Soldiery Rings - Remove Unique

The unique tag helps create diversity in gear. It's what makes Ramuh's melee ring (slightly) better than either of the two i110 rings. 110 is just a number and not even that special of a number to boot.

Why even have 2 rings?

The game treats it like one anyway. They should combine it like the Earrings slot.

IMO Belt should be treated as an accessory and be the 5th slot. Armor should be things that are actually visible, like shoulders:

[Head]........[neck]
[Shoulders]..[earrings]
[Hands].......[Wrist]
[Legs].........[rings]
[Feet].........[Belt]

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

I find it really frustrating that I cannot equip 2 rings of the same type & ilvl. The soldiery tome purchased rings should have the Unique status removed so that you can equip 2. Same goes for their upgraded counterparts.

Right now, I can get to i109 on my bard but no further without getting a coil ring or upgraded coil weapon. I could get to i110 by equipping a useless ring suited for another class but that's hardly worthwhile. At i100, there is the option of getting a REX ring but there is no option (other than coil that requires a static) for i110.

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Why does it matter? Why do you need to be 110?

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Originally Posted by CeeTwo

ScoB can be cleared in i95 gear by skilled players, if you aren't even doing ScoB let alone Savage coil, why do you want such high level gear?

So you can do expert roulette faster lolol?

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I am a little tire of the arugment but when you say 95, do u mean normal 95 gear or fully melded + melded hp accessory. They are two completely different story

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Originally Posted by Airikay

Why does it matter? Why do you need to be 110?

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Why not? The concept of gear progression (for whatever means, even if the person wont do any end-game content) is not new to MMOs.

Heck, you could even say i110 is not needed for second coil either, considering the entry gear you use is i90-i100.

why do you need i110 if you aren't doing coil? coil 2 especially lower turns do not require anywhere NEAR 110, nor does it require a static, i logged on last tuesday, joined a pf with my alt class (since my main has t6/t8 pieces) and bam 1 shot t6 with PF group, not static... no need for static, please stop saying this.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

Why not? The concept of gear progression (for whatever means, even if the person wont do any end-game content) is not new to MMOs.

Heck, you could even say i110 is not needed for second coil either, considering the entry gear you use is i90-i100.

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You're right, for the most part it's not needed. The point of the higher level of gear is for the NEXT tier of said content. Not that it's neccesarily needed, but it makes it much easier.

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Originally Posted by Nicco

why do you need i110 if you aren't doing coil? coil 2 especially lower turns do not require anywhere NEAR 110, nor does it require a static, i logged on last tuesday, joined a pf with my alt class (since my main has t6/t8 pieces) and bam 1 shot t6 with PF group, not static... no need for static, please stop saying this.

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Things are a BIT different from when 2.2 hit. Most people who pf on coil2 have a decent idea on what to expect by now, and not to mention hunt gears made it even easier on the dps check.

I was thinking more about this, wondering why ANY of the tome gear was unique and not just untradable? It doesn't make much sense - who cares if you spend your tomes on more than 1 of a piece that can't be sold or traded (notwithstanding my issue with the rings)?

I think the only reason the gear is coded this way is because SE will be changing it to a dungeon drop in the future (like they did with all the Darklight gear). Myth gear will go to dungeons and myth tomes will be scrapped. Then the same for Soldiery. Ignoring the fact that you can actually have 5 pieces of the same "Unique" gear (by giving one to each of your retainers to hold) it makes sense to have dungeon dropped gear unique to keep you from winning gear from people that don't already have it.

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Originally Posted by Defteros

drop an oil from ST, upgrade your soldiery ring, then equip another weathered soldiery ring of the same tipe.

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Did you not read the post?

Without the HA weapon, you can't reach average item level 110 without the coil ring since there's no alternative second i110 ring.

I can clear Turn 8 no problem but the ring doesn't drop for me. Until the game wants to stop being stubborn, I would never reach i110. There's this big misconception with coil drops. Just because you don't have a certain drop doesn't mean you aren't doing the content. It can also mean that you aren't lucky.

People are so obsessed over a number. This wouldn't even be a debate right now had they not put sands and oils on Hunts this early in the content cycle. They should have waited until 2.4 when people could try DFing SCoB.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

I was thinking more about this, wondering why ANY of the tome gear was unique and not just untradable? It doesn't make much sense - who cares if you spend your tomes on more than 1 of a piece that can't be sold or traded (notwithstanding my issue with the rings)?

I think the only reason the gear is coded this way is because SE will be changing it to a dungeon drop in the future (like they did with all the Darklight gear). Myth gear will go to dungeons and myth tomes will be scrapped. Then the same for Soldiery. Ignoring the fact that you can actually have 5 pieces of the same "Unique" gear (by giving one to each of your retainers to hold) it makes sense to have dungeon dropped gear unique to keep you from winning gear from people that don't already have it.

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Since you missed it the first time:

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

It's this way to encourage you to do content, not neglect it.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

BTW, it's very easy for me to get i110 by just equipping a ring that does very little for my job. Maybe the gloam ring for Det which is in short supply on brd equip.

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If being i110 is more important than doing your job properly, sure, equip the Gloam Ring.

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Originally Posted by Defteros

drop an oil from ST, upgrade your soldiery ring, then equip another weathered soldiery ring of the same tipe.

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Or just beat Ramuh EX.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

Since you missed it the first time:

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Thanks for repeating your post but I did actually see it the first time. Not sure how it adds anything to the new point that I made that you quoted. How exactly does making all tome gear Unique encourage you to do content?

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Originally Posted by Exstal

Explain why you think rings, that have been set in this way since 2.0, should be changed now. I will not accept, "I want my average item level to be i110" as an answer.

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How about "the coil ring sucks and I want something for my job that is a little more useful then just the 42 hp (3vit) it can give?"
Sorry, but the fending ring sucks and is barely above the level of being a downgrade. A second noct ring would be BIS at least with a 600+ parry build) since it is 19 acc (which gets me to the 502 acc for front facing mobs) vs 13 det which is kinda meh...

I am using the noct/weathered noct pair, but as with anyone else would prefer to be max ilvl.

Here is another reason:
Unique status on items that are bought is stupid. It makes sense that you cant sell or trade to limit the impact on the market, but not being able to buy two of them is stupid.

Just because something has been a certain way for a long time does not mean it wasn't stupid then too.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

Thanks for repeating your post but I did actually see it the first time. Not sure how it adds anything to the new point that I made that you quoted. How exactly does making all tome gear Unique encourage you to do content?

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duuurrrr maybe because if you want full i110 it encourages you to do coil?
Or if you're entitled/lazy I guess it encourages you to whine on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

As far as why people would want i110 if they're not doing coil, I think you're missing the entire concept behind games such as this. This game is nothing more than Pokemon in a fantasy setting. Gotta get em all. People keep playing the game in order to collect in-game stuff that has no real value in the real world. Don't get me wrong, I like the game (and liked Pokemon too for that matter).

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Basically, you are asking to be able to catch Mewtwo without beating the Elite Four.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

People are so obsessed over a number. This wouldn't even be a debate right now had they not put sands and oils on Hunts this early in the content cycle. They should have waited until 2.4 when people could try DFing SCoB.

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As long as people equate ilvl to skill, this will always be an issue.

lets be honest for a second, look over this thread and some others with the 'if you don't do coil, then your a baddie' or the 'if you not doing coil, then you don't need high ilvl' type crap...
the issue is not about the gear as much as the 'elitist mentality'.

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Originally Posted by Deviant1

As long as people equate ilvl to skill, this will always be an issue.

lets be honest for a second, look over this thread and some others with the 'if you don't do coil, then your a baddie' or the 'if you not doing coil, then you don't need high ilvl' type crap...
the issue is not about the gear as much as the 'elitist mentality'.

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The only people that equate it to skill are the people who actually lack it.
Most people realise that skill generally trumps gear.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

I find it really frustrating that I cannot equip 2 rings of the same type & ilvl. The soldiery tome purchased rings should have the Unique status removed so that you can equip 2. Same goes for their upgraded counterparts.

Right now, I can get to i109 on my bard but no further without getting a coil ring or upgraded coil weapon. I could get to i110 by equipping a useless ring suited for another class but that's hardly worthwhile. At i100, there is the option of getting a REX ring but there is no option (other than coil that requires a static) for i110.

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Because having full i110 except for a single i100 ring is going to make a difference ... ever.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Just wait until 2.4 and buy then a [insert name of the next tome] ring

Best would be if we could craft ilevel 110 rings with a 4 star recipe

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Those will likely not be introduced until 2.5 as the i90 crafted rings were just introduced in 2.3

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Originally Posted by Deviant1

because RNG

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You didn't need anything more than that. Although, do you see the difference in 1 item level when you're almost at the cap? I'd reckon, "no". I guess it should have been a rhetorical question since I can't even think of a valid reason why it shouldn't be unique.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

You didn't need anything more than that. Although, do you see the difference in 1 item level when you're almost at the cap? I'd reckon, "no". I guess it should have been a rhetorical question since I can't even think of a valid reason why it shouldn't be unique.

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How curious, I can't think of a valid reason why it should be unique.

I want to wear two evenstar rings. So much crit and acc. But I can't D:

Apparently wanting two of the same ring makes you bad, but I don't think so. I just want the good stats

Well you could always use another i110 ring from another class if i110 is really that important to you. :D

Second thought, I totally agree with OP, I had to waste #elitist
http://puu.sh/aGwyN/22553fb834.jpg

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

So what you're saying is bads deserve ilvl 110?

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Why do you call people bads? You are bad yourself.

Do you watch video's to beat bosses, yes? then you aren't good.

Do you kick people who mess up out of the run just to get someone who knows the run and you cant carry someone who cant? if not you are bad.

Do you make PF only asking for people who know what they are doing excluding others who cant? you are bad.

a good player would carry or help out someone who cant.

I know why I said this just to make a point. there are no good players on here only the ones who go into the game blind.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

The only people that equate it to skill are the people who actually lack it.
Most people realise that skill generally trumps gear.

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Following your logic, it's interesting, the people who were the most vocal about Sands/Oils/UAT being added outside of coil were those who are apparently skilled.

They seemed to care a whole lot about it actually, so they actually lack skill?

Anyway, I don't support the OP's idea, and there are several solutions already in the game. Go do Ramuh EX, Hunts or Second Coil if it bothers you that much.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

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yes, I did read the post, thank you.
still, I see no difference in being iLv 109 (or whatever) or iLv 110.
if you can beat ScoB with no problem, what's the problem (lol)
you don't NEED to be at iLv 110.

iLv 110 are the highest level items the game has to offer right now.
it's normal that you only have one way to obtain them.
what's the point of being the highest gear in game, if you can obtain them in multiple ways?
you want to see a shiny little "ilv 110" on your character profile, just for giggles?
then do the most "difficult" endgame content.
you are unlucky and have never seen it drop?
you'll survive.

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Originally Posted by Defteros

yes, I did read the post, thank you.
still, I see no difference in being iLv 109 (or whatever) or iLv 110.
if you can beat ScoB with no problem, what's the problem (lol)
you don't NEED to be at iLv 110.

iLv 110 are the highest level items the game has to offer right now.
it's normal that you only have one way to obtain them.
what's the point of being the highest gear in game, if you can obtain them in multiple ways?
you want to see a shiny little "ilv 110" on your character profile, just for giggles?
then do the most "difficult" endgame content.
you are unlucky and have never seen it drop?
you'll survive.

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It's all about the numbers. A matter of principle. Big difference in a state of mind being i110 and i109.

No different than scoring 100 on a test instead of 99. Both are passing grades but 100 is more special.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

The only people that equate it to skill are the people who actually lack it.
Most people realise that skill generally trumps gear.

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Actually most people realize that both are important. Gear is the potential, skill is what helps fulfill said potential.

Wait, most "intelligent" people. No that wasn't meant as a stab at anyone's intelligence, just a statement.

I for one think you should not be able to get pretend i110 [aka non-BiS] just from doing Hunts and grinding Soldiery. You SHOULD have to actually do content to get gear.

You did, but now you don't, it's called balancing the game before the next patch comes out. You didn't think that UAT/Oil/Sands were going to remain exclusive coil items did you? It was never a reasonable assumption.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Did you not read the post?

Without the HA weapon, you can't reach average item level 110 without the coil ring since there's no alternative second i110 ring.

I can clear Turn 8 no problem but the ring doesn't drop for me. Until the game wants to stop being stubborn, I would never reach i110. There's this big misconception with coil drops. Just because you don't have a certain drop doesn't mean you aren't doing the content. It can also mean that you aren't lucky.

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Just... continue to wait. :/

I think I waited over 10 weeks before seeing the pants drop from T8, then another 2 weeks to see the choker and ring as a double drop lol.

In this case, the Noct ring is BiS so.... I don't see what's wrong with having BiS gear.

If it was just for the sake of being iLVL 110, then I think that being unable to equip two rings of the same type shouldn't be an issue- I don't think it makes such a big difference being iLVL 109 or 110: I'd just wait until I drop the second ring from the Second Coil of Bahamut.
However, I can see a few good reasons for asking to remove this restriction.
Coil, Ramuh and Soldiery's ring have different stats but what I wanted to buff just one in particular and 2 out of 3 rings ignored it?

EVENSTAR RING 110: INT +18 ACC +19 CRIT HIT RATE +13
HIGH ALLAGAN R. of CASTING: INT +18 ACC +19 SPELL SPEED +13

At the moment, I can't maximize my critical hit rate (example) while it would be nice being able to choose the gears that fits better with your play-style. It is what we are currenly doing with our armors from Syrucs Tower and Weathered gear or with the Upgraded soldiery armors and the Second Coils drops - right?

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

So what you're saying is bads deserve ilvl 110?

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WTF is 'bads'?

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Originally Posted by Andres_Lonegrief

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no no my beautiful and lovely bf elezen.
you don't get the point.

they want to be ilv 110, but they don't want to do coils.

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Originally Posted by TheRogueX

WTF is 'bads'?

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It's lingo from about one to two years ago that baby teenage children full of roxor attitude used to classify someone as a bad or poorly skilled player.