Samurai Job = DPS Job

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Originally Posted by DarkStar

Even outside those two examples, setting a character up with the heaviest armor possible means that whenever the monster decides to attack that particular character, they won't be doing much damage, making it easier for your Designated Healer to keep the party topped up.

On topic, I have mixed feelings about SAM being a DPS job. On the one hand, it wouldn't really feel right, standing at the flanks or behind your opponent and desperately hoping you don't attract their attention. On the other hand, Woo, sword-wielding DPS job, finally!

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That actually sounds like it would be interesting; SAM as a DPS that stands in front of the boss with the tanks? They could bring back the Third Eye ability from XI, introducing that as a mechanic for SAM as a DPS: use Third Eye to dodge Mountain Buster-type abilities, and gain a huge damage bonus when face-to-face with your target.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

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Well Samurai is more about the Far East and Rogue/Ninja was introduced to fit into the lore on how members of a Ninja Village moved into Eorzea after escaping the Far East.

They are most likely waiting for a proper time to introduce a Lore reason for the arrival of SAM which can either be sometime in 3.X era, 4.0, or when ever they see fit to start going deeper into Far East lore or the update that give us access into the Far East.

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As for the idea of SAM chance of being a Tank it possible since the original plan was to make SAM the Tank Job of 3.0 but then they switched it to Dark knight.

However, we must consider the game also lacks another DPS Job that can use Mail Armor since currently Dragoon is the only Job that uses Mail Armor.

Every other DPS Job currently been slapped into Leather Armor or Cloth Armor which is common considering FF series has a lot of DPS Jobs that is based around them being Leather or cloth armor users.

SAM being a DPS Job is also possible since it can also fit into being another DPS Mail Armor user but can also be a new Tank Job to add another Tank into the game.

Either way it a 50/50 for what SAM will be until farther announcements.

this is why i hate premature claims. "feels more like a dps"
forums: SAM IS A DPS CONFIRMED.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

this is why i hate premature claims. "feels more like a dps"
forums: SAM IS A DPS CONFIRMED.

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Yeah it feels like that Half Life 3 joke, only even more run into the ground

I'm not really surprised. The game seems to follow the idea that Heavy Armor makes a tank and light armor makes DPS. It really doesn't make sense for Samurai to be tanks while following that approach.

I'm very excited to play Samurai. If nothing else, because having two Japanese-themed jobs in the game will hopefully lead to eastern themed clothing and housing items.

I'd be ok with Samurai being a dual Role job. Perhaps even in the form of a Shield Oath / Defiance type buff.

If that breaks the Duty Finder, maybe have 2 different Job Crystals (Or however they will be handling the new class free Jobs), Samurai being the honor bound Tank, Ronin being the DPS.

Samurai's ability: Break your Nexus to have it 1 shot Nael, then you can start grinding your relic from the beginning again~

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Originally Posted by Neri

Samurai's ability: Break your Nexus to have it 1 shot Nael, then you can start grinding your relic from the beginning again~

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Then you can repeat it 4 more time to finish Coil
#PleaseLookForwardToIt

Mained it in FFXI, there was no doubt it would be my main job. Wouldn't mind if they would make ita tank now. I still have hope. xD

I woulda figured sam to be more of a tank than drk. But this is a different
FF and doesnt have to hold true to past experiences. As long as they make
things both fun and functional, they can continue to explore, expand, and
experiment.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

I woulda figured sam to be more of a tank than drk. But this is a different
FF and doesnt have to hold true to past experiences. As long as they make
things both fun and functional, they can continue to explore, expand, and
experiment.

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One thing I really hope that SE will one day perform is to successfully make these Stand Alone Jobs have the ability to take up 2 different Job Roles.

A interesting example is to provide SAM with 1 starting attack skill and 2 Battle Stances in level 1 with 1 stance adjusting the SAM Skills to be Tank Skills and the 2nd stance adjusting SAM skills into being DD Skills. Depending on which Stance the SAM is in will determine what effects certain Skills will have and may even adjust some attack animation to reflect the Tank Stance and DD Stance.

Though this is just a example I thought up so don't take it seriously.

FFXI: Ninja (DPS?) - FFXIV: Ninja (DPS)
FFXI: Dark Knight (DPS) - FFXIV: Dark Knight (tank)
FFXI: Samurai (tank?) - FFXIV: Samurai (????)

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Originally Posted by Exstal

FFXI: Ninja (DPS?) - FFXIV: Ninja (DPS)
FFXI: Dark Knight (DPS) - FFXIV: Dark Knight (tank)
FFXI: Samurai (tank?) - FFXIV: Samurai (????)

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Samurai is a DPS in XI, they did originally design it at a tank that focused on parrying but they left that on the cutting room floor and had it focus on Weapon Skills (skills that came from the weapon type the weapon you were using).
Ninja is a DPS as well but they can also be used an Avoidance Tank, using evasion and shields to avoid damage. Ninja is also one of the best jobs to use as a sub-job.

FFXI =/= FFXIV it will be nice to remember it...

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

FFXI =/= FFXIV it will be nice to remember it...

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We're all well aware of that fact. Just stating the facts. :B

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Samurai is a DPS in XI, they did originally design it at a tank that focused on parrying but they left that on the cutting room floor and had it focus on Weapon Skills (skills that came from the weapon type the weapon you were using).
Ninja is a DPS as well but they can also be used an Avoidance Tank, using evasion and shields to avoid damage. Ninja is also one of the best jobs to use as a sub-job.

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I was more alluding to the fact that classes that were used one way became the opposing role;

Ninja, somehow as a tank => DPS in FFXIV
DRK, dps => tank in FFXIV
SAM, supposed to be tank => (let's hope Naoki follows through) DPS in FFXIV

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off-topic but what the heck, Ishgard was in the name of the expansion in JP? Why not in english? I hate when the localization team goes batty and comes up with some random name for things. It ends up sucking bad...no offense to anyone that likes the name, but it just sounds so lazy. sounds like they just asked people to think of any random name they thought sounded cool and put it in a hat to be drawn.

on topic, I guess its cool they may release sam in the future.

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The Japanese title for the game translates as "The Blue Skies of Ishgard" which, in my opinion, is a much better name than "Heavensward". But I might just be used to the longer names from the FFXI expansions...

I see this has been addressed already, a few times. Mah bad! That's what I get for not reading the whole post and just responding at-will. :P

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Originally Posted by Edeline

Now you have to understand that every Final Fantasy is different and things may vary. They keep their dark theme with dark magic, knight armor, skill names(?) even, but what does it make it that DRK has to be >exclusively< a DPS in every FF.

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How about the fact that their major 'trick' is sacrificing HP for extra damage? Yeah... that just screams 'tank' right off the bat doesn't it? Cecil's Darkness skill eats 10% of their HP to double his own attack or deal heavy damage to all enemies, depending if you play the old or new version. If that isn't a DPS skill, then I'm not sure what is. EVERY incarnation of the Dark Knight has this ability so not having it would be just giving the Dark Knight name to another class.

Additionally, there has been equipment for previous Dark Knights which sacrificed your DEFENCE in exchange for OFFENSE. Even the Dissidia 012 job card had this trait. So... tell me again how Dark Knight is supposed to be a tank.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

So... tell me again how Dark Knight is supposed to be a tank.

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A Tank is one defined as holding the attention of hostile targets so the squishier Party Members can do their job.
The PLD Tanks with a Shield to mitigate damage.
The WAR tanks with his face and uses his anger to shrug off/ignore damage (Thats how i imagine Inner Beast XD)
The DRK could well utilize his sheer destructive force to terrorize his targets into dealing less damage. I could well imagine a DRK Sacrificing 10% his HP to fuel a spell which caused affected targets to deal 30% less damage to the DRK. Theres ways and means to make it work.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

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can we stop this? can we stop to compare solo game to mmorpg game?
anyway, a dark knight is scary presence that no one can ignore, that the point of why it's a tank! it will have probably spell and skill that will cripples the enemy or scare them. it can even be a evasive tank with a sort of dark mantle, shrouding him in darkness and making him harder to hit.

and another point, a dps that will sacrify him hp for deal more damage will be a pain for the healer and most raid will simply say: "no thanks sir!" even if it's the best dps of the game! because if you are a dps, you can't really stand a hit... then reduce hp for deal more damage can be a bit.... a trouble!

I love it. Greatsword is my favorite weapon, and I was hoping for Dark Knight to be DPS, but when he was announced as a tank I was disappointed. The katana is my second favorite and thus, I am very happy that Yoshi-P is leaning toward DPS. I have two DPS classes and while I am playing a tank right now, I can be honest in saying I am a much better DPS.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person that doesn't care what they make it as long as it gets added at all.

There's no need to make every 2h class one role, sam should be dps, we already have 2 sword classes as tanks

I don't want a samurai job. What would it be ? like ninja ? get a weapon called "sasuke". No thanks. People can't master their own jobs already, why do we need more ?

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

I don't want a samurai job. What would it be ? like ninja ? get a weapon called "sasuke". No thanks. People can't master their own jobs already, why do we need more ?

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For more variety and for those of us who actually take pride in our jobs? I personally feel I have mastered the few jobs I have gotten to 60. Plus I've never heard of any mmo where someone says "Man...we got to many choices" If there is one, please let me know, may interest me. :D

Personally, to me it feels backwards.
The job that felt like it should have been a DPS was turned into a tank class, and the job that feels like it should have been a tank is going to be a DPS class.

Nothing is set in stone yet. If Red Mage and Samurai are released at the same time and Red Mage is a dps then Samurai will most likely be a tank. Releasing two dps jobs at the same time seems like a bad idea. Of course it's very possible that Samurai could be the dps job and Red Mage could be a tank. Looking at how Summoner and Bard are implemented in this game anything is possible at this point.

If they from now on go with 2 jobs per expansion, it will probably be a dps/tank combo or a dps/healer combo, switching off every new expansion.

Wow didn't think this thread would be brought back from the dead....

Back on topic:

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

I don't want a samurai job. What would it be ? like ninja ? get a weapon called "sasuke". No thanks. People can't master their own jobs already, why do we need more ?

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The are other reason for having multiple different type of jobs that use different weapon and gameplay styles.

1) People seek to play a Job they feel suits them more.

2) RPing reasons.

3) Players seek to use a Job that fit into their requirements.

4) gameplay style may be better adjust to them than other Jobs thus they play better as that Job.

and etc.

For me a Sword User DPS Job has been what I've been looking to play since FF14 started.

Well, if we take into account that Red Mages in the FF series are able to use both whm and blm as well as melee this could quite possibly be the first true hybrid class ive seen in the game. If this were the case then I could see them implementing sam as dps without worry of the 1 tank 1 dps per expansion argument.

But what will Red Mage be?!

I bet it's going to be a healer.

All I want in life is such:

Samurai-Tank
Red Mage-DPS
Dancer-Healer

I can't imagine a samurai attacking an opponent from behind :eek:

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Originally Posted by ChexMix

I can't imagine a samurai attacking an opponent from behind :eek:

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Why don`t, in real life and history they were really dirty and greedy high class scum who kept on betraying each other and doing all kind of treacherous things to get an advantage over others. Ninjas on the other hand... Most loyal servants ever.

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All I want in life is such:

Samurai-Tank
Red Mage-DPS
Dancer-Healer

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I also want dancer, always though it'd be a nice alternate off rogue...

I just want a DPS class that uses a sword as a weapon. I'm getting really annoyed that every time they add a new sword-wielding class, it's always a tank.

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Originally Posted by Drako

off-topic but what the heck, Ishgard was in the name of the expansion in JP? Why not in english? I hate when the localization team goes batty and comes up with some random name for things. It ends up sucking bad...no offense to anyone that likes the name, but it just sounds so lazy. sounds like they just asked people to think of any random name they thought sounded cool and put it in a hat to be drawn.

on topic, I guess its cool they may release sam in the future.

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To be fair, I believe that the team that writes the lore and stuff does it in English first, so I believe the Japanese version is actually the one that ended up changed no?

ANYWHO

;___; I want SAM tank... Though I'd also be happy if they like made another class and made it like ACN/SCH/SAM where you could do both~

I would prefer seeing Samurai as a tank and Red Mage as the sword dps.

I like to see them as brave far east knights who protect their lords. Attacking enemies from behind next to a Ninja would seem really weird for me. It would be nice for Doma to have a tank representative since they already have dps covered with Ninja. (A healer would be neat also)

Red Mage will most likely without a doubt be a sword dps.

not to sound rude but if SAM does not become the 2nd DPS Job that uses Mail armor, since people want Sam as a Tank, then what would be the 2nd Job that use Mail armor or must Dragoon be the only Job that use Mail Armor and all future DPS job can only use cloth and leather armor only?

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While Sam may fit for a tank the Protection of their Lords it does not always mean taking the hits for them but to aim at eliminating the threat directly. Their weapon of choice, being japanese swords, were often better maintained than their armor.

Weapons like the katana was chosen as the weapon of choice not because of defense but because it provided quick reaction to kill their enemies which would fit the theme of SAM being a DPS if Yoshi-p choose to make it a DPS.

Samurai should be a Tanks such as War, with a stance to increase it's damage out put. He can wield heavy armors, so tank seems like a better role. Tohya from Log Horizon is a Samurai tank, so is not usual to see Samurai tanking as it is a front line job.