PS4 Versus PC

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Originally Posted by Kayo

A console game can also be optimized way more than a PC. A PC with specs comparable to a PS4 cannot play games with as high settings as PS4. Probably applies more for games like Infamous than FFXIV but consoles do have their advantages, aside from having a much larger game library.

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That's all a lie.
I've ran more games than I can count on an inferior GPU/CPU than what the PS4 has, at 1050-1080P with no issues at 60+ FPS (This my old system from nearly 5 years ago).
The times it'd struggle, a little do it yourself overclock and you're back in the game.
And they do not have a larger library. PC has backward compatibility ranging back to early 1990's and can emulate almost every single console up to the last generation of consoles. So...

A decent build gaming pc can keep up with ps4. An SLI I7 16-32 gb pc blows ps4 out of the water. I have ps4 and a build pc. Load times are faster on pc and on screen display and speed is faster on pc.

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Originally Posted by Tashigi

That's all a lie.
I've ran more games than I can count on an inferior GPU/CPU than what the PS4 has, at 1050-1080P with no issues at 60+ FPS (This my old system from nearly 5 years ago).
The times it'd struggle, a little do it yourself overclock and you're back in the game.
And they do not have a larger library. PC has backward compatibility ranging back to early 1990's and can emulate almost every single console up to the last generation of consoles. So...

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Correct. The only thing that can be upgraded in a PS4 is the hard drive.

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Originally Posted by Tashigi

That's all a lie.
I've ran more games than I can count on an inferior GPU/CPU than what the PS4 has, at 1050-1080P with no issues at 60+ FPS (This my old system from nearly 5 years ago).
The times it'd struggle, a little do it yourself overclock and you're back in the game.
And they do not have a larger library. PC has backward compatibility ranging back to early 1990's and can emulate almost every single console up to the last generation of consoles. So...

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Tell that to my old sherlock games for PC that I had to dig my old windows 98 laptop out to play, even compatibility mode says gtfo :(

as far as the topic goes I play on both I dont see any extrmely noticable difference between my PC and PS4, is a PC going to be better sure but a PC that can push this game with all the various graphics add-ons is going to run a person a lot more and its going to run them even more if the person isnt comfortable building it themselves (I know god have mercy on my soul I dont like to build PC's). If you just want to play the game the PS4 is just as good as a more expensive PC that you pick up at the store. Enjoy the damn game and let the war go because in the end we all love this game and without eachother there would be no game or a lot less of one due to the lack of sub money.

I never understood the PC vs PS4 debate. PS4 is a budget machine

Drop $400 and be able to play games at medium-high settings with 25-60 fps right out of the box with no worry of compatibility, OS issues, etc etc. For your average gamer, this is exactly what they want.

For PC, you drop any range of amount from $600-$2000, and can get variable results from low to ultra-high settings with 90-120fps constant. It requires more upkeep, a little tweaking, but the benefit exists. Your average gamer won't care about this.

Honestly, the only reason I would tell someone to stay away from the PS4 version is the keyboard lag. Otherwise, despite being part of the "PC master race", I would quickly recommend a PS4 to any new gamer on a budget who wants FF14.

I heard IBM's Big Blue called Sony's PS3 a little bitch.

/popcorn

Never had any issue with my PS4 or the $25 wireless keyboard I bought for it. I didn't buy a PS4 to play with a keyboard, I have a PC for that. I just use it for typing and see no lag on it. The only time I see lag with the game its because of the internet not the console. I'll see the connection meter on my laptop drop and thats when I will see slight chop on the game.

omg. Didn't realize this would set off a big spark. So my intention was not to say one is better than the other. I just wanted to post for those that were thinking about going from a PC to a PS4 or use both so they know the differences. I did have a higher expectation from the PS4 in regards to a keyboard. Again that is a personal choice. Many like the controller and honestly the controller is great and no problems but I like to chat a lot in these online games and a controller is just not good for that. But even if I use the controller and use the keyboard for typing, half the time it skips letters and again probably depends on how fast one types.

Anyway, not here to say the PS4 is bad as playing Need for Speed on it and its awesome and being able to hook up to a large TV with surround sound is a major bonus. I just wanted to be able to play on both systems. When heavy playing mode, want my PC but when light load, wanted to sit and just chat and play light load on my PS4.

Its understandable that PS4 is cheaper than a PC. As for Load times, I was simply compared default options to PC. Upgrading to a SSD is obviously going to be as fast or faster but that a additional cost also. Anyway, still going to enjoy both.

Didn't mean to offend any of the Console system owners :)

I play on PC and PS4. Got it on ps4 just the other week because my pc tends to overheat easily and I get very uncomfortable sitting at a desk for long periods (back issues), so now I have the ps4 set up next to my bed and it plays great. There is only minimal choppy graphics, and it's only in things like CT/ST. Im already used to playing with a gamepad and it really works great in 14. I get annoyed trying to use keyboard but I think thats because the particular one I have for ps4 has some extra buttons Im not used to being there.

I had it on ps3 too, but the game works so much better on ps4. Really it feels about the same as PC aside from some situations with a lot of people and effects going off. Load times dont feel all THAT much longer on ps4 like they did on ps3, and I dont really lag either.

Just a side note- you CAN hook a PC to a tv and play using a controller. In fact, PS4 controllers can be synced with some PCs, and of course they make Xbox 360 controllers for PC that I personally have used and work great.

I actually use my PC on my 55" whenever I feel like playing on my recliner. It's just like being on console, but with all the perks of the PC!

Ps4 with a keyboard for typing. And I find I play better than most pc players so there is that. I much prefer a console as I do not have the money to invest in a awesome computer so I would rather just play my console. That and I enjoy the exclusives.

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Originally Posted by Tashigi

That's all a lie.
I've ran more games than I can count on an inferior GPU/CPU than what the PS4 has, at 1050-1080P with no issues at 60+ FPS (This my old system from nearly 5 years ago).
The times it'd struggle, a little do it yourself overclock and you're back in the game.
And they do not have a larger library. PC has backward compatibility ranging back to early 1990's and can emulate almost every single console up to the last generation of consoles. So...

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lol, you PC Master Race trolls are hilarious. "Thats a lie because I said so and my 5 year old PC played 5 year old games at 1080p blah blah blah"

Yeah great, now play current games on it at near full settings like PS4 can, using 3 year old hardware. Or a game that looks as good as The Last of Us on a computer with PS3's hardware. Better yet play FFXIV on a computer with PS3's hardware. Oh right ... you cant... PS3 had a stripped down 7800GT (more or less) and the minimum PC requirements are 8800 or above. Should I mention the PS3 only had about 512MB total RAM? Or was it 256MB? Oh but im sure itll be a different story with PS4. Nope, my inferior $400 PS4 wont outlive your $400-$600 graphics card at all. :rolleyes:

As for the emulation, lol, you never hacked a console before have you? I can emulate games on my phone, whats your point? "No, PC has more games because it can emulate the consoles that played them 10-30 years ago!" (90's? wtf?) The fact of the matter (and my entire point) is that when it comes to playing MOST of the newest and greatest games coming out, PC players fall way behind either waiting for a port (*cough* GTA5 *cough*) or wishing they had the console to play it.

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Originally Posted by Kayo

Or a game that looks as good as The Last of Us on a computer with PS3's hardware. Better yet play FFXIV on a computer with PS3's hardware.

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Why would anyone do that? The PS3 is 8 years old, you can't even find a PC that old even if you tried. The whole point of PC is that you're not stuck for several years with whatever hardware some company thinks is good enough. You can buy better. Trying to purposefully scale down defeats that point.

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Originally Posted by Kayo

As for the emulation, lol, you never hacked a console before have you?

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The only console that had emulators was the original xbox and it had up to N64. Even ignoring emulators, PC has a huge library for the simple fact that its library doesn't reset like it does on consoles with every new generation. So you bought a bunch of PS3 games and now have a PS4? I hope they look good on the wall because that's where they're going to stay from now on. If I buy a new PC 4 years from now all my games I bought will still work.

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Originally Posted by xtro

In terms of graphics quality compared to PC. Same. I am running a AMD Radeon HD 7900 single card (which is old now) and no difference in quality of the game during normal play. However when you go into CT for example and start fighting KB, the PC is far more smoother. The screen is choppy on the PS4. It cant seem to handle too much going on. And before you ask, its not lag from the internet. Had 2 accounts logged into same fight. PC was fine, PS4 choppy. My bandwidth is 50MB Down and 15MB up just in case your thinking that.



Will keep playing to see what else there is.

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Umm what? Graphics the same? Yeah if you're playing 1080p... please, just stop.

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Originally Posted by xtro

So I still love to play my PC but my expectations for the PS4 was high due to all the hype. So I decided to try it out. Saw the video that showed the PS3, PS4 and PC graphics for FFXIV and said oh PC and PS4 look the same. But the keyboard is the biggest problem for me. I just cant believe that a slow Keyboard is acceptable to Sony. Either way, this is just for some information. I will still use both.

On the keyboard, I was using Wired. Gonna try wireless today.

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This is why you dont buy in to hype.......... Iv played games and watch movies people said it sucks ass and I loved them

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Originally Posted by AngelMoon

Umm what? Graphics the same? Yeah if you're playing 1080p... please, just stop.

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Might wanna reread

Well, remote play via Vita kinda trumps any minor performance advantage the PC may have for me. Nothing like being able to log in and take care of business on the go.

Wait... what are people arguing about again?

Just as an FYI, I have the PS4 version of Final Fantasy XIV as well as the PC version. I usually choose to play the PC version more often for a few reasons. Firstly, my kids are more likely to be watching TV, so using the PC means they can keep enjoying their toons. Secondly, having a keyboard I can use effectively makes chatting to people a lot easier. Thirdly, more space for my lovely skill icons.

I don't understand why people are arguing that one is better than the other for other arbitrary reasons. People who are claiming the PC version is 'uglier' clearly haven't actually played the PC version, or are doing so on a rubbish PC because it's actually a bit nicer. People who are claiming the PS4 version is 'ugly' clearly haven't played that either, since it really isn't. The difference really is marginal, but on PC at least I can see more of the action before it starts hiding characters.

Live and let live, guys.

Interesting argument....

Also playing both pc version and ps4 version (for my wife).
Honestly my pc version is better and smoother, but my pc cost at least 4, 5 ps4 while the quality gain is not really 4,5x anyway.

If you spend the same money on ps4 to buy a pc, I think then the pc ver will look uglier

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

Just a side note- you CAN hook a PC to a tv and play using a controller. In fact, PS4 controllers can be synced with some PCs, and of course they make Xbox 360 controllers for PC that I personally have used and work great.

I actually use my PC on my 55" whenever I feel like playing on my recliner. It's just like being on console, but with all the perks of the PC!

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This is the only way to go I think for a PC. Ever since I got my 52" flat screen and I hooked up the PC to it, I'll never go back to that little monitor. Though I don't play this game on the PC. I mainly use it for games that the console could never run the game the way the PC does.

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Originally Posted by Zileth

Might wanna reread

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Re-read what, he changed his post like 3-5 times.

PS4 with Hybrid SSD. I have no issues.

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Originally Posted by Kayo

More nonsense goes here.

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I guess if I am the PC Master Race, then you'll be the console peasant? I am okay with that.

The system I was refering to was 5 years old, playing current games, at near PS4 level of graphical fidelity (Including this game, FFXIV). If I was to compare it to the PS3, it would destroy it in every direction, as most PS3 games ran at 720P and some at even lower, with a constant 20-30 FPS in most games (with a few exceptions).
The system in question ran most games at 45+ FPS and often at 60+ despite the lower end components (Phenom II 555 BE, an 80 USD processor and a medium end GPU that costed me around 115 USD at the time; GTX 460 SE; throw in some overclocking and voila).
Not to mention, if I really felt like it, I could upgrade that old thing and it'll easily surpass every console in the market in a heartbeat; specially with overclocking options.

Yes, the Dreamcast and XBOX could emulate; totally limited to a couple of systems and that was that.
Big woop. Still didn't emulate a lot of games properly nor decently.

You'd have to be totally blind to the absurd amount of advantages that you gain by shelling out a few extra hundred dollars for a PC instead of locking yourself to a console environment.
Consoles only advantage: Dirt cheap on the consumer level. (Note: Consumer level; as the PS3 lost money in hardware sales until late 2012. Look it up before you start talking nonsense again).

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Originally Posted by Tashigi

Consoles only advantage: Dirt cheap on the consumer level. (Note: Consumer level; as the PS3 lost money in hardware sales until late 2012. Look it up before you start talking nonsense again).

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Console's offer far more convenience.

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Originally Posted by Edli

Why would anyone do that? The PS3 is 8 years old, you can't even find a PC that old even if you tried. The whole point of PC is that you're not stuck for several years with whatever hardware some company thinks is good enough. You can buy better. Trying to purposefully scale down defeats that point.



The only console that had emulators was the original xbox and it had up to N64. Even ignoring emulators, PC has a huge library for the simple fact that its library doesn't reset like it does on consoles with every new generation. So you bought a bunch of PS3 games and now have a PS4? I hope they look good on the wall because that's where they're going to stay from now on. If I buy a new PC 4 years from now all my games I bought will still work.

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my dreamcast that has super nintendo games would like a word with you.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Wait... what are people arguing about again?

Just as an FYI, I have the PS4 version of Final Fantasy XIV as well as the PC version. I usually choose to play the PC version more often for a few reasons. Firstly, my kids are more likely to be watching TV, so using the PC means they can keep enjoying their toons. Secondly, having a keyboard I can use effectively makes chatting to people a lot easier. Thirdly, more space for my lovely skill icons.


Live and let live, guys.

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while i agree with your first point, the second and third point can be done on ps4.

No problem when setup exactly the same as a PC I play on both depending where I am in the house have had the PS4 hooked up to the lcd m/k obviously if you have a 280x or 790 don't expect it to out perform a high end PC but since I have both I don't really care where I'm playing it.

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Originally Posted by Eggnook24

I heard IBM's Big Blue called Sony's PS3 a little bitch.

/popcorn

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The Cell processor in the PS3 was actually a fantastically powerful CPU. Sony's original idea what that everything would run on it, including graphics but the only problems was... no one knew how to program it to take full advantage. Oops! In the end the PS3 was a very impressive piece of technology but software development wasn't mature enough to fully take advantage of it. This cost Sony a lot of money. This is why current consoles use old proven PC tech.