It's called "Loot"

Well wtf is deeps? Is it dps? If so that's just as atrocious/cancerous/disemboweling/mashpotatos/toxic/vomit-inducing as the people who type ohemgee instead of omg.

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Originally Posted by Felis

If you don't deal damage to your enemies as someone with a red role icon, you do something wrong
DPS is something for parser users

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The point is that the game itself calls that class role "DPS", not "DD".

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I understand where "lot" comes from, but most times I've seen it being used referring to "loot" instead of "casting lots".

(example, "he got got all the lot" or "no lot dropped for me")

EDIT: not saying every single person misuses it, just that it's widely misused.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

...Let's be real though xD

You're a Damage Dealer, you're not a Damage Per Second.

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... and yet when the stars are aligned and the most commonly-played job type is a roulette's 'adventurer in need' SE describes it not as damage dealer/DD, but as DPS.

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe

... and yet when the stars are aligned and the most commonly-played job type is a roulette's 'adventurer in need' SE describes it not as damage dealer/DD, but as DPS.

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Don't have go go that far, the duty finder itself says "DPS" on the top.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

Don't have go go that far, the duty finder itself says "DPS" on the top.

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Ah, so true!

Another fun fact: while SE generally favours 'enmity', our game's hate meter is indicated by an 'A', presumably referring to the (for some) dreaded term 'aggro.'

Funny enough I'm more used to "aggro" than "hate" when it comes to threat/enmity.

This thread reminds me of people arguing between WTS and S> and all other similar terms.

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Funny enough I'm more used to "aggro" than "hate" when it comes to threat/enmity.

This thread reminds me of people arguing between WTS and S> and all other similar terms.

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aggro is the correct term. like when your parents hit you with a brick, its not because they hate you, you just aggravate them. same with these enemies.

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Originally Posted by Heavy01Mk2

Bouncy castle vs bounce house vs space walk vs floppy flip

Pick one

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A...floppy flip? I think I need to lie down...

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Originally Posted by Miitan

A...floppy flip? I think I need to lie down...

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things are strange in the wild wild west

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Originally Posted by Heavy01Mk2

aggro is the correct term. like when your parents hit you with a brick, its not because they hate you, you just aggravate them. same with these enemies.

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Aggro isn't the correct term, it's one of the acceptable terms. One of the nice things about language is its flexible, and as long as the word is understood, the one used for the most part doesn't matter.

Hate, Enmity and Aggro are all acceptable terms.

Being fickle or persnickety over terms is a bit silly. "BUT I USE THIS TERM! YOU MUST ALL BE WRONG!"

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Hate

verb (used without object), hat·ed, hat·ing.
3. ~ to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility.

noun
4. ~ intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.
5. ~ the object of extreme aversion or hostility.

Enmity

noun
1. ~ a state or feeling of active opposition or hostility.

Aggro

noun
1. ~ aggressive, violent behaviour.
"they do not usually become involved in aggro"


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Originally Posted by Alukah

Well being honest here the first few times someone used "hate" to refer to enmity I had no idea what they were talking about, took me a while to connect the dots.

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One of the many things 1.0's developers tried to do to separate it from the rest of the MMO genre.

Which in the overall picture looked good on paper, but the execution and implementation was terrible.


If you ever played 1.23 and started off in Limsa Lominsa, you'd have found that it was borderline unreadable, they were almost obsessed on attention to detail, even in the story-line which had to be as realistic to their pre-renaissance fantasy world as possible. So the words, quest-text, gear, area design were all very strict, which is one of the reasons they used words like 'enmity'.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

and as long as the word is understood, the one used for the most part doesn't matter.

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Well being honest here the first few times someone used "hate" to refer to enmity I had no idea what they were talking about, took me a while to connect the dots.

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Originally Posted by Valmar

Fries and Chips in 'Murica are actuality different things.

In Europe if you Order Fish and Chips you will get fries. if you want chips you need to say Crisps.

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Don't know what part of "'Murica" you live in, but here in the northeast if you order Fish and Chips you get fries the same as Europe. I have honestly never seen a place that gives you chips when you order "Fish and Chips".

Even one of the biggest seafood chains in the Northeast (prior to filing bankruptcy) was called "Arthur Treacher's Fish and Chips" and there were only fries on their menu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Treacher's

So no in 'Murica its not necessarily a different thing.

In my book:
Loot is the items that come from a mob
Lot is the process of obtaining the mob (Lotting, Lot, free lot ect)
DD is a person who does dmg
DPS is how much damage that person does per second
Character: you in game character
Toon: Google loony toons

Then again people interchange the words in the genre. If you came to XIV from XI it will be characters, Lot, and DD.... if you came from WoW/Other mainstream mmo it will be toon, Loot, and dps.

I personally still find it is funny people say "looking for 3 damage per second and good to go" instead of "looking for 3 Damage Dealers and good to go". >.> Or when I tried wow at the start how I got very pissed when someone called my character a toon.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

character limit break

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are you implying little ladybugs are capable of hating? They're too adorable

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

...Let's be real though xD

You're a Damage Dealer, you're not a Damage Per Second.

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DD never meant Damage Dealer though.... in the mmo world it means Direct Damage.

Any DPS class that doesn't use dots is a DD

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoint

DD never meant Damage Dealer though.... in the mmo world it means Direct Damage.

Any DPS class that doesn't use dots is a DD

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In XI it ment Damage Dealer. Anything that had a primary purpose of killing the mob was considered a DD.

In XI:

Spike Dmg: Large Damage Burst but not sustainable over time (Drk, Drg, Blm, Rng, Sam)... on a graph these players would cause large spikes in dmg sometimes 2-3times higher then the sustained dmg. Aka like a sustained dps of 100 but they can spike it to say 300-400 for 20 secs every 3-4mins.
DoT (Damage Over Time): Mnk, Duel Wield War, Pup... on a graph it would be almost flatline with constant dmg. Aka say a constant 150dps that varies little.

Yea when folks say lot they aren't trying to cleverly shorten the word loot. It's like everyone says it means to roll, or need, or greed or whatever on the actual loot, casting lots.

Welcome to Final Fantasy, we raise not rez, we lot on loot, DPS are DD, and toons are characters.

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Originally Posted by Artiss2k

Yea when folks say lot they aren't trying to cleverly shorten the word loot. It's like everyone says it means to roll, or need, or greed or whatever on the actual loot, casting lots.

Welcome to Final Fantasy, we raise not rez, we lot on loot, DPS are DD, and toons are characters.

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Except it's not. Or not only. Sure, whm raises, but sch and smn rez. DPS is a role, per SE, not DD. At least in this game. Can't speak for XI, as I never played it.

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Originally Posted by Renault

As in, still won't call it "lot." Also, I'll agree or disagree with whatever I damn well please, thank you!

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http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/45790057.jpg

Hur dur dur.



http://pavingatlanta.com/Portals/164...rking-lots.jpg

What's with all the dumbarse threads? If you don't know what the word lot means, buy a dictionary. No need to make a thread about it.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

I personally still find it is funny people say "looking for 3 damage per second and good to go" instead of "looking for 3 Damage Dealers and good to go". >.> Or when I tried wow at the start how I got very pissed when someone called my character a toon.

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Since you ignored the previous posts, DPS is the term officially adopted for FFXIV, it's not just people randomly picking terms (like lotting).

You're looking for class roles, a "DPS class" is a class role and the NA localization team chose to use that term. With this I'm not saying that DD is incorrect, but it's not any more correct than DPS and it's probably more used than DD in most MMOs.

I'm wondering if there's any other game (other than XI) where people use "casting lots".

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

...Let's be real though xD

You're a Damage Dealer, you're not a Damage Per Second.

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SE disagrees with you XD

Since when did you que for a DD role in DF? it's listed as DPS. and wheres the DD subforum, tis called DPS roles :)

Tanks hit things to generate enmity, so they can be called Damage dealers too, as they deal damage to generate enmity ^_^

It's just like those who call Miqot'e Mithra, lalafells Taru etc.

An a slightly similar note, can everyone, and I do literally mean everyone, please stop shortening 'potions' to 'pots'. Please understand.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

dumbarse

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http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...s_laughing.jpg

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Originally Posted by Heavy01Mk2

Well wtf is deeps? Is it dps? If so that's just as atrocious/cancerous/disemboweling/mashpotatos/toxic/vomit-inducing as the people who type ohemgee instead of omg.

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Hey, I say "deeps," it's a fun term :(

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Originally Posted by Alukah

I'm wondering if there's any other game (other than XI) where people use "casting lots".

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Across all the MMO's I have played over the past decade, this was the first time I had seen it referred to as that. Everyone else just call it what it is; rolling on loot.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Rolling for loot was known as casting lots in FFXI, and is probably known as that in at least a few other games in the genre.

If someone's telling you to lot they are telling you to hurry up and either roll or pass on something so that it drops.

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Hey Fynlar! Random...but..are you Fynlar from Lakshmi? Lol

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Originally Posted by Artiss2k

Yea when folks say lot they aren't trying to cleverly shorten the word loot. It's like everyone says it means to roll, or need, or greed or whatever on the actual loot, casting lots.

Welcome to Final Fantasy, we raise not rez, we lot on loot, DPS are DD, and toons are characters.

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I think its funny when people be like ... "This is how it is here" and I be like.. "This is how I roll buttercup"

I rez and dps with my toons.

My toons will always be toons... you nor anyone will change that.

Yep.. I went there

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

Hey, I say "deeps," it's a fun term :(

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more like enraging

But I cant stop you from giving penguins heat strokes, so go ahead.

I always thought of aggro being the moment when the monster notices you running about and decides to attack you, and hate being the hate list, where the tank (hopefully) has top hate. /shrug

But then again I've always hated people being too upset over grammar or spelling.. If you understand what the person means, why would it matter? Reminds me of a Youtube video from danisnotonfire where he was explaining that if he figured out the mathematical formual for curing cancer and revealed it on the internet, everyone would just be like "LOL U SAID FORMUAL."

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Originally Posted by Heavy01Mk2

more like enraging

But I cant stop you from giving penguins heat strokes, so go ahead.

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If it means anything, I do understand how you feel.

I feel the same way anytime someone refers to a character as a toon.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

toon.

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http://i.imgur.com/7MkSRy1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Then again people interchange the words in the genre. If you came to XIV from XI it will be characters, Lot, and DD.... if you came from WoW/Other mainstream mmo it will be toon, Loot, and dps.

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Or a mix of both.

You lot a lot to get loot. Or not?

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

Hey, I say "deeps," it's a fun term :(

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And I say "derps" sometimes for funsies too!

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

If it means anything, I do understand how you feel.

I feel the same way anytime someone refers to a character as a toon.

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Im a refer to them as chartoons!

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

Hey, I say "deeps," it's a fun term :(

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Like most MMOs, this game is...

/sunglasses

..rolling in the deeps.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i257/Baneus/yeah.jpg

whoever that attempt to correct ppl about the "lot" thing clearly haven't played Final Fantasy 11 wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww