BLM Stardust Rod Novus's Stats choices

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

If the UI timing isn't there for me, I end up casting a Thunder and a Scathe before going back into fire3. If I have the MP, I cast Thunder III. My thunders are in a macro that casts the highest one I have enough MP for.

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You are okay with spending 2 GCDs on spells that do relatively small damage after Blizzard III instead of being consistently efficient and casting a single Thunder II?

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Originally Posted by OctaviusEvergreen

You are okay with spending 2 GCDs on spells that do relatively small damage after Blizzard III instead of being consistently efficient and casting a single Thunder II?

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Using Thunder II after Bliz III won't always leave you at full MP once you cast Fire III.

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Originally Posted by OctaviusEvergreen

You are okay with spending 2 GCDs on spells that do relatively small damage after Blizzard III instead of being consistently efficient and casting a single Thunder II?

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Scathe + Thunder I combine for more damage than Thunder II...

So yes, when I've switched to UI at a bad time, and it's going to be a full 6 seconds to get my 2 ticks of MP, I'm okay with casting 2 dink spells instead of waiting for MP to regen, thus wasting half a GCD.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

Using Thunder II after Bliz III won't always leave you at full MP once you cast Fire III.

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I am aware of this. I used the word 'consistent' because in my experience, Thunder II will almost always fill the 2 ticks of MP you need to be full again. If it is not, I cast a single Blizzard I to fill the gap.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Scathe + Thunder I combine for more damage than Thunder II...

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More damage yes, but less potency per second. Please see my calculations below.

StouterTaru I hope you don't mind me using what you have suggested in my explanation. I respect that each person can have their own playstyle and I by no means intended to make this a personal attack.


My current spell speed is 458 with a GCD of 2.39 sec. I did some math to help illustrate my point (I calculated each skill's potency per second or pps).

POTENCY:
Blizzard: 150 = 62.8pps
Scathe: (100, 20% chance of 200) = average 120 = 50.2pps
Thunder I: 30 + (35x6) = 240 = 100.4pps
Thunder II: 50 + (35x7) = 295 = 103.1pps
Thunder III: 60 + (35x8) = 340 = 101.8pps


StouterTaru's common umbral scenario:
Scathe + Thunder I = 360 potency in 4.78 seconds = 75.3pps

StouterTaru's uncommon umbral scenario:
Thunder III = 101.8pps


My common umbral scenario:
Thunder II = 103.1pps

My uncommon umbral scenario:
Thunder II + Blizzard I = 84.8pps


This math isn't perfect because it doesn't take into account the possibility of 'wasting' time by delaying your astral mode, but I think it still accurately shows that it is beneficial to have 251 piety so that you can use higher potency spells immediately after Blizzard III.

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Originally Posted by OctaviusEvergreen

This math isn't perfect because it doesn't take into account the possibility of 'wasting' time by delaying your astral mode, but I think it still accurately shows that it is beneficial to have 251 piety so that you can use higher potency spells immediately after Blizzard III.

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The thing you leave out is what you sacrifice to get that 251 Piety. You have given up damage to get that Piety, so the two potencies you are comparing are not the same thing.

You also left out my actual common scenario, Thunder I. Under normal MP, Thunder I is enough to cover the 2 ticks of UI3 about 2/3 of the time. (Thunder II does it about 5/6 of the time, Thunder III is almost 100%)

Scathe vs Blizzard I is a side issue. Blizzard I will be more damage, especially under UI3, but I like having the flexibility of Scathe. It allows for movement and using Raging/Quelling Strikes/Lethargy off the GCD. Plus with limited crossbar space, Scathe is much more deserving of a spot than Blizzard I.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

The thing you leave out is what you sacrifice to get that 251 Piety. You have given up damage to get that Piety, so the two potencies you are comparing are not the same thing.

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As a dunesfolk lalafell I naturally have 251+ piety with a SCH in the party. But even if I did not, I would glady still sacrifice a few stats for it. The benefits far outweigh the sacrifice.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

You also left out my actual common scenario, Thunder I. Under normal MP, Thunder I is enough to cover the 2 ticks of UI3 about 2/3 of the time. (Thunder II does it about 5/6 of the time, Thunder III is almost 100%)

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Your fractions are consistent with what I have also experienced. However, we have drawn different conclusions. I think Thunder II is far superior because of the very likely chance that it will leave you with full MP as opposed to Thunder I (as well as a higher chance of getting a Thundercloud proc). The goal is to use Blizzard I or Scathe as seldom as possible because of their very low potency per second. Any time you cast them, your DPS will drop. This is irrefutable.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Scathe vs Blizzard I is a side issue. Blizzard I will be more damage, especially under UI3, but I like having the flexibility of Scathe. It allows for movement and using Raging/Quelling Strikes/Lethargy off the GCD. Plus with limited crossbar space, Scathe is much more deserving of a spot than Blizzard I.

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Just a small note, the potency of ice spells does not increase while in UI mode. I do agree that Scathe is useful for activating abilities right afterwards or for moving a little, but using it in every rotation is a noticeable DPS loss.

I came to a decision for my BLM staff...I will enhance SS and Crit Chance to a certain extent and leave at least 30-40 points open. The final decision will be made when I have all the Alexandrite left. Then I know what stats I have and can either add DET if I have enough Accuracy and if not, I will make the Novus my Coil weapon and add the rest into ACC. Right now it is a decision into the blue. I do not know yet what items I will receive from T6 and onwards till I have the 75 Alexandrites together so I leave my options open to either full DMG or ACC buff. I also thought about adding 4 sec. stats (SS, CC, ACC + DET) but I think it would end in too low numbers for any of the stats.

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Originally Posted by OctaviusEvergreen

I am aware of this. I used the word 'consistent' because in my experience, Thunder II will almost always fill the 2 ticks of MP you need to be full again. If it is not, I cast a single Blizzard I to fill the gap.

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I think my must either be clicking slow or have very low spell speed, as for me it's only around 60% using Thunder II.

I thought this forum was on Novus allocations not BLM rotations >.>

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Originally Posted by poipoy

Yea, I also thought of PIE when I just finish posting. But can't really remember whether PIE was one of the stat choice or not for Rod's scroll (can't check since maintenance atm). If PIE is available for stat upgrade, wonder whether it would be beneficial or not. At least won't have to rely on having SCH in parties lol.

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I just figured every secondary stat would be available for all weapons. You could probably put piety on the axe if you wanted.

So, I'm a little embarassed that I'm just learning about the 251 PIE now. Although I see pretty big damage numbers now I'm always interested in improving. As a Hyur Highlander I'm sitting at 239 PIE. Would it be worth it to take 5 points from my crit/det novus to get to 244 - thus 251 with a SCH?

Obviously, I know that it's my choice in the end - but I'm interested in hearing other viewpoints.

I wouldn't put Piety onto your staff. I'd simply use your level-up points to hit 251.

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Originally Posted by Ramath

First off, I thought it was 241 piety....

Second, I woudn't put Piety onto your staff. I'd simply use your level-up points to hit 241.

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Everything that I've seen says 251 PIE. Fairly certain on that point. As for using my level up points - wouldn't that be an awful idea, as I'd be taking points away from the much more useful INT? The benefit of using the Novus weapon is that whatever secondary stats you pick, you get the same INT regardless.

Also, for what it's worth, I think I'm going to use the Fantasia that's been gathering dust forever to change to a Midlander. I realize that Dunesfolk is the superior choice, but I'm not comfortable going Lala. I can, however, alter my appearance slightly for 3 more INT and 4 more PIE.

Yup, I miss remembered it. I checked my stats and corrected my post. But still, I wouldn't put it on your staff.

OK, well... I did ask for opinions. So, while I disagree with what you're saying I appreciate the input.

Would anyone else care to weigh in? Specifically, I guess I'm wondering how important the 251 piety is. Assuming I change from Highlander to Midlander I'll be up to a native 243 PIE. Which means 1 point in the staff should be enough if there's a scholar, correct? Or are you supposed to try for 251 solo?

You could always just drink mulled tea for the piety.

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Originally Posted by Ramath

I wouldn't put Piety onto your staff. I'd simply use your level-up points to hit 251.

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That's the worst suggestion yet. If you put say 8 level up points into PIE that is 8 less INT you have. INT is your best stat after raw weapon damage so you want as much of that as possible.

On the other hand if you put the PIE on your weapon you are trading DET/CRIT/SS for PIE rather than INT. The difference is huge.

As a Hyur I have enough PIE to not worry, and I find the best usage is during AoE rotations where I can go Flare > Convert > Fire II > Flare. That extra Fire II sometimes means the difference between a pack of mobs dying and a pack of mobs sitting with a tiny amount of HP. When I've done Brayflox with WHMs I have been in exactly that situation after a double Flare and wished I could have had that extra Fire II. I wonder how much PIE you'd need to get enough without a SCH in the party, I imagine it's more than it's worth.

I believe you need 248 piety without a Scholar to use that AoE rotation.

Yeah, that's what I thought. I'd never sacrifice INT for any secondary stat - the stat weights simply don't support it. Especially since the Novus is a unique opportunity to add piety without having to sacrifice INT.

On a side note, I did change to a Midlander when I got on a couple hours ago. I drank some Mulled Tea and gave the 251 spec a shot - it really is a lot more fluid. I would imagine that my numbers went up, and I wasn't experiencing the downtime waiting for enough MP for Thunder 2. I'm still undecided about whether it's worth 8 points to get me there natively - that does seem like a lot to me. But one little point? That's an absolute yes, in my book.

Or scroll, I suppose :D

Regarding the usage of leveling points to hit 251. I asked that question on another site and compared to having 243 Piety, the 251 lead to about a 5dps increase (according to the guy who had a parser and did the test). Never found out though how much the loss of 8 Intelligence affected the dps output though.

I recently went and respec'd my stats to give me 251 native and the rotation is a lot smoother, so I don't know...

Has anyone happened to work out the optimum scroll infusion stats for BLM yet? I'm approaching Novus stage and would like to have it ironed out before I get started. Thanks! ^_^

Most are thinking either 44crit/31sps or 44sps/31crit. I don't tinker enough with BLM numbers to know which is better, it's just what I absorb while reading more advanced discussions on BLM in general. The latter is the less expensive choice if that matters.

I'm going to try for a Piety build with the new accessories myself. Getting +12 piety on 5 accessories and 23 on the novus is a sacrifice of 15INT for 83PIE and ~100 secondary stats, comparing to ilvl100 accessories. It's 25INT vs 83PIE and ~80 secondary stats, compared to the ilvl110. That's another fire in the rotation.

I've just hit the Novus stage and obviously now I'm in the quandry of determining how I want to upgrade things.

I'd like comments on the following stat idea:

40 spell speed
15 Acc
12 Crit
8 Pie

Certainly not maxing absolute damage, but it helps cover the accuracy issues Soldiery gear has (I'm unlikely to get HA gear any time soon), gets me to 251 Pie native, and gives a very nice speed boost. And as a side note, the materia cost for this build would be significantly lower than most others as I'd only need level III and IV stuff for the spell speed.

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

I've just hit the Novus stage and obviously now I'm in the quandry of determining how I want to upgrade things.

I'd like comments on the following stat idea:

40 spell speed
15 Acc
12 Crit
8 Pie

Certainly not maxing absolute damage, but it helps cover the accuracy issues Soldiery gear has (I'm unlikely to get HA gear any time soon), gets me to 251 Pie native, and gives a very nice speed boost. And as a side note, the materia cost for this build would be significantly lower than most others as I'd only need level III and IV stuff for the spell speed.

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Get the chest from ST.

I suppose stats important for BLM is Spell Speed.
There need to be a balance to Crit and Det, too much of 1 doesn't mean higher dmg.

Looking at all current gear stats options including CT2.

Potential Novus Stats
SS :40
Crit:15
Det:20
Which shd be well balance on bss available gear stats.
Other stats shd be replacable by food for Coil attempts.
** SS increase by food aint a lot, hence, best is to max it. maybe.

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

40 spell speed
15 Acc
12 Crit
8 Pie

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Depending on how long you think SE will wait to make t6-9 more farmable vs. how easy it will be to reallocate NOVUS stats, I would not put and ACC on the novus weap. Accuracy is super easy to get for BLM (i was at 550ish because of drop order until yesterday with HA gears from coil, and cap is 471). Plus if you ever plan on getting H.A. Staff you're gonna have to make up that acc elsewhere anyway.

As far as people worrying about the PIE on it, and saying how SS uber alles, I really doubt you'll miss 6ish of any secondary stat to get the Piety for a better and more fluid rotation. Logic. Secondary stats are meh.. Especially when you NEED the primary stat. Just my 2 cents. Parse me something plus or minus (less than)10 SS (or DET or CRIT) that shows a significant difference, I'd love to see it.

Edit: Also to whoever said to sacrifice spec points for piety instead of novus secondary stats, that's just terrible. INT > ANY secondary stat. Period. At any time.

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Originally Posted by Burrmanchu

Depending on how long you think SE will wait to make t6-9 more farmable vs. how easy it will be to reallocate NOVUS stats, I would not put and ACC on the novus weap. Accuracy is super easy to get for BLM (i was at 550ish because of drop order until yesterday with HA gears from coil, and cap is 471). Plus if you ever plan on getting H.A. Staff you're gonna have to make up that acc elsewhere anyway.

As far as people worrying about the PIE on it, and saying how SS uber alles, I really doubt you'll miss 6ish of any secondary stat to get the Piety for a better and more fluid rotation. Logic. Secondary stats are meh.. Especially when you NEED the primary stat. Just my 2 cents. Parse me something plus or minus (less than)10 SS (or DET or CRIT) that shows a significant difference, I'd love to see it.

Edit: Also to whoever said to sacrifice spec points for piety instead of novus secondary stats, that's just terrible. INT > ANY secondary stat. Period. At any time.

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Hmm... so how about something like:

8 Pie
23 Crit
44 Sps

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

Hmm... so how about something like:

8 Pie
23 Crit
44 Sps

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Yeah I'd do that before puttin ACC on it for sure.. I'm starting to think the lil bit of PIE is a very good idea just based on how badly the secondary stats really affect damage output. 44crit/23SS or 44crit/23det would be your other options. Depends on how you feel weights come into play. Tons or conflicting data on all this atm.

>_>b

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Originally Posted by Burrmanchu

Yeah I'd do that before puttin ACC on it for sure.. I'm starting to think the lil bit of PIE is a very good idea just based on how badly the secondary stats really affect damage output. 44crit/23SS or 44crit/23det would be your other options. Depends on how you feel weights come into play. Tons or conflicting data on all this atm.

>_>b

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I think I'm going to stick with bumping the Spell Speed as much as possible. Even though it's not much, the quicker I can get something cast the more possible mobility I'll have. Add to it the smoother rotation I'll get from the 251 Piety and I'm thinking this is a very solid choice for the stats.

Don't forget your novus will be upgrade so piety would raise too high in that way.

This is so confusing. Base stat of Animus has 20 deter, but most of these post suggest replacing it with crit instead. Would anyone explain each of 2ndary stat effects? Almost 75 alexandrite and still confused ^^;

Or maybe I just follow the original stat instead, ss/deter. ^^;

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

This is so confusing. Base stat of Animus has 20 deter, but most of these post suggest replacing it with crit instead. Would anyone explain each of 2ndary stat effects? Almost 75 alexandrite and still confused ^^;

Or maybe I just follow the original stat instead, ss/deter. ^^;

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Crit was based off the old numbers we had for stat weights. Now though, the new data has shown Det to be the stat you want to pair with Spell Speed.

I guess the only question remaining is point distribution (and deciding if you are going to be adding Piety onto your weapon).

I am almost now thinking of goint +8 Pie, +27 Det, +40 SSPD, instead of maxing SSPD... not sure.

I've been reading about PIE for pushing one more spell in rotation. But was it worth? At least compared with bigger Deter which affect damage points.

And after some info from LS mates, it seems like crit itself has diminishing return, meaning that it shouldn't be going over certain point threshold. And it seems heavy RNG-based too.

I read this thread when it first started and alot said skill speed and stuff like that, i messed around with my stats and SS gave me like an reduced my casts by like 0.03, i'm a sucker for big numbers and Critical Hits :)

So i've gone so far 37/44 Crit, 23/31 det, that leaves me 15 points, i've read about this piety stuff and so i tested it, i have tried rotation with a whm in group, i get off Fire3>Fire1x5>blizzard3>wait half a second to 1 second then i can throw in my thunder 2.

I have 242 piety, 249 with scholar in party, my raid group has a scholar, but i can imagine if having the 251 means i dont have to wait for my mp to do thunder 2 then my rotation would be a lot smoother.

So in my opinion, having 251 is a good idea, even if u have to put it on with your novas weapon, and whether u go SS or CRIT or DD, w/e combination is personal choice of what you prefer, i've also thought about adding abit of acc to my novas so maybe 2 piety and 13 acc god knows yet =p

I started my novus before 2.3 and already had 25 CRIT logged in with the intentions of going 44 SS, 31 crit. Then the new info on DET came out. I was already too far in to scrap all of that work (and gil) and start over. Eff that.

So I ended up going:

40 SS
25 crit
10 piety

Then I reconfigured my additional stats to 29 INT, 1 PIE. This put me at 251 base piety.

Never have I been happier with a decision. My rotation feels flawless, and I have enough on convert to do Fire II > Flare for AoE rotations. Highly recommend getting to 251 piety base.

Thing is info is always gona change, what is best now will change a month or so from now, i just love that what ever i go i'll have a decent chance of having a unique Novas weapon different to alot of people, plus another reason not to go full 44 crit and 31 det is the price of those lvl 4 materias, i've been spiritbonding for weeks and no luck on lvl 4 det materia

Curious what any of your stats are after upgrade, like acc, crit, etc.
I got too annoyed of doing fates for over 3 months and still only 6 atma so went with Laevateinn. My acc is now 503 and crit 473

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Originally Posted by Maero

Curious what any of your stats are after upgrade, like acc, crit, etc.
I got too annoyed of doing fates for over 3 months and still only 6 atma so went with Laevateinn. My acc is now 503 and crit 473

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Well, I can't give you a final stat level as I've still got a couple pieces of i100 stuff to get, but I can give you what I'm getting for a boost on the Novus over what I've got now...

+8 Pie
+3 Det
+4 SSPD
+6 Vit
+5 Int

Heh, when looking at that base increase it's rather silly the amount of time and resources we all are putting into the things. =D

you guys do realize that 20 deter on original animus are gone for good when you replace with something else, especially crit, right?