usually check ppls gear as well. Some ppl have been sbing while doing these runs for their zodiac drops as well :/

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I don't see anything wrong with large pull. ppl are i110+ now and should be learned how to speedrun those old dungeons already.

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I personally grew tired of speed runs back in 2.2 (Brayflox HM... urgh. Worst dungeon). To me, they're far more boring than normal runs.

It seems likely that people just want to get this over and done with as soon as possible. Doing large pulls is just one way of "speeding" things up; at least in their minds. Getting the drops as soon as they can so they can move onto the other parts of the quests.

I do find that this form of content silly. I think the upgrade process would be more meaningful if the quests were specifically tied to the job itself. I really dislike the fact that, no matter what job you are playing, you do the same things to upgrade your weapon as the rest of the players playing every other job out there.

@Deathscythe343
Well I did post on another thread on how the Relic quest should have just been Relic Reborn trials of sorts. Those would be far more rewarding, especially if the fights were challenging (not cheap. Fun challenging. Like Siren in Pharos Sirius 2.1)

Atma: Lich (FFI), Kraken (FFI), Marilith (FFI), Tiamat (FFI). Fought individually.
Animus: Cindy (FFIV), Mindy (FFIV), Sandy (FFIV). Fought individually at first, but then all at once for the final step.
Novus: Goddess (FFVI), Fiend (FFVI), Demon (FFVI). Fought individually
Nexus: Scarmiglione (FFIV), Cagnazzo (FFIV), Barbariccia (FFIV), Rubicante (FFIV). Fought individually.
Zodiac: Crystal Hyur, Crystal Elezen, Crystal Roegadyn, Crystal Lalafell, Crystal Miqo'te (FFXI Ark Angels) Fought individually.
Zodiac Complete: Hydaelyn's Test (FFXI's Divine Might). Fight the five Crystal Warriors. Can also drop race specific gear that you decide the stats for.

This seems like a good place to ask, but is 30+ runs of Lost City normal for anyone else? I pretty much burnt my entire saturday trying to get the drop there, and nothing O_O. I feel like I'm missing something the rest of my drops were 10 runs or less, even aurum vale. This is wild. Iv got over 1000 soldiery from just this dungeon, not to mention capped and had to dump my GC seals as well. Even after 30 runs I take note of my party makeup before I go charging in. But you got to understand why some of these guys are rushing. They are really sick of the dungeons and going nuts. I had one run where the dps was pulling all the mobs cause the tank wasn't going fast enough(i go heals sometimes). Its been said before, but RNG should have a limit. Give us 15 tries to win the RNG lottery, if we don't get it by then just give us the damn thing.

Especially in dungeons where you get literally no tangible reward. Because in those dungeons, it is easily creating situations where everyone is completely impatient after the 10th 40 min run through DD with newbies that have no idea what they are doing. You want experienced people to be patient with newbies? this is not helping at all I assure you. I use to be a advocate for all the experienced to take there time in low lv dungeons for the new guys. Doing it for a book is one thing, its a guaranty. But this, it isn't, so I wont be expecting nexus people to be patient at all at this point. There's no guaranty in it for them.

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Originally Posted by Drako

This seems like a good place to ask, but is 30+ runs of Lost City normal for anyone else?

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it is totally random Drako, but it did seem to me that the closer I got to the end, the worse the drop rate became, Tam Tara HM, Pharos and Halatali took me almost 3 days of non stop runs, 15-20 runs of each. I was literally about to give up and offer to pay someone to queue with me as Tank / Heals :)

I generally ask healer (not DPS) how big they want to go when tanking.

Also with good melee, MNK/DRG MNK/NIN, DRG/NIN, they can burn through packs of mobs pretty quick, just because they cant AE as good as a BLM doesn't mean a melee player that knows what they are doing can't AE packs down XD

It also makes a HUGE difference if the tank is bad/lazy and doesn't bother/know how to use defensive CDs on large pulls.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

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It also makes a HUGE difference if the tank is bad/lazy and doesn't bother/know how to use defensive CDs on large pulls.

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Problem is more and more don;t seem to even care (>...<

Happens a lot at Sastasha(Hard) due to some mobs hit like a truck.

Sometimes at Snowcloak after first boss, those ice elementals are murder.

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I've definitely had more ragers lately.

Fortunately, I've also been grouped with people who believe in dismissing people who are jerks. :D

This is why they need some other way to keep old content relevant. I play with 2 others , my friend and gf and whenever a healer joins we always ask them if they are ok with big pulls. If not, np...we do smaller pulls. Not everyone is like this though.

Devs please find another way to do this. Can we have actual boss fights or fraction leves for relic?

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Originally Posted by Doki

Definitely not just tanks... lately I get a LOT more dps and healers telling me I need to do "bigger pulls" , especially healers who then FAIL at healing.

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Hmmm... I usually just help DPS if it is a small pull, otherwise just heal if it is a huge pull. I leave it to the tank to decide.

On one hand it's not really anything new - on the other, isn't that an issue in itself? Why can't people find a healthy balance and go with that?

On another note though: holy ××××. 10-20-n runs in one day? Who on earth is pointing a gun at your head, ffs? People keep demanding new content - because they burn through everything this fast, much faster than intended... and then complain they don't have anything to do and wonder why they're burnt out. Try pacing things out more evenly maybe? :S

I wonder if this is a weird plot by the devs to make speedrunners sick of speedrunning. A bit off the wall, but think about it.

I wish we could go back to how the first relic step was doing trials/primals. Sadly SE wants to use relic to fix their issues with queues and making the world look active....