ninja/rogue going to be over-played

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

They could correct their mistake and make the new dungeons 3dps 1 tank 1 healer.

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Yes, lets rebalance every single dungeon in the game so DPS can get into dungeons a little bit faster @.@

Too bad you cant do anything else while in queue.

And for the record, I'd rather see 2 DPS 1 Support 1 Healer 1 tank. Throw BRD into the support role and plan Musketeer/Corsair for the next. I can dream about stuff that will never happen, too.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

My problem with the new class, is that DF is already a horrible queue as a DPS class, yet they are adding yet another DPS class.

It will only make the Tank/Healer shortage in DF worse still.

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no actually, the DF is a pain if you play a ranged dps, a melee one don't have a lot of trouble. and you know what? ninja is a melee!

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

no actually, the DF is a pain if you play a ranged dps, a melee one don't have a lot of trouble. and you know what? ninja is a melee!

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It's worse for Ranged indeed, but it's awful queuing as 2 different DPS for Expert Roulette (and others) too, also a 20-30 min+ queue.

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Originally Posted by Logistical

My Raid group actually refuses to let anyone re-roll Ninja until we see it being played properly. I plan to make the re-roll, but until I can upfront the numbers like the rest of our dps and get the class down, I will not be touching it in a raid environment.

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How can you see it being played properly for your raid if.. your raid doesn't allow it? o.O

Now that's a real STATIC lol (stuck in stone much, sorry for you)

For sure in raids, we all know even if the min requirements are met, doesn't mean you'll be at your max.. but if you can dodge Titan and everything, NIN or not, I'll take you along for the fun of it.

Once you find the perfect composition of a raid to clear all content - this is where everyone complains the game is boring.

Letting another class and trying to work around and to be successful - now that's a good challenge!

Wish you the best.

Watch people make evasion tank rogue and heal rogue.
4 man pre-mades ftw.

And I don't mind making weapons for the arms race... it's good to be a blacksmith.

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Originally Posted by hamsteak

when the game launched there were a lot of arcanists running around, but you don't see too many summoners or scholars at 50, so i really wouldn't worry about it... not to mention 2.4 will be the next few turns of BCoB so people will be busy with that as well

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Not to mention... are you really ganna waste SOL on a class you haven't tried out?

when the game launched there were a lot of arcanists running around, but you don't see too many summoners or scholars at 50, so i really wouldn't worry about it... not to mention 2.4 will be the next few turns of BCoB so people will be busy with that as well

currently: 3 ranged dps + 2 melee dps = melee dps have a shorter queue than ranged dps

bring 1 new melee dps would balance it out

I'll still heal/tank for those in need, may try the class, but will see if its good or not to stick on it.

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

How can you see it being played properly for your raid if.. your raid doesn't allow it? o.O

Now that's a real STATIC lol (stuck in stone much, sorry for you)

For sure in raids, we all know even if the min requirements are met, doesn't mean you'll be at your max.. but if you can dodge Titan and everything, NIN or not, I'll take you along for the fun of it.

Once you find the perfect composition of a raid to clear all content - this is where everyone complains the game is boring.

Letting another class and trying to work around and to be successful - now that's a good challenge!

Wish you the best.

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I'm actually the leader of my group. We're a group that strives for progression,and we'd rather not bring in something that has the chance of being gimp off the bat. If none of us can pull the numbers or hold the same utility as our current mains, then to us it's not worth it until stuff is on farm and we're joking around. May sound silly to some, but progression is > someone learning a new class during raid time. :P

As for seeing it played properly. It's more of a confident game. If I'm not comfortable on it, then I won't take it to raid until I am. All of my raiders are on the same page and agree 100%. For a group that raids only 2 nights a week our time is pretty valuable to us.

As I posted in the other ninja + scout theard in general discussion.

Ninja will be available to everyone or only to those who cleared the main story?
New guy, gets home, install the game, starts brand newie...can he be a rogue -> ninja? wouldn't that create a plot paradox?
Lady Yugiri doesn't get here until you clear Prae and move on with the main story....how would she train a fresh 30 when she hasn't even got here in that guy story?

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Originally Posted by Erudain

As I posted in the other ninja + scout theard in general discussion.

Ninja will be available to everyone or only to those who cleared the main story?
New guy, gets home, install the game, starts brand newie...can he be a rogue -> ninja? wouldn't that create a plot paradox?
Lady Yugiri doesn't get here until you clear Prae and move on with the main story....how would she train a fresh 30 when she hasn't even got here in that guy story?

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It's possible and likely that you will only be able to join the Rogue guild after you cleared the story up to a certain point.

However, it's an evolving game world and it's not necessarily Yugiri that will teach you the Ninja job.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

I wonder the achievements and titles for have all 50 on jobs will be reset.

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Never happened at ARR launch with Arcanist as new class

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Originally Posted by Erudain

As I posted in the other ninja + scout theard in general discussion.

Ninja will be available to everyone or only to those who cleared the main story?

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To everyone who have Rogue at level 30 or higher and another class at level 15 for the first ninja job class.
Another question is if Rogue is a starter class or if it need to get unlocked.

Wrong on one part. Everyone will play ninja the only time people will lolclass 8 before 5 he job unlocks. So about 30 minutes tops.

I wouldn't touch NIN even if I was paid to play it. x_x Why the hell do we get some lame ninja and not something really cool like proper thief. Or basically any other dagger double-wielder than ninja. I don't think ninjas would want to double-wield in a first place. /opinion

When 4th phase of beta started, Limsa Lominsa was overrun with Derpbuncles and arcanists. Now I see barely any summoners and some scholars. Give it time.

Paladin
Paladin
White Mage
Scholar
Ninja
Ninja
Ninja
Bard

Typical end game party after rogue release.

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Originally Posted by Memoe

I wouldn't touch NIN even if I was paid to play it. x_x Why the hell do we get some lame ninja and not something really cool like proper thief. Or basically any other dagger double-wielder than ninja. I don't think ninjas would want to double-wield in a first place. /opinion

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Lol, you people are pathetic, almost as bad as those who believe adding a new tank class means magically more tanks.

I'm willing to bet money that if they kept Ninja exactly as it is, same mechanics, same abilities, same gear, same every thing, but only called it "Thief" you would like it.

I don't think I've ever witnessed such childish and moronic behavior in my life before on any other forum.

of course everyone will play it....but there will be those that are dedicated and play it well and then there will be those that suck because lolninja. It's like that with every existing class already.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

It's *Already* a problem, so I don't see how you can say "for a week or two", it's been like this for months.

Only yesterday I had to wait 30 mins for Expert Roulette to pop as a DPS class, during fairly busy hours in game.

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Once again the DF looks to pair Tank, Healer, Melee DPS, and a Ranged DPS. There is alot more ranged DPS, so on top of the potential shortage of tanks/healers the inballance of DPS adds to the length of the queues. I queue for Expert Roulette on my DPS when I am sick of tanking everything for a change, I do BRD and see average time 20-30min+, leave queue and switch to MNK and average wait normally says less than 5min. So NIN should actually help the endgame DPS queues.

For the first bit after 2.4, yes low level DPS queues will be horrendous, but this just means FATEs will become popular for a bit, and anyone wanting to level a ranged DPS or TANK or HEALER can take advantage of their need.

I've been thinking about this a bit more The development team has been very careful in their implimentation of new content since 2.0 and have been clever also in some respects. Now if they are spending so much time trying to balance the game, it makes no sense at all that they would only release 1 class and 1 Job before the expansion, Im still a bit surprised that they didn't announce another job at least in the 2nd half of the live letter but then i got thinking again...
If i remember correctly with FFXI SE announced BlueMage and Puppetmaster at a Fanfest not E3 .... and they have now scheduled one in October!

Either way they need to have something to announce at the Fanfest so I imagine they are holding back until then so they can suprise everyone!