FF14's path hauntly similar to SWTOR

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Originally Posted by Tharian

They have by and large fixed the problems with Sith Sorcerer (all tree's) and Jedi Guardian not having good taunts.

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Oh I was just reflecting on the past. This was several years ago that this happened. I would hope they have done some class changes in that time lol. I've considered picking it up again but I can only juggle so many MMOs at a time.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Patch day is comming

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Besides the joke there is something to be said for the quote and the image. MMO's go thru a boom and bust cycle that is both regular and semi-random based one what was in the content release prior, how fast it can be burned thru, and how long before the next patch. Fairly major population swings are normal now with how saturated the market is for mmo's. Back in the eq, wow, etc heyday, there weren't quite as many mmo's out there, now we are oversaturated with them. People get all the pixels they want from one, then switch to another till mmo a gets a new patch then they switch back. This is pretty normal now.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Oh I was just reflecting on the past. This was several years ago that this happened. I would hope they have done some class changes in that time lol. I've considered picking it up again but I can only juggle so many MMOs at a time.

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You mean back when sorcerer used to have endless force power cause of the lifetap ability and could solo heal end game content? Yeah tbh that was overpowered as hell. And I say that as someone that still plays the game and the sorcerer class even today.

And lets not forget that they took that away from sorcerers and then basically made Operatives/Smugglers OP by giving them endless free heal via procs so that they basically didn't have to spend a ton of energy using their main heals.

Right now though I think Bioware has struck a decent balance with the 2 healing classes and there's no reason to not take 1 over the other.

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Originally Posted by Souljacker

You're close. What you mean to say is RPG, not necessarily mmorpg.

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Quote me just ONE MMORPG developer/producer saying they make a giantic game, with a storyline and a background lore just so people would ignore it all because all what matter is what can be done at top-lvl. I never said it was all about the story and the sentence you quoted shows that. I said a MMRPG are supposed to be about the expereince from lvl 1 to the top lvl, the gameply experience, discovering the world, the lore, the game itself. Enjoying it. Nowadays we have way too many people playing MMRPG that just HATE the genre and play it only because everybody else is doing it.

They can't be doing too badly, OP.
You said back in April that you were suspending your account, yet here you are again. I would also point out the lack of people agreeing with any of your posts.

Also, please don't compare this to SWTOR. I was there for the first year of SWTOR, it's not even close to similar. In the first couple of patches in FFXIV we have gotten stuff that it took over a year for SWTOR to get.

I also played SWTOR and the reasons for the demise of that game are no where near this game.

For me at end game what was bragged about an amazing system (choices) ended up just being different dialogue with the same outcome. My Jedi was as evil as they came that broke every Jedi code, yet Bastila just gave me a slap on the wrist, there was no true consequence for being dark/light in your faction. No depth to worlds, no time change, weather, hell the water was reminiscent of a game from the 90's. Pvp was fun but horribly imbalanced and world pvp was a giant lag fest.

Don't worry, folks. Unless Yoshi-san & C completely drop the ball in the meantime, in a few months, when Warlords of Draenor strikes, this game will fill with disgruntled refugees from WoW. I am one. I have practically tried them all and this game, though all its shortcomings, is the only one which can satisfy an ex-WoW addict. Imho FF14 ARR is the only GOOD WoW clone (with a different flavour of course), and this is meant as praise. :)

lolz people in ffxiv talking about lack of content

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Originally Posted by Charisma

lolz people in ffxiv talking about lack of content

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Only those who see coil as the only true content

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Originally Posted by Felis

Only those who see coil as the only true content

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Well they are wrong, there is no such thing as "TRUE" content
Content is, what the word means.

@Op i dont think FFXIV is nothing like SWTOR and theres a good chance that this topic will be deleted

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Originally Posted by Madruck

the game designers of SWTOR focused more on the leveling experience and not on the experience of the Endgame material.

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Why do people hate the story/leveling experience so much? Yeah, it was easy like FF14 but it was very fun, involved NPCs that actually talked, which gave it more of a story and cinematic feel. The quests didn't feel like chores since they weren't done as quick as FF14s and required you to go to interesting places quite often. Sure it was pretty linear like FF14s but it was still really good in SWTOR.
It still ranks my favorite MMO for storyline and leveling experience to this day lol
And I don't even like star wars, but that game was fun up to end game >.>
I still find any of the flashpoints more interesting and fun than most of FF's dungeons too
/rant

Also for clarification I still love FF over SWTOR xD

edit: fixed a typo

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Originally Posted by Shirana

Snip!

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It probably ranks second for me in story content. Something else I found fun was getting the datacrons, got all but the one you needed a team for, before I quit. Then when I noticed the first world boss on the second.. or if it was the 3rd world, I had high hopes of the game also focusing on open world content.

Sadly though, after I was done with the story and finding out that open world was a no go. What was left didn't appeal at all to me.

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Originally Posted by Madruck

Just google SWTOR patch history with their lack of new endgame content and compare it to FF14 and you will see similar designs

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We must be playing different games because the Crystal Tower, and the Second Coil of Bahamut, as well as the upcoming addition to the Crystal Tower would like to have words with you. My group has been running 2 days a week since 2.2 came out running that new end game dungeon that you don't seem to believe exists.

What actually killed SWTOR was planning, priority, and investors. Things that should have been in the first patch like Legacy and DF were launched too late. Then when the game started to loss subs after 6 months EA freaked and started layoff, replace staff, and send out memo's on going f2p.

Compare the patches and you'll see why FFXIV is succeeding and SWTOR didn't.

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Originally Posted by Amberion

It probably ranks second for me in story content. Something else I found fun was getting the datacrons, got all but the one you needed a team for, before I quit. Then when I noticed the first world boss on the second.. or if it was the 3rd world, I had high hopes of the game also focusing on open world content.

Sadly though, after I was done with the story and finding out that open world was a no go. What was left didn't appeal at all to me.

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Oooh, datacrons were fun!
I liked hunting for them too xD
Except Tatooine's.
Never. Again.
As for open world vs instanced I won't give an opinion on that as I'm not for or against either one enough to really take a side lol

For me though it just felt like a personal experience. I'm not saying MMO's should suddenly all turn into single player games, but SWTOR was proof, in my opinion, that you can make the storyline FEEL like a single player experience without it being boring, menial tasks.
I found the talking NPCs, slow paced and often multiple objective quests to be more memorable than quests where I just went to point A, killed 5 monsters, and ran back to read a bunch of walls of text that most often than not was kinda boring. Since I got to HEAR the voices and their accents it gave more variety and immersive feel to the storyline. Not to say all of SWTOR's quests were like, it had it's boring point a to point b and kill 10 enemies and run back moments too.
The class based quests were amazing too. Imperial Agent ftw <3
They tried adding more actual personality and gave you many chances to get to know important characters too. Here in FF I just have that usual "oh, it's some NPC whos name I'll forget and know nothing about" feeling. I still forget Minfillia's name half the time. Even your companions in FF14 had quests for them, and played minor importance's in certain gameplay areas (like affection rating which affected tasks). It's nice to have a chocobo raising system since it will give that same feeling of bonding too, though :3
Sorry if this was too long, I'm just giving my opinions and such lol. But in my opinion, that leveling experience and story is an important CONTENT in the game you shouldn't just spam level through >.>

The game's responsiveness is certainly about the same TOR had at launch, what with having to mash certain abilities until they finally register when the servers don't wanna cooperate and also thanks to certain animations taking priority by design, even then TOR eventually managed to fix it while it's still an issue in this game. The forums are pretty much the same too, but all MMOs are filled with the same sort of fans who defend everything.

One of my favorite things about SW:ToR was the fact that until you hit 50 all the classes had their own unique story line. Not mention on my Male Sorcerer my Apprentice wanted to have my babies :P That was too damned funny. I also like the Affection System. The bonuses for maxing out their affection were decent. and on top of that there was the Untiy and Sacrifice abilities where you could reduce incoming damage or steal health from your companion for a pretty sizable heal. The one thing I wish that they had done differently with the companions was giving me more control of their stats via a Talent Tree similar to the Chocobo here in FFXIV.