Desynth Issue

I wouldn't get to interested in this area and get all hyped up over, here is the rub, im a grandmaster of all crafts and I have chosen specifically gsm only at this time due to how they have made this version of it... its currently highly screwed up in the area of Fieldcraft III generation and mastercraft only being from artisan spectacles. One class here controls all others tools. GSM, don't do gsm so you can make field3 at around 150k per (provided dze tomatoes hq source 2kish and shards around 100ish) and get mastercraft? too bad... dunno what they will change it to but I would think they would be adding new desynth items across the board to actually be able to produce these needed components or greatly boost the % they are generated at per desynth and add master to other current 3 star desynths aka housing and vanity items for the other desynthing classes.

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Originally Posted by Themis

The way I understand the patch note info:

You gain skill points for desynthing, that much is common knowledge.

Whilst working on a particular skill, you may also experience other skills going down. This is the random loss you are seeing.

When the combined total is at 300, then you will experience other skills going down.

The difference lies in the may and the will parts. One implies a chance of seeing the downlevel, the other implies a guarantee of seeing the downleve.

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Exactly. And why do you care about losing 0.01 point is simply weird. I have culinarian at 70 now and every time I get other skill up for 0.5-1 I lose 0.01 culinarian that I can get back any time by desynthesizing another random lvl 45 fish. It's not that you level up one job by 0.02 and lose 0.01, just tiny decrease in those moments when you get big improvement on other jobs. Also so far haven't seen desynth skill decrease bigger than 0.01.

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Originally Posted by Adler

Exactly. And why do you care about losing 0.01 point is simply weird. I have culinarian at 70 now and every time I get other skill up for 0.5-1 I lose 0.01 culinarian that I can get back any time by desynthesizing another random lvl 45 fish. It's not that you level up one job by 0.02 and lose 0.01, just tiny decrease in those moments when you get big improvement on other jobs. Also so far haven't seen desynth skill decrease bigger than 0.01.

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You must be at the very low skill levels. It costs about 100k for me every time I lose 0.01 points in GSM to get it back. That's not much, but it's not nothing.

To level up is grindy enough. Already for iLevel 55 items, I need unspoiled nodes so it takes me an evening to get enough mats to make maybe a dozen items. I am doing it with a Chance of 73% atm but I am almost failing with half of my items. So there is not that much Progress (0,01 to 0,03 per item if I recall correctly). To know I will lose that when I start with another one is discouraging. Having in mind how many high level Demataria I need for all the tools I want isn't couraging either lol. SE took it again too far with Desynthesis.

Greetings,

In the future we will be looking into adding a feature that will allow you to lock your desynthesis skills to ensure that they are not lowered when raising another. However, we just wanted to let you know that there is actually a way to prevent the lowering of skills you don’t want to lower, but we’d like for players to experiment and find out how to do it.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Greetings,

In the future we will be looking into adding a feature that will allow you to lock your desynthesis skills to ensure that they are not lowered when raising another. However, we just wanted to let you know that there is actually a way to prevent the lowering of skills you don’t want to lower, but we’d like for players to experiment and find out how to do it.

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It has already been found. Please see this post for details.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Greetings,

In the future we will be looking into adding a feature that will allow you to lock your desynthesis skills to ensure that they are not lowered when raising another. However, we just wanted to let you know that there is actually a way to prevent the lowering of skills you don’t want to lower, but we’d like for players to experiment and find out how to do it.

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The current method to do this is ridiculous. Locks should be added and should take very minimal effort from the dev team to implement.

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Originally Posted by chrillix

The current method to do this is ridiculous. Locks should be added and should take very minimal effort from the dev team to implement.

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Considering there is a hidden method of actually controlling this already implemented, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that SE actually wanted to avoid adding in a lock system straight away in order to slow down the saturation/finding of the items you can get from desynthesis only, especially at the higher levels. It's also quite likely that a manual system was always on the cards to be introduced eventually, too. There's no law that says that every single thing added to a game has to be the most convenient for the players immediately (or at all, really).

But I do disagree that it is a ridiculous method. You desynth with a skill, and it won't de-level for a while. So if you want to manage multiple skills, you need to put the time into it to make sure that doesn't happen.

I'd be interested in knowing whether you'll only be able to lock one skill at a time, or multiple. I'd expect one in order to promote a bit of thought (although I forget, we shouldn't be doing that in a game, should we).

What they should do is just get rid of the desynth cap.

The only "use" it has is to allow a few players to fulfill their dreams of "cornering the market" and driving prices up while screwing everyone that likes to level everything and be self-sufficient.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

What they should do is just get rid of the desynth cap.

The only "use" it has is to allow a few players to fulfill their dreams of "cornering the market" and driving prices up while screwing everyone that likes to level everything and be self-sufficient.

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I know how you feel and was upset about this too. I played XI and they limited how many levels you could put into your crafting so you could only master 1 craft. I was excited that I could do it all here and not have to rely on others if I wanted to do it all.

But the truth is that it has caused the market to be flooded in most aspects. Not a bad thing for consumers, sucky for producers. Limiting the amount of desynth skill might actually allow those that put all that time and effort to max it out to make gil off of it in the long term instead of the short term.

This is in 3 parts due to the 1000-character limit on a single post.

I'm sure nobody actually cares that I've stopped giving SE money, but the reasons are relevant to this thread.

The one unique thing about FFXIV ARR, that I've never seen in my very long MMORPG career (uninterrupted since the start of Ultima Online) is that you can be all classes, crafting and gathering and combat, on one character. This is what attracted me to the game despite some fairly bad experiences with FFXI and the horrible reviews of the original FFXIV. And it was indeed fun! But with Desynthesis, they have broken the one unique feature that made them special - now you have one system you can't fully explore on one character. Leveling up a character through the main questline is really painful, so I don't expect very many will try to do all possible Desynthesis classes on alts... even if there were a way to send materials and other items to your own alts.

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The other problem with Desynthesis, aside from the poor decision of a global limit, in violation of every precedent they have shown us to date, is that it is badly implemented. You start losing skill points on random classes immediately. There is no game-supported way to control this. The NA patch notes SPECIFICALLY say this won't happen until your aggregate skill reaches 300, and Yoshi-P has confirmed that this is how it is meant to work in interviews. This is an obvious bug, and I haven't seen it fixed in the flurry of emergency patches.

So ultimately, I turned off my account because they are getting sloppy, and heading in a direction that I don't find fun. Your mileage may vary, I'm not trying to convince anyone else to do the same, but I do want to point out what it is they have done and why you should be worried.

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There is now a precedent for imposing limitations on what you can do one one character. The community rep has tried to convince us that it was correct as coded in direct contradiction to what the producer has publicly stated.

There has been no relaxation on the total block on any way you might think of to send items to yourself. Also no relief on the horrible grind required to level another character, but that's kinda redundant given that you can't share items or gil anyway. So if you really liked maxing all the trade skills, as I did, you can't do it anymore in a useful manner even if you are willing to go thru the excruciating pain of leveling an alt.

Anyway, if you are having fun, keep having fun! I for one am not spending another penny on this game until desynthesis is debugged and fixed and hopefully redesigned to be like ALL THE OTHER GAME SYSTEMS.

I'm sure they'll fix it eventually. Seems to be the current trend with the recent updates.

1. Release update with stuff that is not fun.
2. Everyone complains that it is not fun.
3. PR rep says, well, anything.
4. Everyone riots.
5. Featured originally implemented are improved in patch.
6 New update is released with more stuff that is not fun.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Yeah this is crazy. I just started levelling desynth yesterday when my GSM and CUL reached lvl 30. I'm at 50ish and 30ish on desynth skills and levelling either one decreases the other. It's insane and very disheartening. It feels like a bug, even though apparently it's not, I thought this would just happen when your total desynth points were at 300... Crazy.

If you have read the other thread, you will realize you can "lock" a desynth skill for 4 rounds by doing a successful desynth (do a really easy/cheap one).
Inconvenient, but not worth quitting over.

E.g.
Desynth lock Skill 1 > Desynth lock Skill 2 > Skill 3 Up > Skill 3 Up > (Repeat)

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Originally Posted by PetWrangler

... But with Desynthesis, they have broken the one unique feature that made them special - now you have one system you can't fully explore on one character....

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I really hope YoshiP will have read your post....
This post is so good, and I absolutely agree that this design defeats the original concept for multi-class,
IMO you should create a new thread for this message as it covers the root problem but not just something about losing some skill points.

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Originally Posted by PetWrangler

But with Desynthesis, they have broken the one unique feature that made them special - now you have one system you can't fully explore on one character.

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What exactly is it that you feel you're missing out on? I mean it's less interactive than storing your stuff in the bank or repairing your gear. Level one of your desynthesis skills to five and you've pretty much experienced all fun there is to be had desynthesizing things.

It just is what it is. I am at 88% Desynth success for i70 gear on gsm. On average I break about 50% of my desynths. As I type, I had 10 desynths to do. Broke 5 of them. Rng is Rng. Only thing you can bet on is if it is not 100%, don't expect success. I look at a 98% success rate the same as I look at a 50% success rate just from my experience alone dealing with desynth. Just gotta keep going and not dwell on it.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Greetings,

In the future we will be looking into adding a feature that will allow you to lock your desynthesis skills to ensure that they are not lowered when raising another.

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Any news on when this feature is going to be implemented?

I'm currently at the 300 cap, and I'd like to reorganize my desynth skills, without having to do a complicated song-and-dance.

Thanks in advanced :)

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Originally Posted by MikefriedSpes

It just is what it is. I am at 88% Desynth success for i70 gear on gsm. On average I break about 50% of my desynths. As I type, I had 10 desynths to do. Broke 5 of them. Rng is Rng. Only thing you can bet on is if it is not 100%, don't expect success. I look at a 98% success rate the same as I look at a 50% success rate just from my experience alone dealing with desynth. Just gotta keep going and not dwell on it.

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It just is what it is…Garbage mega grind and an offense to players without endless time for this Game. I really wanted to stay on top of things with my DOL/DOH and get them all their iLevel 75 tools. I know I do not need them now (have all crafters on 3 star Level) but I am sure, already with the next patch, this will change when they most probably introduce new recipes.

I do not want to make Money with Desynthesis. I just want it for my own supply to get these damn tools. But as it looks now, this is not going to happen. How long is the Patch out? Two months or a bit more?

I have leveled my Carpenter (Yeah, I know probably one of the worst choices I could have made but alas, I did without knowing it is the worst) and he is now close to 90%. So far I have crafted about 40 items that provide Fieldcraft III Materia and desynthesized them. Result is I have THREE Fieldcraft III Materia so far. And I need 80 alone for my DOH. EIGHTY!!!! And 30 more when I would like to get the DOL tools as well.

This is a perspective where I have to ask myself if I am insane to continue or if SE is insane to offend us with such low Success chances again. How on Earth am I supposed to get my Materia together? I need 2 items for my CRP craft where I need 500 Myth for each piece or have to spend 10-15k per piece on the market (or 6/7 per day through Ixali quest which is a little ease).

Additionally, I need to harvest masses of two different items and craft something from one of them before I can craft the item I want. Since weeks, I am harvesting and crafting my ass off. I never have enough shards, I never have enough items.

All just to see how I fail with a reliable rate of 50%, no matter what my Desynth chance is that the Game presents to me. And the “successful” melds still have a high chance that I just get one of the items back I used to craft it. And here and there (like I said 3 out of 40 items) I receive a single Materia of the tye I need. And I am talking only about Fieldcraft III here. I do not have a DOH yet for the Mastercraft Demimateria.

I do not mind long term goals but Desynthesis is a bad joke at player’s costs. Great that the Game promotes that you can play all classes. But their Desynthesis mechanics make it almost impossible to keep your DOH/DOL on a top Level. You may pick one or two but that’s it. Or you spend millions and more millions of Gil and just buy the Materia. Choice between Cholera and Plague!

This thread is like people pressing the basic touch button and complaining to Squeenix that it doesn't provide enough HQ.

You can avoid 0.01 loss, using a desynth rotation. But i don't see the point or the fun in that, it's just annoying as hell and bad design.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Greetings,

In the future we will be looking into adding a feature that will allow you to lock your desynthesis skills to ensure that they are not lowered when raising another. However, we just wanted to let you know that there is actually a way to prevent the lowering of skills you don’t want to lower, but we’d like for players to experiment and find out how to do it.

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Hi Grekumah & Dev Team,

Just wondering if there's been any update on this Desynthesis Lock feature? Can we expect it soon?

I know there's a workaround, but this is just a nice feature to have from a general quality of life point of view. And it makes the whole Desynthesis system feel more user-friendly. :)

Thanks!