Idea to stop resetting hunt mobs!

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

Not to mention, you have Stealth.

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Stealth isn't god mode FYI and unless you're high level enough it has a level limit as well, a lvl 20 stealth wont hide you from lvl 50 monsters.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

More like with 5 people you are not gonna get full credit unless all 5 are tanks with over 530 strength or white mages spamming medica 2, and either way all 5 of you would die from an S rank. You should have waited for more people so you didnt die in the first place, sounds like you got what you deserved.

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That mob mentality, you have no idea how fun it is to fight elites dealing with mechanics when there isn't a horde of people killing them in a few seconds or the elite disappearing, 20 people is more than enough to take down an S rank, even the hard ones like Mor Dhona's.

Also stealth mode doesn't protect you from aoes if people happen to fight a mark near you.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

That mob mentality, you have no idea how fun it is to fight elites dealing with mechanics when there isn't a horde of people killing them in a few seconds or the elite disappearing, 20 people is more than enough to take down an S rank, even the hard ones like Mor Dhona's.

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But it's not for a good chunk of them, the guy I was responding to even said his party was mostly dead.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

I said we shouted and about 15 more showed up, 20 people can take down an S rank, it won't be as fast as 200 doing it, but 20 people can handle it. Also not all of us died, only one from my FC died, but a couple other healers/casters died when the douchebag drug it over them to reset it, you should brush up on your reading comprehension and retention a bit more before you start telling people they got what they deserved.

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On my server I always have main threat on any S rank I go to, and I can tell you none of them have one shot cleaves. They more likely died from whatever mechanic the hunt was using. What zone was it, Mcshiggs?

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

But it's not for a good chunk of them, the guy I was responding to even said his party was mostly dead.

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I said we shouted and about 15 more showed up, 20 people can take down an S rank, it won't be as fast as 200 doing it, but 20 people can handle it. Also not all of us died, only one from my FC died, but a couple other healers/casters died when the douchebag drug it over them to reset it, you should brush up on your reading comprehension and retention a bit more before you start telling people they got what they deserved.

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You really have reading comprehension issues...

To make it simple: of his party of 5 only one person died, out of the whole group of ~20 people several casters/healers died, they only died because of the attempt to reset, not because they tried to 20-man it, S ranks weren't designed to be mobbed like odin or behemoth and that has been said by SE several times, even before the hunts came out.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

You really have reading comprehension issues...

To make it simple: of his party of 5 only one person died, out of the whole group of ~20 people several casters/healers died, they only died because of the attempt to reset, not because they tried to 20-man it, S ranks weren't designed to be mobbed like odin or behemoth and that has been said by SE several times, even before the hunts came out.

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That isn't even possible, none of the S ranks have the ability to kill you from running past you or one shot cleaves. More like the guy tanking it saw people dropping like flies and realized they should wait for more help so he reset it. They also have more HP than the T8 boss, which takes about 11-12 minutes for 8 i100~ people to kill without deaths.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

That isn't even possible, none of the S ranks have the ability to kill you from running past you or one shot cleaves. More like the guy tanking it saw people dropping like flies and realized they should wait for more help so he reset it.

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If the elite you're resetting has quick casting attacks it is very possible to cast a few while it's being dragged out of the fight zone, like Mor Dhona's and his skill Grand Sword, you could be in a safe zone and not get hit by Grand Sword, then someone tries to reset it and makes it so you're in the middle of the cone (you cannot avoid this attack if you are in the middle)

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Isn't resetting mobs that you or party didn't tag initially a reportable offence under harassment?

Sure I read a post where a GM supposably stated that.

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ToS 3.2 Disruption.
So yes.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

If the elite you're resetting has quick casting attacks it is very possible to cast a few while it's being dragged out of the fight zone, like Mor Dhona's and his skill Grand Sword, you could be in a safe zone and not get hit by Grand Sword, then someone tries to reset it and makes it so you're in the middle of the cone (you cannot avoid this attack if you are in the middle)

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He/she wa not in Mor Dhona or way more than 20 people would have shown up, so that is not the issue. This person is just making up a BS reason why his/her party was wiped and now you're trying to vehemently defend them for no apparent reason? Think logically for a moment. Other than the one S rank guaranteed to have 50+ people at it, what S rank can do a massive unavoidable cleave that one shots people?

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Originally Posted by Nestama

ToS 3.2 Disruption.
So yes.

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That's a very loose interpretation of the rules. People at the hunt could have been waiting for their party to show up when you pulled it early, so the same rule could be applied to you for pulling it and the resetter would be the one submitting a GM report about you for the same violation of ToS.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

On my server I always have main threat on any S rank I go to, and I can tell you none of them have one shot cleaves. They more likely died from whatever mechanic the hunt was using. What zone was it, Mcshiggs?

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It was Zona Seeker in Western Thanaland, and there are some things that can one shot casters and healers that don't one shot tanks, that's why you use the tanks to tank them. In the end, I was there, you weren't so just keep on making all your assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

He/she wa not in Mor Dhona or way more than 20 people would have shown up, so that is not the issue. This person is just making up a BS reason why his/her party was wiped and now you're trying to vehemently defend them for no apparent reason? Think logically for a moment. Other than the one S rank guaranteed to have 50+ people at it, what S rank can do a massive unavoidable cleave that one shots people?

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I was simply giving you an example, each S rank has quick cast skills, something you would know if you ever fought S ranks without the horde.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

It was Zona Seeker in Western Thanaland, and there are some things that can one shot casters and healers that don't one shot tanks, that's why you use the tanks to tank them. In the end, I was there, you weren't so just keep on making all your assumptions.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQmcN4OuJuA
It has one cone attack, which is very small and easily avoidable. The rest of it's AOE abilities are 360º and have a huge radius. Edit, actually it has an attack that hits behind it that is pretty big and gives you about 4 seconds to get out of, so that couldnt be the tanks fault either.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

That's a very loose interpretation of the rules. People at the hunt could have been waiting for their party to show up when you pulled it early, so the same rule could be applied to you for pulling it and the resetter would be the one submitting a GM report about you for the same violation of ToS.

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To disrupt something, it has to be something that is already happening, waiting means you aren't doing anything, so there is nothing to disrupt.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

To disrupt something, it has to be something that is already happening, waiting means you aren't doing anything, so there is nothing to disrupt.

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Waiting is an action, you clearly are not a Taoist.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

Waiting is an action, you clearly are not a Taoist.

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Someone pulling doesn't disrupt your standing there, if you choose to engage when they do, it is you choosing to abandon your waiting on the rest of your sheep mob to get there, so it is your greed for seals that disrupts your waiting, not the one that pulled, so if there is anyone to report, I guess it would be you for disrupting yourself.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

Someone pulling doesn't disrupt your standing there, if you choose to engage when they do, it is you choosing to abandon your waiting on the rest of your sheep mob to get there, so it is your greed for seals that disrupts your waiting, not the one that pulled, so if there is anyone to report, I guess it would be you for disrupting yourself.

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I said waiting, not standing. Waiting implies you're expecting something, in which that would be your party members. The only greed I see here is your own for pulling early.

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Originally Posted by SeleneVenizelos

1) Only S Ranks are capable of instantly killing you and they are rare.
2) You have Stealth.
3) Why should you be able to Mine in peace? Eorzea is supposed to be a dangerous place post calamity but it doesn't feel like it.

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I remember mining in FFXI! That was a thrilling experience with no stealth and bombs ready to see you whenever you un-invisibled.

Now it's a borefest.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

Waiting is an action, you clearly are not a Taoist.

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I could argue that for a lot of things, then. I could be in the general area of a group of NPCs, and if someone comes to kill those NPCs, I could demand punishment action from GMs because I was waiting for the right moment to kill those mobs, and this player disrupted my gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

I said waiting, not standing. Waiting implies you're expecting something, in which that would be your party members. The only greed I see here is your own for pulling early.

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If someone pulls, you can still stand there and wait for your party members, no one is stopping you from doing that, so how is your waiting disrupted if someone pulls? And as for me pulling early, if you could actually retain what you read, you would see that it was 5 or 6 minutes after I found the mark before I pulled, the mob wasn't looking for it, or they would have been there already, so I owe nothing to a group of people that do nothing for me, I simply waited until there was enough people there to take it down, greed is expecting your group to get credit for everything, even the things your group had no part in finding, and wasn't even looking for in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

Stealth isn't god mode FYI and unless you're high level enough it has a level limit as well, a lvl 20 stealth wont hide you from lvl 50 monsters.

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I never said it was but unless I'm mistaken Stealth at level 50 will conceal you from Marks as they're level 50, unless it's like 1.0 where 'Notorious Monsters' were exempt from Stealth. I haven't tried but I definitely will give this a go next time I find a mark wandering around. Stealth at level 20 shouldn't protect you from level 50 monsters either... Under any circumstances. I thought it was broken in XI that Invisible and Sneak worked on monsters much, much higher than you.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Also stealth mode doesn't protect you from aoes if people happen to fight a mark near you.

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True, but it'd be silly to stand around on Miner or Botanist with people fighting a mark. You can change jobs and join the melee or wait a little until they're done. You wouldn't run into the heat of a battle waving your hatchet and expect to live in any other game!

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Originally Posted by Miitan

I remember mining in FFXI! That was a thrilling experience with no stealth and bombs ready to see you whenever you un-invisibled.

Now it's a borefest.

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Exactly! I truly do miss the danger in Eorzea. I miss 1.0 having beasties that could one shot you. It's a shame that the difficulty of the open world was watered down to such an extent and it's even more of a shame that the first monsters in A Realm Reborn capable of doing this are dead within moments of spawning.

What is so thrilling about being one shotted? Sure, it may be fun when you start out, but once you get to the max level and just want to get to point A to B, either you're going to get sick of your trips being bogged down by forced "random battles" or you'll just teleport everywhere and render the whole point moot.

Yes no leashing and add tons of sand giants. Yes.. Yessss..

I'd rather have it autokill the person with the most threat that resets it. Autokill function does not apply if not claimed though, meaning people that happen to body agg and run it far enough to reset (it's still neutral) will not be killed. Won't stop trolls completely, but at least it'll be enjoyable for others to watch.

I dont get why people reset. You got there too late? Be a good loser and walk out.

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Originally Posted by RiverTams

I dont get why people reset. You got there too late? Be a good loser and walk out.

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Primarily for 3 reasons:

1) They can.
2) Under the pretense that they're doing something good for "everyone" by allowing their specific group time to achieve full credit, thus "everyone" gets full credit.
3) Trolls.

Choose whichever applies, if all do not.

most of the time the horde gather to the mark within 1-2 mins, this make me wonder peeps came very slow for S rank.

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Originally Posted by tOnni3

most of the time the horde gather to the mark within 1-2 mins, this make me wonder peeps came very slow for S rank.

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So many of the sheep mob are lazy, and don't actually look for marks, they wait for others to find them, so it's getting to where if it's not peak time, the sheep hear about the mark 3rd or 4th hand, and a decent sized group of people that found it, their FC, and others in the general area have already gathered before they even know it's up.