If your gonna nerf content...

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Originally Posted by Twivana

They did nerf it some with the echo and blighted (sp???) and the bees. Yes luckly only t9 has the echo. Actually passed it this week but even with the echo it is still hard. Well the last phase is hard xD T10 is so much easier. I'm sure in the future they will nerf the dive bombs and lunar dynamo too :/

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doubtful, as they haven't nerfed t5

If you're going to spell you're
At least do it correctly..
Anyways all will be irrelevent in 3.0

Most of these fights involve one Learning the mechanics behind the the ecounter, just because there is the word HM EM attached to the ecounter does not nessarly make it harder just means there are more mechanics involved with the fight you need to learn. One you have learned those mechanics behind the fight the fight becomes really easy,problem with these fights isn't nessarly the diffulty of the mechanics behind these fight its the party you go in with having the drive to help you learn those mechanics of the encounter, once you learn that whether it be easy,HM,EM its all the same just more mechanics involved one you learn that you can clear just about all content just requires the learning curve and the drive to get it done.

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Originally Posted by Goomy

Calls other players mad and bad, yet hasn't realized is fed and carried through content by own FC...the irony.

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Someone else is able to clear it, they get accused of being carried.

Then those who can't clear it always blame the other players.

Too funny.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

doubtful, as they haven't nerfed t5

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They did change twisters from how they where originally in T5, pre echo/2.2. As originally turn 5 twisters were evil :P

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Twintania's Twister

A number of players have asked if the mechanics of Twister are random, but as we have answered previously, this is not a random attack. That said, we believe the timing of this attack to be too unforgiving. Although we will be changing Firestorm, making it more difficult to handle, adjustments will be made to Twister so that the timing required to survive this attack is not quite so severe.

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Originally Posted by Goomy

Calls other players mad and bad, yet hasn't realized is fed and carried through content by own FC...the irony.

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lol it's one of those weird people who stalk LVN people even though you never actually interact with them in game, I guess they are a dime a dozen. I lived the pug life before being in LVN and I was clearing everything, we don't take people who have nothing to offer. Everyone starts from somewhere and puts in hard work, and I don't know how delusional you have to be to think someone who leads a raid is being carried.

BTW I have a pretty nice house in the goblet if you want to visit! Paid for by all those carries I somehow wasn't the one paying for. You can buy a carry too if you want it's pretty cheap now ;]

Didnt they reduce the adds hp and conflag hp when they added echo? How is that not a nerf?

Also goomy sounds bitter.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

lol it's one of those weird people who stalk LVN people even though you never actually interact with them in game, I guess they are a dime a dozen. I lived the pug life before being in LVN and I was clearing everything, we don't take people who have nothing to offer. Everyone starts from somewhere and puts in hard work, and I don't know how delusional you have to be to think someone who leads a raid is being carried.

BTW I have a pretty nice house in the goblet if you want to visit! Paid for by all those carries I somehow wasn't the one paying for. You can buy a carry too if you want it's pretty cheap now ;]

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Don't flatter yourself. After reading your post on here and THEN seeing it was from you, I wasn't surprised yet felt compelled to reply. Nothing more. As a matter of fact I have played with and are in linkshells with several LVN members. Just a friendly reminder that you are a member of possibly the only FC on our server that strives to be first in anything. No one else cares, it all gets nerfed to high hell regularly as you know. Don't assume you have all the great players either. Learn some humility.

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Originally Posted by Goomy

Don't flatter yourself. After reading your post on here and THEN seeing it was from you, I wasn't surprised yet felt compelled to reply. Nothing more. As a matter of fact I have played with and are in linkshells with several LVN members. Just a friendly reminder that you are a member of possibly the only FC on our server that strives to be first in anything. No one else cares, it all gets nerfed to high hell regularly as you know. Don't assume you have all the great players either. Learn some humility.

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You and that other guy from your FC are the only ones who post these weird callouts. Who are the LVN members and who are the ones carrying me? You seem to know us so intimately, at least enough to have strong opinions that I don't see anyone express to us in game.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

You and that other guy from your FC are the only ones who post these weird callouts. Who are the LVN members and who are the ones carrying me? You seem to know us so intimately, at least enough to have strong opinions that I don't see anyone express to us in game.

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I don't care what you do in the game, I'm only referring to what is said on the forums. I probably should have used a different word but for someone who has everything cleared in this game, what is the point of coming on the forums having a go at people trying to clear with the duty finder - which is obviously another kettle of fish for various reasons. Not everyone is in an organised FC/static like you, hence why you are cashing in big on merc runs.

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Originally Posted by Goomy

I don't care what you do in the game, I'm only referring to what is said on the forums. I probably should have used a different word but for someone who has everything cleared in this game, what is the point of coming on the forums having a go at people trying to clear with the duty finder - which is obviously another kettle of fish for various reasons. Not everyone is in an organised FC/static like you, hence why you are cashing in big on merc runs.

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Don't avoid my question, which FC members who you appear to know intimately are carrying me. Which FC members do you have experience with? You are clearly bothered by LVN since you and that other guy (who is probably forum banned lol) are the only 2 people who posts this. Do you think you are posting revelations? We know pugs are hard because the players who make them up as bad, just how a FC can be good because it's members are good. There are probably hundreds of people on the server who form a passionate opinion about this FC who they only have second-hand accounts of, so why does it matter what they think? lol if you think people are motivated to raid because it impresses the majority of the server, you are completely delusional. I don't even know you so why would I care what you or other people I don't know think.

You however have an unhealthy obsession with this FC when you still haven't detailed with any substance how they affect you in game. I call people bad because they demonstrate to be bad and most people in this thread share this opinion but only you was visibly offended by someone in a raiding FC pointing that out.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

You and that other guy from your FC are the only ones who post these weird callouts. Who are the LVN members and who are the ones carrying me? You seem to know us so intimately, at least enough to have strong opinions that I don't see anyone express to us in game.

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Because you got carried, someone sais so must be troo! an the other 7 got carried also, so all 8 of ya were carrying everyone and being carried all at the same time. Kinda makes ya head hurt :P

But super cereal, motivation usually is from a serious case of jellyitis when peeps go all forum callin an stuff to try and undervalue what someones achieved that they havn't been able to. Kinda people who wait for PF parties to appear for what they want instead of taking initiative and trying to maek their own. Self motivation gets things done, waiting on others to hold your hand and set up everything with a comfy pillow waiting doesn't happen.

ITT: Merc runners with statics try to tell people without statics how easy it is to play without a static when someone remarks that content nerfed to be puggable may, or may not, be puggable.

Not a bad troll. I rate 4/10 troll dolls. Keep trying, I'm sure you will be even more successful with your next one.

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Originally Posted by Krr

ITT: Merc runners with statics try to tell people without statics how easy it is to play without a static when someone remarks that content nerfed to be puggable may, or may not, be puggable.

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It's almost like MMOs encourage players to meet other plays and form groups, crazy!

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Originally Posted by xvshanevx

...at least do it correctly.

Been a minute since I was in T6 or T7 and I wanted to see how DFable these had become with the current nerfs.

Nope. No nerf here.

Square Enix, if you're going to nerf content, the least you can do is nerf it enough so randomized people, with no voice com, with little to no experience, of the fight to be able to make it through on the 10th-13th try.

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U shud just say that an end game content should be clearable without effort; soloable, or without even proper mechanic

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Originally Posted by xvshanevx

...at least do it correctly.

Been a minute since I was in T6 or T7 and I wanted to see how DFable these had become with the current nerfs.

Nope. No nerf here.

Square Enix, if you're going to nerf content, the least you can do is nerf it enough so randomized people, with no voice com, with little to no experience, of the fight to be able to make it through on the 10th-13th try.

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The idea behind the method of coil nerfs is that those groups that can get maybe 80%+ in progress but keep wiping to get through. Not for nubz to come in and win.

Wow, so much hate.

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Originally Posted by Krr

ITT: Merc runners with statics try to tell people without statics how easy it is to play without a static when someone remarks that content nerfed to be puggable may, or may not, be puggable.

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Haven't tried PUGging T6 yet, but I can say from personal experience that T7 is a piece of cake to clear with PUGs, even if there are two or three new people in the group. I just helped two people get clears for it last night. T8 is harder but doable with communication.

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Originally Posted by Deculture

It's almost like MMOs encourage players to meet other plays and form groups, crazy!

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Yeah, it's weird how a game about socializing encourages players to form introverted, anti-social groups in order to clear content that only reach out to outsiders in exchange for money...

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

Haven't tried PUGging T6 yet, but I can say from personal experience that T7 is a piece of cake to clear with PUGs, even if there are two or three new people in the group. I just helped two people get clears for it last night. T8 is harder but doable with communication.

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Yeah, T6 and T7 are a bit of a grab bag with DF, but you can usually clear them in a couple of nights tops. Some people just can't be helped and at that point you drop group as soon as it's safe. T8 has the Ramuh Problem where reading numbers over your head is hard for people but the rest of the mechanics are easy enough to do.

T9 is T9.

to inform someone that being too many as a soak team in T5 (2 fairies, two pets, the tank and one player + the one affected by the debuff) is a problem when *cornflakes* is out, especially if DPS is very slow and itw as..I was called ignorant, although I know that portion in and out up and down since I have done it more then 95x so far. Granted I dont know beyond the death of snakes...but that portion I know it for sure.

calling someone bad just because eh or she fails constantly is a very dumb comment, when you are in a group is either the whole group failure or whole group success, no such thing as a bad player but such thing as bad team....or good team...see the point?

You can stil nerf it to the ground if you are in inexperienced team or *bad * group, you will fail no matter how good you are, or rather your team will fail, independent of whether you as a single player know the fight or dont know the fight. People want to play in a group but when it goes bad is the fault of the other person rathr then the whole that was not able to compensate other's people weakness...which is also a way of seeing a group..but is me

Mei

I dfed up to t8. of course some were abandoned, and some took more than few tries, but it sure IS dfable...

Answer to this post, NO
Enough nerfs for gods sake, just get a group together and practice.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Answer to this post, NO
Enough nerfs for gods sake, just get a group together and practice.

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That would require effort on TC's part though.

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Originally Posted by Krr

Yeah, it's weird how a game about socializing encourages players to form introverted, anti-social groups in order to clear content that only reach out to outsiders in exchange for money...

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Blame the duty system in general, multiple different types of lockouts and fight design where one person messing up can make everyone else wipe for that.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

They did change twisters from how they where originally in T5, pre echo/2.2. As originally turn 5 twisters were evil :P

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You forget the netcode was even worse back then. Player positions were updated three times a second back then, rather than the ten times per second that was added in 2.1to some instances, and then 2.2 later adding it to the rest of the game.

So strict dodge timing + only reading your position three times a second spells disaster if the twister so happened to spawn on the tail-end of your dodging motion.


As for T6, all the instant-kill mechanics were removed, the debuff stacks in last phase also deal zero damage which makes the joke an absolute joke to heal, and add in the fact people are DFing it in full 110-120 gear rather than when it originally came out with us doing it in i90 gear, all add up to an easily zerged battle assuming folks are handling the devour mechanic. Everything else can be ignored.

@OP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

Moral of the story: DF is bad because it is made of players and not all players who have half of their brain functioned properly. It is not the nerfing contents fault, it is player's fault for not using their brain, their judgment and their knowledge.

Heck, one healer complained about Brayflox lv 30 being so hard. Hax....