We definitely need a Puppetmaster Job in this game!

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Originally Posted by Aegis

But did it really? Were tanks unable to get in any party? I imagine Tanks were still more in demand than say, BLM.

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You're trying too hard to ignore the fact that people were using Titan to bypass a mechanic of the fight itself. That's why they had to do what they needed to do with it. Yes, people were excluding tanks because WAR and PLD could not ignore Ramuh's mechanics. What the devs simply did is nip it in the bud before people started getting too used to pulling things like that, as innaction in such a situation would lead to bigger problems. It's small scale compared to Utsusemi tanking and Reckoning Bomb, but that does not exclude it from being dealt with.

BOOO pup is lame.

RDM PLEASE
Dammit duelle I hate you, since you posted above me I have to clarify what I mean by RDM.
I do not want FFXI RDM presay, I need a balance between melee/caster support with a wide range of options in cross skill classes.
If im going to suffer shitty combat at least let me have options to change it up in and out of combat.
No one else think it would be sexy to go from dropping misma on some unlucky whm and beating him to death to dropping a shield bash on some sch mid fight while in stylish red?

I want the JESUS with less GOD mode.

Pup > all

I'd love for pup, but then I think what SE does to some jobs in XIV and realize, I might not want it because it'll be ruined :/

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

They couldn't even make Summoner a proper pet class, you think they even have a hope of hell in managing PUP?

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#butactuallythis

The way they've responded to requests to make SMN more pet reliant and complex gives me very little faith for a heavily reliant pet job like PUP would be. Unless you'd ok with 75% damage of a MNK and the other 25% being the niche puppet damage with 4 skills, I doubt they'll implement it any better.

That being said...Ninja's mudras seem fun and (on the outside anyway) the most complex additions to a job class, maybe there is some hope...eventually.

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Originally Posted by Muzetta

Something something too complicated for players, something something. Probably also known as "We're too lazy to put effort into this class/job so goodbye".

Who knows, maybe we'll see it someday but if SE keeps going on about their "making this MMO accessible for everyone" it's probably not very likely :/

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Ninja is supposed to be the most complicated class in the game...so if that is received very well...maybe there is potential for this class yet :D

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Originally Posted by Aegis

Yeah, like they patched out Titan tanking Ramuh.

This game needs at some point to start getting complicated, to start allowing players to 'break it' slightly through unforseen consequences. They need to start letting some control slip to players. I don't want to hear about the party that managed to squeeze enough DPS to beat x boss. I wanna hear about the one SCH killing him over 4 hours, or the SMN duo pet-swapping to a win. If it's ridiculously easy, then patch it out. If it showed skill and cunning let it stand.

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Okay.
So how about the team of 8 black mages that killed King Mog HM without a single healer in the group? The team that used Titan-egi to tank the King on Thornmarch EX to allow for a "three-tank" setup with no need to deal with the tank-swap mechanic? Turn 2 Enrage? The 2 SMN + 2 SCH team that 4-manned Leviathan Extreme? I don't see Square patching out any of those.
I'm really getting tired of people bringing this one up. The Titan strat was patched out because at implementation, Ramuh could not kill Titan-egi. This led to a majority of parties deliberately and aggressively excluding any and all tanks from Ramuh EX and playing the fight in such a way that the fight was ludicrously simple. There are -plenty- of neat strategies players are more than welcome to come up with, stop using one example that players were using to shut two whole jobs out of endgame content to further your absurd claims that "Square doesn't want people going off-script".

I would love to see pup implemented. Doesn't really have to be like FFXI just the general concept would be awesome.

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

They couldn't even make Summoner a proper pet class, you think they even have a hope of hell in managing PUP?

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at least there is hope for it. they received a lot of negative response about SMN... at least they try to improve SMN now..

so well the course is not lost. at least there is a chance that PUPP could be a much better pet class than SMN.


I like the idea of giving the players pet commands, like a regular skill. Which for example the Summoner in AION had, that worked perfect.

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I would love to see pup implemented. Doesn't really have to be like FFXI just the general concept would be awesome.

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for me the same, exactly ;)

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Originally Posted by LTEvil

BOOO pup is lame.

RDM PLEASE

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And RDM was a poor crossover between Gladiator and BLM... wow... fire I-IV spells... so "Special"..... and not "lame" ... XD

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Originally Posted by Brine_Gildchaff

The 2 SMN + 2 SCH team that 4-manned Leviathan Extreme? I don't see Square patching out any of those.

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There are -plenty- of neat strategies players are more than welcome to come up with, stop using one example that players were using to shut two whole jobs out of endgame content to further your absurd claims that "Square doesn't want people going off-script".

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Isn't 2xSCH + 2xSMN also shutting jobs out of endgame? I'm not following your logic.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

Isn't 2xSCH + 2xSMN also shutting jobs out of endgame? I'm not following your logic.

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You're not recognizing the difference between "let's 4 man leviathan with SCHs and SMNs for shits and giggles" and "Running Ramuh EX. No tanks. Let's ignore the current content's mechanics because not having a tank and using a pet that the boss cannot kill makes the fight a lot easier".

Novelty comps are okay. The novelty goes away when those become the norm and people get excluded as a result. Big difference.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

And RDM was a poor crossover between Gladiator and BLM

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My sig. Read it. blah blah blah. >.>

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Originally Posted by Duelle

You're not recognizing the difference between "let's 4 man leviathan with SCHs and SMNs for shits and giggles" and "Running Ramuh EX. No tanks. Let's ignore the current content's mechanics because not having a tank and using a pet that the boss cannot kill makes the fight a lot easier".

Novelty comps are okay. The novelty goes away when those become the norm and people get excluded as a result. Big difference.

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So if SCH/SMN comps become the norm and people get excluded they should be balanced out? Where do you draw the line?

There's no real difference between the statement
"let's 4 man leviathan with SCHs and SMNs"
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"Running Levi Ex. SCH/SMN only. No Tanks"

We ignore content mechanics all the time. We pushed DPS through Demon Wall to avoid the bugs, We timed out and healed through Turn 2 to avoid having to pass rot, we LoS in Turn 7.

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We ignore content mechanics all the time. We pushed DPS through Demon Wall to avoid the bugs, We timed out and healed through Turn 2 to avoid having to pass rot, we LoS in Turn 7.

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People weren't kicking non-MNK/DRG DPS from AK runs to bypass demon wall adds through LB, and by the time you could push DPS you were outgearing the instance.

Turn 2's thing became common after that was considered old content and players outgeared the content itself, which is pretty much the only reason it was not patched the way Ramuh EX was. Would have been a different story if that had become common within a week after launch.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Turn 2's thing became common after that was considered old content and players outgeared the content itself,

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What? it was BIS equip and the highest raid content in the game at the time. There was nothing newer or with better rewards. Once higher raid content was introduced Turn 2 has been ignored pretty much completely.

But I think we're derailing a Pup thread here. We can agree to disagree and let it drop, I think?

I would love to see all the ffxi jobs end up in ffxiv tbh. (and many of the abilites and spells)
I really love my BLU and BST.

IF they could improve the pet UI , bst to me would be an awsome addition, but they would need to add decent abilities like snarl...and something as simple as being able to send the pet in first lol (cant believe that is not in this game :rolleyes: ...sheeesh)

I support any job addition..the more the merrier