Why exclude people from Chocobo raising?

Greetings,

Just as was mentioned in Letter from the Producer LIVE XV, as of patch 2.3 it will only be possible to raise chocobos if you are part of a free company that has a house; however, we are looking into making it possible to raise chocobos via chocobo porters as well in the future.

I don't know which is more disappointing:

-the fact that I can't access this content
-it's yet another purely visual thing without any depth whatsoever (feed choco an item to switch color doesn't really hold a candle next to VII,IX,XI & XIII-2 systems now does it?)

This almost makes me not care but not quite. It's still a breadcrumb of a feature dumbed down and placed out of reach.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

Just as was mentioned in Letter from the Producer LIVE XV, as of patch 2.3 it will only be possible to raise chocobos if you are part of a free company that has a house; however, we are looking into making it possible to raise chocobos via chocobo porters as well in the future.

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Thank you Camate, but I think we require a little more information. The even bigger issue here is the fact no one has addressed the number of chocobos we will be allowed to raise in the stables. I understand it was stated "one, for now" in the live letter, but that fails to explain whether it's "one per FC member, with a max of 8* members' chocobos being raised at any given time" or "one chocobo at a time per FC, and the FC must decide the order in which its members chocobos will be raised".

Please clarify as this information is crucial for players to have before this content is released. Thank you!

*this number is for example purposes only

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Originally Posted by Seif

I don't know which is more disappointing:

-the fact that I can't access this content

This almost makes me not care but not quite. It's still a breadcrumb of a feature dumbed down and placed out of reach.

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make one shout in any place of your choice that you are looking for a fc with a house and you'll get an invite in an instant

well belonging to a free company and owning a house should have special perks and benefits as for now there is not a hell of a lot of benefits to a free company or large house at that..!!! so join a big fc buy a house or do without.... the people who have worked together as a group / family should have some benefits... everyone feels like they are entitled to everything without working for it anymore in games and out of them...

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Originally Posted by Seif

I don't know which is more disappointing:

-the fact that I can't access this content

This almost makes me not care but not quite. It's still a breadcrumb of a feature dumbed down and placed out of reach.

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Cause getting 2mil between several people is SOOOO hard

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Originally Posted by Phafi

Cause getting 2mil between several people is SOOOO hard

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It doesn't matter. Chocobo raising and gardens are recycled content from XI that wasn't even all that terrific that it needed to be exclusive to FC's. In fact, it's kind of dumbed down from what it was in XI - at least Gardening is. Chocobo raising probably will be, too. SE is trying VERY hard to make their guild system feel like guilds in other games without copying those systems, but all it's doing is alienating players who want to participate in content.


Things like the ability to earn FC money, access to buying special heirlooms and vanity mounts by doing hard content as a group? Good idea they haven't implemented because it's in another game.
Things like only FC's being able to grow gardens and then it's only 1-2 people who can actually do it, decided by the leadership? Terrible and exclusionary practice.

SE is one of those companies who will always do the right thing... after they have tried everything else first.

meh wait til personal housing all of this will be active on there. it is a lot of code they are writing from scratch gotta start somewhere then build on to it. what better place to start then with the housing system already in place, patience young padwans.

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Originally Posted by Valthein

meh wait til personal housing all of this will be active on there. it is a lot of code they are writing from scratch gotta start somewhere then build on to it. what better place to start then with the housing system already in place, patience young padwans.

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I've been waiting for that for almost 4 years now. I doubt any time it will be in the next year.

not to mention new FCs that are trying to buy a house cannot buy one because there is NO lots left on the server..... maybe adding more lots before even releasing content like this......

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Originally Posted by Seif

I don't know which is more disappointing:

-the fact that I can't access this content
-it's yet another purely visual thing without any depth whatsoever (feed choco an item to switch color doesn't really hold a candle next to VII,IX,XI & XIII-2 systems now does it?)

This almost makes me not care but not quite. It's still a breadcrumb of a feature dumbed down and placed out of reach.

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Actually, you can only push your chocobo into Rank 11 with chocobo raising, it's not a "purely visual" thing.

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Originally Posted by Valthein

meh wait til personal housing all of this will be active on there. it is a lot of code they are writing from scratch gotta start somewhere then build on to it. what better place to start then with the housing system already in place, patience young padwans.

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Very true... logically. However, the people complaining about this will complain that they have to pay for personal housing. Just wait, it'll happen. In fact, I'm looking forward to the future complaints about the ~300k FC room fee once it's released, as we already had some threads crying about just that. I can guarantee too, that had everything been free, they would complain that it doesn't "feel special" since everyone has access. These are the folks that will actively seek out anything to hate on.

It's best to either ignore their complaints or just disagree and then ignore. Make them pop a vein or two in anger that they can't grasp the idea that MMORPGs may require you to spend some time trying to form a means for an income for yourself.

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Originally Posted by alhandra

this is an MMO, you cant have everything if you choose to play solo

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A fallacy stated by someone on just about every MMO forum ever.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

I've been waiting for that for almost 4 years now. I doubt any time it will be in the next year.

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you have been playing ARR for almost 4 years now? woa!

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Originally Posted by Baneus

A fallacy stated by someone on just about every MMO forum ever.

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How is it fallacy? Unless a game has run its course and everything is being nerfed there's always going to be content that requires you to work with other people. The exception to this is MMOs that are mechanically easy enough or overly macroed so that 1 person can multibox raid content. I want to meet someone who can multibox clear the first Coil nevermind Second Coil.

FYI Yoshi answered the question about Personal Housing release during E3 stating he's aiming for before 2.4. Therefore it WILL happen within the next year.

I hope we can make them any color of the rainbow, instead of the usual red/blue/black/green/yellow.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

How is it fallacy? Unless a game has run its course and everything is being nerfed there's always going to be content that requires you to work with other people. The exception to this is MMOs that are mechanically easy enough or overly macroed so that 1 person can multibox raid content. I want to meet someone who can multibox clear the first Coil nevermind Second Coil.

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The fallacy, specifically, is the first part of the statement. "It's a MMO" is a meaningless qualifier, as all MMO means is that multiple people can join a persistent server at the same time. It has nothing to do with gameplay.

The second part of the statement makes sense as some things in this particular MMO require multiple people to complete. Though in this case, a single person could conceivably create a FC by bribing people to sign at the start and then purchasing a small house + land (less than 2 mil for some of the Goblet properties).

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Originally Posted by Valthein

you have been playing ARR for almost 4 years now? woa!

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Nope. Still been waiting for personal housing and Chocobo raising in FFXIV for almost 4 years now.

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Originally Posted by Baneus

The fallacy, specifically, is the first part of the statement. "It's a MMO" is a meaningless qualifier, as all MMO means is that multiple people can join a persistent server at the same time. It has nothing to do with gameplay.

The second part of the statement makes sense as some things in this particular MMO require multiple people to complete. Though in this case, a single person could conceivably create a FC by bribing people to sign at the start and then purchasing a small house + land (less than 2 mil for some of the Goblet properties).

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There's no fallacy towards the "It's a MMO" statement when you actually look at the intended context that it's an "MMORPG". The genre itself is founded, and eventually made mainstream, on the very things you incorrectly consider a fallacy.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

There's no fallacy towards the "It's a MMO" statement when you actually look at the intended context that it's an "MMORPG". The genre itself is founded, and eventually made mainstream, on the very things you incorrectly consider a fallacy.

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Made mainstream by reducing the reliance on absolutely needing to group to enjoy the genre. To me, FF14 has the right balance of solo and group gameplay. I can log on and do absolutely nothing in a group and enjoy myself. Mind you, I got off the "progression" hamster wheel many years ago and prefer the social aspect of MMOs ;)

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Originally Posted by Archadius

Thank you Camate, but I think we require a little more information. The even bigger issue here is the fact no one has addressed the number of chocobos we will be allowed to raise in the stables. I understand it was stated "one, for now" in the live letter, but that fails to explain whether it's "one per FC member, with a max of 8* members' chocobos being raised at any given time" or "one chocobo at a time per FC, and the FC must decide the order in which its members chocobos will be raised".

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That's massively over complicating the issue. Why would it be limited? Let us use the new personal rooms as a model here. You buy a personal room that you access through a door. Every player who has a personal room accesses it through the same door. This has no limitations on the number of personal rooms.

Why would you even think the house would support a limited number? It will work the same way with 1 stable usable by every single player at the same time. Any and all limitations like you suggested would be entirely unrealistic. Is your glass half empty and you just expect everything to be the worst way possible right out of the gate until you get clarification otherwise?

As for multiple chocobos what they meant was one per person. You're companion was specifically mentioned. This gives further context that what they meant was 1 per player. Not per guild.


Lastly

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Originally Posted by Camate

however, we are looking into making it possible to raise chocobos via chocobo porters as well in the future.

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They are already working on it. You'll just have to wait a bit longer.
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So since I'm not in a FC I basically can't take advantage of these 2.3 housing and chocobo features? Uh..... Wow. Guess I'll stick to playing other MMOs until all that is sorted out.

we been waiting since beta for it, personal housing isn't until 2.38 so several months for that 2.3 is july 8th supposedly

Weeeell that sucks. I may just have to join an FC simply for that.

Why would you not be in an FC, seriously? If you love playing solo so much, pay 2 randoms 5k and make your own, then grind it up to lvl 5 doing whatever solo activities you do apparently so you can buy your own house for a paltry >2 million. Can't make 2 million? Use your myth to buy crafting items and sell them until you have enough, and put it on your retainer and forget about. Try spirit bonding, you can usually buy lvl 45-49 crafting jewelry and goto Urth's to SB it and make profit. Farm things. Play the game through roulettes, you make money that way too.

Seriously, if you are complaining about being "not included" in this activity that has been stated over and over to be an FC activity then I don't know what to say. The only person holding you back from taking part is yourself.

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Originally Posted by Nahkti

"Chocobo raising will be accessible only to those that have a free company house."

This is something I was looking forward to but being picky about who I play with I've been very happy with my little Linkshell, whose members span several FCs. I don't see why they decided to limit it to FC members with housing only? There's plenty of Chocobo NPCs out in the world ? Anyone have any idea?

People in small FC's without housing lose access to these features too, I don't get why SE would stop some of their playerbase accessing Chocobo raising (housing I can understand a little)?

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Its worse than that. Just like Gardening and Furnishing, its also limited to just the people in that FC that have permission to do it. So unless you run an FC, you've got to compete with other people and hope you've got some seniority otherwise these features are unavailable to you. Not ideal in the least.

It makes me want to form my own FC just so I can do this stuff - which is a bit ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Soda

So since I'm not in a FC I basically can't take advantage of these 2.3 housing and chocobo features? Uh..... Wow. Guess I'll stick to playing other MMOs until all that is sorted out.

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You can join Chocobo Legion FC we welcome everyone and keep the weird ones. We won't force you to do anything with us but i challenge you to join us and not get involved in FC fun runs, Darq's Story Time, map spams, etc. Worst case you aren't weird enough and run away screaming best case you have some fun get your chocobo stable and private room.

Don't worry, Chobobo raising will be just as unfun and grindy as everything else. :P

P.S.
What's sad is that, after WoW's suicide, this is THE BEST MMO game around. The others are much worse. I say this after trying practically all other MMOs. :P

They also said that chocobo raising will be at a later date partially extended to Chocobo Porters NPCs.

I belong to a small FC that didn't make it in time to get a house; not just because we didn't make 2M fast enough, but also because SE thought in their utmost wisdom to allow FCs to buy more than one house. There are free companies in Balmung who bought more than one FC house, and I'm not even talking about one in a different area... no, there are a few who bought houses in the same area and in the same ward...

Now all what's left is Large houses that my company will never manage to afford (we're up to 3-5M now). My hope lies in the incoming new wards.

Join a FC or make your own.

I'm a little surprised at all the whining, honestly. First its 'Waaah, there's nothing special for my FC to do/ no reason for me to be in a FC!' now it's 'Waaah, to access this content I have to be in a FC! Why is SE giving people in a FC special things!'

SE makes something easy, forums light up with 'QQ, casuals ruin the game, too easy.'
SE makes something that takes a modicum of effort, and we get 'QQ, content for the elitists/rich people, too hard'

People it's simple Make Your Own FC! Make an ALT get some friends to help you start a FC, Don't have friends? Then pay someone to help you. 2-2.5mil isn't that hard to get these days to get a house.

I'm in a craft FC and with only 4 (2 legacy full 50 crafts, 2 non legacy with 2to3 lvl50 crafts) members and 1 month we bought a L size house in Gridania's 2nd residential zone.

So for all 'dem haters saying that only rich get the good stuff;

You don't get rich without effort in FF14ARR and don't you comme with "legacy" this "legacy" that, they played the game in it's hardest version ever.

You want money? Go craft! Brings lot's 'o cash!
Specially Culinarian imo.

Those of you complaining that since you're not in a FC this content is unavailable to you... why don't you join a FC then? I mean seriously this isn't rocket science. There is NO reason NOT to join a FC in this game. Even if you're the most uber casual ever there will be others similar to you that you can join or form a FC with.

As a few others have stated if your problem is that you have no FC then the problem is you, not the game.

seems like chocobo raising is a missed opportunity for a new Disciple of the Hand class.... just saying...

Why do people treat FCs like they are some form of plague? Think of them like this: They are a LS that has can have a house, and they come with branding over your head.

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Originally Posted by Baneus

Made mainstream by reducing the reliance on absolutely needing to group to enjoy the genre. To me, FF14 has the right balance of solo and group gameplay. I can log on and do absolutely nothing in a group and enjoy myself. Mind you, I got off the "progression" hamster wheel many years ago and prefer the social aspect of MMOs ;)

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Same on the progression comment. I just do things leisurely these days. :)

The mainstream approach occurred during the early WoW era, so in essence through the minor backing away of group-only stuff. It was particularly popular when it hit a certain point following Burning Crusade expansion. MMOs hit its peak of popularity during the era of the WotLK expansion. You'd see all sorts of high budget and mass advertised MMORPGs spawn during those years, such as Rift, Aion, etc.

However, the solo content is NOT what made the games hit such popularity. It was the feel and enjoyment unique to MMORPGs at the time. The proof of this is that even WoW, during the early years, didn't cater to solo content beyond being able to quest/level alone, for the most part. It became slightly easier to gear up entry-level wise, not so much in a solo capacity, but rather a timed one. Doing X number of group dungeons will result in Y reputation gains, so I'll be able to get this piece of rep gear by a planned date. Keep in mind that this was the sort of gameplay and content expectations (not very much solo capability) that existed when the popularity boom hit.

Online gaming was not as popular as it is now, nor was it as readily available. People didn't understand the enjoyment from playing a game with others and working together on it until they tried it. In fact, many clearly still don't, and feel the MMORPG market is too focused on group content and should make soloable things its primary focus. That if there's anything non-dungeon/raid related, it should never be expected to be grouped for. That's where the fallacy is. It's not the idea that MMORPGs should be focused on group-only expectations, but rather the incorrect thinking comes from expecting to solo your way through it.

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Originally Posted by Nahkti

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People in small FC's without housing lose access to these features too, I don't get why SE would stop some of their playerbase accessing Chocobo raising (housing I can understand a little)?

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Seems to me that you have a couple of options:

Either start a free company with the few people that you enjoy playing with, or join the FC of the ones you really like the most. And maybe start saving your gil for a house.

People say that housing is only for those that have money, but it's an FC, So your FC should be accepting donations or have something in place to help fund a house. Our "small" FC of like 30 people (Not all are active) had managed to save up over a length of time for a medium sized house plot (20M~ gil at the time).

So you know...you don't have to exclude yourself, or blame Square Enix for excluding yourself...

Or Obamacare.

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Originally Posted by Talec

It's the same with housing anyway. It's only for those who have the money.

We have a lot of functions only for the rich in this game.

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People still complain about the prices of housing with all the ridiculously easy gil fountains in the game nowadays? Geez.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

People still complain about the prices of housing with all the ridiculously easy gil fountains in the game nowadays? Geez.

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Sorry, need all the gil i can get for buying stupid materia to upgrade Novus...