It's not fanboyism simply because people don't agree with you. The cold hard fact is SE said they aren't going to add more because of server constants. Whether you like that answer or not you have 20 slots to work with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
Small House 20 item limit for Outdoors?!?!?
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12-24-2014, 11:22 AMDyvid
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12-24-2014, 12:22 PMRed_WolfI assume you meant server constraints? Do you have a reference for this? Server issues aren't really my problem. SE either can or can't build adequate hardware for the game. I now pay a subscription and expect them to provide such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyvid
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12-24-2014, 10:26 PMShneibelthis mind set sound familiarQuote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
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12-24-2014, 11:24 PMRed_Wolf
So suggesting any improvements to the game is an assault on SE? That's where we're going with this?
Can we please get back on topic with actual legitimate reasons as to why the limit is ridiculously low. These reasons do not include: deal with it, my neighbor's yard will look bad, and phony hardware excuses for an established MMO company. -
12-25-2014, 12:32 AMShneibel*sigh*.....if you had follow the forum for the last 2 months, the dev already said they will use the resource to make housing function items, this is not the first time this had been "request", this the 3480234928432897432897482nd times and the answer is the same: wait and be patience.Quote:
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edit: those who against your idea, simply telling you the 20 items limit are more than enough to decorate the small house garden, and it is truth -
12-25-2014, 01:34 AMRed_WolfI searched and found nothing on raising the item limit (except for large houses). I asked for the reference in an earlier post and got nothing. Multiple people seem to be fine with raising the item limit for large houses, but apparently saying the limit is too low for everything else will just get you flames. So maybe it's not fanboyism as much as elitism. I don't know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shneibel
No, this is your opinion. Only one person has posted that they are actually under this ridiculous limit. So I do not understand why so many defend it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shneibel
P.S. - Sigh? Are you actually reading anything? For instance, I said the mini-aethyrte was an incredibly cheap teleport and you responded by telling me it's not free. And I already told you I was new so I obviously haven't followed the forums for the last two months... -
12-25-2014, 01:41 AMMomomiMomi
Server constraints, as has been said, is the reason they have given multiple times. I'm not going to go look for it for you.
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12-25-2014, 03:59 AMNirokun
I won the first mog house decorating contest in XI, and now I have a small house. You can absolutely make it a beautiful place, inside and out, with the current limits. But, it surely wouldn't hurt to have a few more slots, 5~10 would be great to allow for seasonal decorating changes. My house isn't cluttered at all, rather, it seems much more expansive than some of the places I've seen because of the way I've used the space.
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12-25-2014, 06:55 PMMistyMew
I tend to agree with the op
its time se increases the limit of items for ALL houses imo, it certainly is far far too limiting as is. I realize it will never be as good as Rifts design for dimensions, but my personal opinion is that since its such a basic design with very little creativity required, the limits should actually be removed.
if people want a cluttered yard/interior let them! everyones taste is different, its highly personal and tbh any modern mmo should be ready to allow a lot more when it comes to housing
I love my medium house and really enjoyed decorating it!!!! but I too find the limits way too low
will keep my fingers crossed that one day FFXIV will have a much more creative and less limiting desing for homes:o -
12-30-2014, 04:40 AMTeryaaniLarge houses absolutely need it more (both in and out). You're right that they keep calling out server issues for the reason that they haven't upped this number. Until they can sort that out, we're stuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomomiMomi
You can make a decent yard with 20. For me the sweet spot is probably 25-30 for a small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shneibel
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12-30-2014, 05:26 AMPterois
the limit actually forces you to be more creative with how you stack things and what not. however on the opposite side of the spectrum, putting a limit on creativity has always been a no go. this is a double edge sword topic where both sides are correct. T
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12-30-2014, 12:33 PMRed_WolfEveryone expects a limit. There should be an advantage to having larger housing and such. But a 20 item limit is unacceptable. All limits should be increased. It will greatly improve housing as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pterois
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01-03-2015, 01:32 AMEricCartmenez
I have a small house and yes, I had to take a couple of things up to place Christmas then New Year items, but it wasn't such a big deal. Wave Pool, Odin thingy, garden, aetheryte, mailbox, lamp, trees... I'm sure that considering that there's not really that much difference in lawn space between a small, medium, and large place it has more to do with limiting the number of 'things' that need to be rendered. By providing X smalls, Y mediums, and Z larges, the developers have ensured that they managed the cap on items in given locations, therefore keeping their server resources manageable.
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02-19-2019, 12:53 AMKyllandraI know this post is old, but I just googled "outdoor housing limit" since housing is new to me. I've got a medium plot and 30 items is simply not enough. You want to do some landscaping and add lighting and small bushes so the trees don't look "naked"? You want to add some stepping stones? Yeah, that's not happening. Go and get that giant eye-sore outdoor furnishing if you want your yard to look like it's not straight outta Compton two lawn chairs and a grill. People thinking they're being creative by being needlessly limited is hilarious. But if you came to the forums expecting to find any semblance of logic or reason, you came to the wrong place. What you're going to get is "i don't have a problem with it, so it's not a problem".Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
The limit appears to be arbitrary like a lot of things in this game. It's a really beautiful game with lots of things to do but also LOTS of very odd and illogical limitations to go along with it like I can't accept an invite because I've got my retainer window open? Yeah okay. That's just lazy developing imo.
People are telling you that you can do it, "You just gotta get creative" without realizing that the limitation is actually killing the creative outlet these features COULD provide. Is it Christmas time? You may put up one christmas tree and a couple of snow piles and a snowman but you're going to have to remove several trees and bushes and probably some stepping stones. You're welcome.
I'm not saying we need a limit in the thousands, but 30? Come on. It's ridiculous and there is no argument for it. Even another 10 items could make all the difference. Most lawns look straight up ugly and barren. Very few people have really made it work. I also think it's ironic for people to be criticizing and outright attacking you for a making a reasonable suggestion. You're a consumer and as a consumer you have a right and responsibility to make suggestions about a product that is NOT working or could be improved significantly.
I'll attach a couple of images of my yard. I can't stand "naked" looking trees.
https://i.imgur.com/w4eqnzS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tbonwwh.jpg
I've put red makers where I'd like to add more things but can't because of the limit. In order for me to put some stepping stones, a bird bath, and more lighting shown in the red markers, I'm going to have to remove the blood bushes. I can just forget that picnic area I was hoping to design.
https://i.imgur.com/DjjfSgz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gjvsFCU.jpg
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02-19-2019, 01:04 AMViduWhile I agree that the limit should be increased, this isnt arbitrary but has infact to do with the stress it puts on the servers. The servers for the areas are constantly open, so they need to calculate carefully how many of those sometimes rather complexe objects they can allow to be freely placed in the housing areas without having loading times or the game explode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyllandra
I know to little about servers to tell wether or not they could have used a better system for this, but either way the fact remains that the servers have certain limitations.
And: adding only 10 items more to the limit might not sound like much - but consider that there are over 2000 plots on each server. Thats not 10 items more, thats 20.000 items more... -
02-19-2019, 01:31 AMKuroka
Same here, wanted to use the stones but nope... i manage to use the fire + bench you buy at the Vanu + 3 stones, thats it. If at lest the chocobo stable, mailbox, aetheryte and maybe 1 dummy would not count for that limit.
Further, id love to have different types of grass... not the same generic one on EVERY plot >_>
Maybe even seperate slots for plants and furniture/decorations....
And imo... the M and L plots were flawed by design... like, give us some space around the house, left and right, just the same as on S houses. I know its too late and they wont change it, but stil... that large spot on L's is kinda.... you actually have a harder time as on S houses >:>
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The servers lol.... if its 20x a stone or 20x the most complicated decoration ingame doesnt matter, they just save item #52455725727 on plot AB, X/Y/Z + rotation. while its sure a lot of data if all plots x 50-60 items, they should still be ok. you cant tell me its possible to LITERALLY flood the lavender beds with flowers, but i cant place 5 patches of em on my ground. -
02-19-2019, 02:25 AMFelinchen
You could at least put one of the very beautiful fences on your plot ... it does so much. o_O This looks just sad (the basic standard "fence" you get when you move in).
Here my yard (also medium plot):
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...4a87709311.jpg
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...7cf064b25f.jpg
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02-19-2019, 02:54 AMfumofu
If you are creative, 20 items limit shouldn't be a problem. Just take a trip around your neighbour houses, check other wards too, there's plenty of masterpieces done with this 20 items limit.
I understand it may look a little low to you, but there's a very good reason for this.
Also, I believe that if you'd spent half as much time trying to think about how to make the best of your garden with this limit, instead of whining and complaining here in forums, you could get some decent results. -
02-19-2019, 03:10 AMInkstainedGwyn
I already can't see my FC chocobo stable when I'm at the MB nearby (Goblet, large house overlooking the brimming heart, mb just up at the apt. building). No, an extra paving stone may not make much of a difference, but that jack*** who has 30 namazu statues in his yard is making a difference, because he's going to add more and those take a lot of processing. I still like the "point" system somebody suggested once; 50pts, things like paving stones or gravel are like .5 a point, huge, graphically-intense pieces like the namazu could be 10 points. The wavesoul font is still flashy, so maybe 5 pts for that, but the treehouse, which is big but is literally just a tree with wooden planks, could be 2.
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02-19-2019, 03:20 AMDustytomeThey are working on increasing the outdoor limit, however understand while your indoor limit is just items you have placed, the outdoor limit is the sum of your entire ward. You've got the possibility of 730 items along with all the exterior decor of the houses that all have to be sent to each client that loads into the ward. Every 1 outdoor item they add to the limit is actually 30. If we had instanced housing with an outdoor yard space, we could probably be using something akin to the indoor limits each, but that's not the route they took and this is one of the prices of having neighbors.Quote:
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Static data that's part of the client vs dynamic data users can alter at any time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroka
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02-19-2019, 04:35 AMKyllandraCase in point. Why even bother writing a message like this? It's low effort and adds ZERO value to the conversation. You're not being creative if you just put some big ass eye sore up on your lawn to fill up the space so just stop. If you're only going to copy/paste what other people have already said and don't have anything of any real value to add, just don't bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by fumofu
Wouldn't it be awesome if you could put a small house on a medium or large plot? I don't need a large house, but I would love to have a front and back yard. As for the servers, there are loads of topics on the matter. The general consensus seems to read like the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroka
"I wish I could answer positively but it becomes clearer with every patch that the current servers & clients just aren't capable of doing much better than they are already. The cracks are showing & the development team have mentioned that past decisions made in haste are coming back to haunt them." - a reddit user
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02-19-2019, 04:38 AMKyllandraThat's really cute! And I actually like that grass fence. Can I use that in Mist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Felinchen
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02-19-2019, 04:46 AMInkstainedGwynUnfortunately, currently only "area" fences can be used within that same area. Mist gets: Riviera Fence, Riviera Stone Wall, Riviera Picket Wall, and Riviera Roofed Wall. You should be able to find some information here, although it seems like most of the actual pictures they have are for glade fences.Quote:
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02-19-2019, 04:57 AMFelinchen
Well even if I repeat what Gwyn already said... yea unfortunately you can only use the Riviera styled fences.
But I found out that I can use the Awnings from Oasis and Riviera in the Lavernder Beds o_O So I really think SE should make that possible. But I find some fences for the Mist also very very nice. :) I hope you find one, that you like. -
02-19-2019, 05:07 AMInkstainedGwyn100%. Restrictions were stupid from the beginning, and have become even more so as we add housing skins to the table that are allowed to be used in any area - but several of which are already "area" themed, like the Shirogane castle walls and the odder otter house. It makes sense to allow all styles from a lore point of view, too, since every single "housing area access" quest has the same plot: "Local area wishes to stimulate economy, invites adventurers from other areas to live there. Locals need not apply." And... adventurers aren't going to want to build houses that remind them of their homes or places they've been? That makes no sense.Quote:
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02-19-2019, 05:39 AMAivi_lo
I need more outside storage space! I love changing my garden to match the seasons and events, but man that's a lot of stuff!