Dungeons: level caps?

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Deja-vu. The same discussion, and the same stupid arguments on both sides.
Just like a few weeks ago.

Bump:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ht=compilation

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yep
whats funny is there are 2 shouts going on in town right now(2 seperate parties), looking for the dungeon access, with only rank 25-30 allowed for it

looks like everyone wants to steamroll it to me!

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Because setting proper sync attributes to all the items in the game is so much easier than just make *dungeon* scale with levels, right?

Talk about a lopsided solution. Next please.

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It has already been implemented.

Syncing is better than scaling, too. Many times so.

Don't ask me why people trade efficience for fun - I guess that's the nature of MMO players.
But such systems don't breed happiness or satisfaction.
Easy kills never do.
Unless you are really, really depraved.

Well, I would choose to steamroll it, too.
Because it is fun - no.
But because it is effective.

Some things are for the developers to consider; one of those things is the nature of their players.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Don't ask me why people trade efficience for fun - I guess that's the nature of MMO players.
But such systems don't breed happiness or satisfaction.
Easy kills never do.
Unless you are really, really depraved.

Well, I would choose to steamroll it, too.
Because it is fun - no.
But because it is effective.

Some things are for the developers to consider; one of those things is the nature of their players.

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fun is subjective, whats fun for you obviously wont be fun for everyone

Players impose a cap if they want or at worst player stat's are reduced to the Lv cap.
Baring players who only have R30/35+ classes from going again isn't a great idea.

What if people need help and no one has a class low/hi enough they have to just not ever go if they want to do it with friends? Great plan.. lol

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On the fun subject for mobs..
I'd love to see mobs scale so you get more skills as you rank but what is hard stays relatively hard all the time, no Lv1 mobs or Lv50, Just mobs on a scale from solo easy to group hard.
If you have Rank 1 players they can still do it they are just far less effective as they lack skills/moves/buffs/armour.

Do not cap the low level raids those quest are repeatable... If i want to just get those points so i can skill up crafting faster this is the only way i can do it intill they add repeatable quests. Im rank 50 not rank 25 so it SHOULD be easier for me. If i want a raid to test my skill ....(pause) i will do the raid at my level... not to hard to understand.

Ninja Edit: Sometimes running through low level content is fun. Some people do not want a challeng ever second in a MMO that i will play for years to come. Sometimes its fun to just get your friends and completely destroy content to get the points we need for other content. SE needs to make this game FUN and that does not always mean "difficult" or "Time Consuming" you people need to get that.

WOW was not always dufficult or time consuming (some parts was some wer not) but FF11 was and we see the difference in subs for those games... Case closed.

again, if I'm just gear farming, I'm not looking for "fun" or a "challenge." I'm going in with the intent to acquire gear. I'm not looking for a challenge, sp, fun or whatever. I'm going in that dungeon looking for a specific piece of gear and I'm going to go the most efficient route to getting that gear. In FFXI, going for the lu Shang's rod, did you fish up all 10k moat carp? If you did, you're crazy.

Esk, look at the other thread. Pro argument side is for a FFXI-style cap (which is actually more like a forced synch).

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fun is subjective, whats fun for you obviously wont be fun for everyone

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Just that in an MMO, there is no seperate instances of unrelated players. Making a thing more fun for one side makes it less so for another. Oh come on, we already had that one in the other thread, didn't we ~.-/?

@Dubont
What if your only possibility to "farm" gear would include fun?

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

@Dubont
What if your only possibility to "farm" gear would include fun?

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if there is only 1 possibility, then I would be forced to go with it, but currently, I can farm the dungeon at 50 if I want gear. If I want fun or a challenge, I go in at 30. I've done around 7 r25 runs. 4 of them have been for gear farming at r50 while the other 3 have been for the "challenge" aspect. The dungeon isn't even a challenge, but hey, that's my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Please do this.

The game has different rules from other MMO's. The dungeons as such need different rules as well.

There is nothing wrong with level caps. Nada. Zit.

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You forgot to add "In My opinion" Because theres 2 pages of people stating problems.

@Dubont
Although I do not agree with you on the topic at hand, I understand your arguments and consider them completely valid. Personally, I preferred the BCNMs of FFXI that synched you down to the ...respective... level, and "forced" you to face a challenge. But meh. I'll be able to cope.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

There is nothing wrong with level caps. Nada. Zit.

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Nothing wrong with not having level cap either. :rolleyes:

I would prefer level sync available in the dungeons (and across the whole world), which pretty much lets you choose if you want to scale to low lvl party member or do whatever it is you're doing as high level.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

@Dubont
Although I do not agree with you on the topic at hand, I understand your arguments and consider them completely valid. Personally, I preferred the BCNMs of FFXI that synched you down to the ...respective... level, and "forced" you to face a challenge. But meh. I'll be able to cope.

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I enjoyed BCNMs as well, but BCNMs were just a fight and didn't involve actually fighting through waves of mobs. A similar FFXI reference to the dungeons would be Dynamis.

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Originally Posted by Zacko

Nothing wrong with not having level cap either. :rolleyes:

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Making content obsolete, impossible to not-steamroll through (players aren't going to make things harder for themselves voluntarily, this isn't magical never-land) aside, yes, nothing wrong with it.

They may as well not put any pre-50 content in the game at all.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Making content obsolete, impossible to not-steamroll through (players aren't going to make things harder for themselves voluntarily, this isn't magical never-land) aside, yes, nothing wrong with it.

They may as well not put any pre-50 content in the game at all.

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thats why most people want the cap/synch
cuz they want everything to be relevent at 50

we dont need that, what we need is just more content in general

who cares? If you don't want to do it with 50s then don't! It's easy to grab 3 other people in that range and go in. Why the heck is everyone always so worried about what others are doing? That's the way my girls are and they are 5 and 9 years old.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Esk, look at the other thread. Pro argument side is for a FFXI-style cap (which is actually more like a forced synch).

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As long as it doesn't mean carrying any extra gear for that Rank, or having to play a class that is the right rank just cos it'd be fine then.

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Originally Posted by Esk

As long as it doesn't mean carrying any extra gear for that Rank, or having to play a class that is the right rank just cos it'd be fine then.

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but itl mean having to repair that rank 50 gear every time cuz itl wear down for you being underleveled for it

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Originally Posted by indira

they need caps in stuff like this or it just kills the purpose.

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yeah...because a rank 25 dungeon really has a purpose in a game that doesn't take long to rank out of the gear obtained in it. if people want to run it at appropriate ranks then they will do that, no one is forcing you to team up with high levels.

I'd like level cap BUT I'd like to be able to solo these with no cap at all.

Getting a pt together with the current population is a rare occurrence.

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Originally Posted by Seif

I'd like level cap BUT I'd like to be able to solo these with no cap at all.

Getting a pt together with the current population is a rare occurrence.

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your obviously not playing if you think its rare

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

your obviously not playing if you think its rare

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I also don't see PTs running around either. I hear it's easier to find pts for the R50 dungeon? I haven't tried that myself because I sort of want to use this character as my main now and it'll be a long time before I get there, which is okay I'm not in a rush =)

I'd like to see them make it so once you enter a dungeon you can't change class or skills around anymore so you have to enter the dungeon with "What you bring is all you get" type mentality.

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Originally Posted by Seif

I also don't see PTs running around either. I hear it's easier to find pts for the R50 dungeon? I haven't tried that myself because I sort of want to use this character as my main now and it'll be a long time before I get there, which is okay I'm not in a rush =)

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I made a party every night or when I want to party and I get people within 30 mins, Getting a party isn't hard " Especially when I been seeing new players as of late"

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Originally Posted by Saidin

I do not believe i have seen anything mentioned about this so far.. but why is there no level cap for the 35 dungeon and such? it gets kind of ridiculous if R50's are just able to switch over quick and kill the boss if they are having a hard time.. forcing a level cap would not be hard either considering gear scales as is, and you would not need specific gear for that level..
it basically loses all challenge and you just have higher LS mates run you through it to get the gear.

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It sucks when you have someone r50 cut your skill points in half just because you want a piece of gear that doesn't always drop. But either way some people are really in it for the gear...

The boss is easy enough with 4 25's if you have a half assed pt (You don't even need a mage/healer lmao). Caps limit freedom and Yoshi already stated he wanted freedom to be a big part of the new changes... soooo... not going to happen >.<

Plus any party that "Needs" players to switch classes at end boss or above rank 30 are pretty sad already... These people not learning to play or conquer something as easy as Toto will never get better, that's punishment enough LoL If anything they need to add the restriction of not changing classes while inside dungeons :P But dunno if they would even do that >.>

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

but itl mean having to repair that rank 50 gear every time cuz itl wear down for you being underleveled for it

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Then no I do much prefer my idea of just placing a limit on the stats over actually having my rank reduced, meaning not being able to use gear/rank/skills which I have (as the new gear has a min requirement).
Actually reducing the rank of my char to the cap is almost as bad as the limit idea.

A pure stat reduction would leave the dungeon easier then doing it at R25 but the reduced stats would still mean it is somewhat of a challenged all be it not as much.
But that would make more sense, given I go to the dungeon and I suddenly cant use my good gear and i forget how to do Several skills?
Ok its a game but still seems a bit of a meh idea..

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Originally Posted by buritoslicer

It sucks when you have someone r50 cut your skill points in half just because you want a piece of gear that doesn't always drop. But either way some people are really in it for the gear...

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then don't run with 50s....

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Originally Posted by Dubont

then don't run with 50s....

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its so hard for people to understand that isnt it

ive now seen 4 parties form since this thread opened this morning in uldah that didnt allow anyone higher then 35 to go
amazing how that happens isnt it