Novus weapon upgrade system findings

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

You're also assuming that Alexandrite use is based on per Materia and not per Stat on the Materia i.e. it could be that you need 4 Alexandrite for a materia that has DET +4 and 10 Alexandrite for a materia that has DET +10. Speculation at this point regardless since we don't know the exact details.

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Which is a reasonable assumption.
One catalyst - One materia...

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

All items in the game have caps on primary and secondary stats, determined by the ilevel. I don't know the caps for i110, but some existing items probably reach them so see what the highest values you can find are on masterwork weapons and that's probably it.

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I would assume this. I doubt they made it so you can fire up one stat, and ignore the other. I think the biggest question is.. are the melds 100%.. or do they get lower etc.

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

You're also assuming that Alexandrite use is based on per Materia and not per Stat on the Materia i.e. it could be that you need 4 Alexandrite for a materia that has DET +4 and 10 Alexandrite for a materia that has DET +10. Speculation at this point regardless since we don't know the exact details.

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Being able to use all grades of materia unrestricted until you reach the cap would be great.
eg. I can use 3 x II materia instead of absolutely needing a tier IV with no penalties provided the correct amounts of Alexandrite are supplied.

IF that is the case (and let's hope it is)... people flocking to the market boards buying all the inflated IVs might actually just be burning the gil?

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Originally Posted by Rankina

Possibly, however the system might impose a specific cap, or have two seperate stats to make sure Novus doesn't out do Gerolt Weapons.

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Hey, you know what?

For Novus Veil of Wiyu

If they really able to put 75 points into Novus, Novus SMN will outdo Gerolt Weapons

Gerolt SMN = 31 crit + 31 det

Novus SMN = 31 det + 44 crit

Prove me wrong

All into Lightning Resistance.

Come at me Bramuh!

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Originally Posted by Rankina

Possibly, however the system might impose a specific cap, or have two seperate stats to make sure Novus doesn't out do Gerolt Weapons.

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As a fellow MNK, what do you think will be the optimal stats to go for with this, if we have to pick two separately?

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

As a fellow MNK, what do you think will be the optimal stats to go for with this, if we have to pick two separately?

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I want to answer that

If I play MNK and able to meld everything into 75 max, Go for Determination, because MNK have boost up Critical skill 25% (I believe?) and their skills Boot Shine always Critical and strongest atk (I think?) with full buffed

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Hmm that seems interesting, who dug out that image lol.

Cos so far it is know than determination have a higher "cost" per point of stat compared to acc/crit/ss. That's why you always see more acc/crit/ss than det in every piece of gear.

So far based on costs, we have seen combinations like 44 crit 31ss, 44ss 31crit which does add up to 75 points, but when determination is involved it is always lower than 75. For example, 31 det allows 31 crit to be paired with it or 21 det 44ss. Unless Novus changes this outright.

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As for how did I find it, you can adjust the URLs final number and see all the images in the patch notes.

And correct, which is why I believe there will probably some form of stat cap, as SarcasmMisser stated, based off i110 gears. Although it would be incredibly hilarious to run 75 determination on a Monk.

A monk being able to meld 75 det into a weapon would be overpowered as heck, det probably has lower caps than other secondary stats for this reason

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

As a fellow MNK, what do you think will be the optimal stats to go for with this, if we have to pick two separately?

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If you meet the Accuracy requirements for Turn 9, then pure Det.

Edit: Didn't read it fully, if you have to have two stats, Max Det, fill in the rest with Crit. However, based off your current stat weights, it might be beneficial to go with Skill Speed instead. It's dependent on your final stats.

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Originally Posted by Altimis

I want to answer that

If I play MNK and able to meld everything into 75 max, Go for Determination, because MNK have boost up Critical skill 25% (I believe?) and their skills Boot Shine always Critical and strongest atk (I think?) with full buffed

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30% crit with the trait. And Demolish is actually the strongest skill Monks have, when adding their DoT to their base.

From what I can see, Novus secondary stats are capped.

If you aim for a det/crit combo, you can only do a max combined total of 66. If you mix it up, and go for a lesser weighted stat (such as SS) you can do 75 (crit+ss for example).

I think the 75 is representative of the stats you picked to build up. If they had picked det/crit, it would show 66, probably.

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Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz

From what I can see, Novus secondary stats are capped.

If you aim for a det/crit combo, you can only do a max combined total of 66. If you mix it up, and go for a lesser weighted stat (such as SS) you can do 75 (crit+ss for example).

I think the 75 is representative of the stats you picked to build up. If they had picked det/crit, it would show 66, probably.

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That curiosity, that mean there "many" type of scroll ?

The one show "75" "0/75" can't use det/crit combo!???? lol

There will definitely be stat caps. Just a question of whether it will let you waste a scroll on a stat already maxed.

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Originally Posted by Altimis

That curiosity, that mean there "many" type of scroll ?

The one show "75" "0/75" can't use det/crit combo!???? lol

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No, its blank. When you first decide the stats you wish to boost. It will then determine the cap. So if you decided the scroll will have the two stats, det/crit. It will show the max value of infused as 66.

Of course, I could be wrong, and you should take this as grain of salt.

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Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz

From what I can see, Novus secondary stats are capped.

If you aim for a det/crit combo, you can only do a max combined total of 66. If you mix it up, and go for a lesser weighted stat (such as SS) you can do 75 (crit+ss for example).

I think the 75 is representative of the stats you picked to build up. If they had picked det/crit, it would show 66, probably.

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That would be best for balance issues. I hope it's like this.

how to obtain Alex tomes? its not yet clear is it?

What stats would you recommend for Bravura Novus

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Originally Posted by Rankina

As for how did I find it, you can adjust the URLs final number and see all the images in the patch notes.

And correct, which is why I believe there will probably some form of stat cap, as SarcasmMisser stated, based off i110 gears. Although it would be incredibly hilarious to run 75 determination on a Monk.

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Yeap in same agreement. Without following the established stat caps/stat cost, Novus will clearly outdo Gerolt weapons.

44 crit 31 det will be godsend for Bards assuming no accuracy issues, LOL :p

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Yeap in same agreement. Without following the established stat caps/stat cost, Novus will clearly outdo Gerolt weapons.

44 crit 31 det will be godsend for Bards assuming no accuracy issues, LOL :p

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I'm sorely tempted to finish my Animus now, I stopped caring since we've been working on Turn 8. Maxing Det/Crit on Novus would be glorious.

Not sure what to do with the Patch notes. They are vague at best. Right now, my BLM staff has INT, KON, DET and SS on it. INT and KON will be adjusted automatically so I assume I can't raise those stats with the sphere. But what are my options for the secondary stats? Can I only REPLACE them like for example using Crit chance instead of Skill Speed and Accuracy instead of Determination or can I raise one of the secondary values if I like them? Or keep them both and raise both of the secondary stats if I like them? And what about Alexandrite? Patch notes don't even mention it besides that it is listed as a new item. And why are people talking about inserting Materia? I did not read anything about Materia in the Zodiac part of the patch notes.

^ those stats <3

I dont know what the accuracy requirement for T6+ is though ...woops!
Im sure I can drop some anyway...xD

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Originally Posted by Rankina

I'm sorely tempted to finish my Animus now, I stopped caring since we've been working on Turn 8. Maxing Det/Crit on Novus would be glorious.

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Same thing. Time to say goodbye to my Rosenbogen (unless Novus take so long and High Allagan Bow dropped before that D: )

*if only I can desynch my Rosenbogen and recover my Sands :(

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Originally Posted by Altimis

I want to answer that

If I play MNK and able to meld everything into 75 max, Go for Determination, because MNK have boost up Critical skill 25% (I believe?) and their skills Boot Shine always Critical and strongest atk (I think?) with full buffed

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Originally Posted by Rankina

If you meet the Accuracy requirements for Turn 9, then pure Det.

Edit: Didn't read it fully, if you have to have two stats, Max Det, fill in the rest with Crit. However, based off your current stat weights, it might be beneficial to go with Skill Speed instead. It's dependent on your final stats.

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Thank you both for taking the time to answer my question.
Now to decide whether or not I want to dive right in, or wait and learn more details about the system from the folks who go ahead and do so. :p

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Same thing. Time to say goodbye to my Rosenbogen (unless Novus take so long and High Allagan Bow dropped before that D: )

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Goodbye Weathered Book of Spades ; ;

Its good that when I able to get Sands, I will use it on body and painted purple! epicness color

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

Not sure what to do with the Patch notes. They are vague at best. Right now, my BLM staff has INT, KON, DET and SS on it. INT and KON will be adjusted ....... And what about Alexandrite? Patch notes don't even mention it besides that it is listed as a new item. And why are people talking about inserting Materia? I did not read anything about Materia in the Zodiac part of the patch notes.

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Before obtaining a relic weapon novus, you must first infuse a sphere scroll with materia corresponding to the attributes you wish to upgrade. Once fully infused, present the scroll to Jalzahn and you will be rewarded with a relic weapon novus of item level 110.

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Literally at the top of the page.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

Thank you both for taking the time to answer my question.
Now to decide whether or not I want to dive right in, or wait and learn more details about the system from the folks who go ahead and do so. :p

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Either wait, or learn the mathematics yourself. I'm still figuring it out here as well lol.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Same thing. Time to say goodbye to my Rosenbogen (unless Novus take so long and High Allagan Bow dropped before that D: )

*if only I can desynch my Rosenbogen and recover my Sands :(

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Still getting my Glaunzfaust, I don't know how long it will take me to finish Animus/Novus.

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

^ those stats <3

I dont know what the accuracy requirement for T6+ is though ...woops!
Im sure I can drop some anyway...xD

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489 from the front. 451 for Black Mage. 471 for Summoner.

I just think it boils down to the two stats you've chosen to meld on.

It will not allow 75 for crit and det. In case of BRD, Rosenbogen has a combined total of 75, just like shown (crit/SS). Liberator has det/SS = 66.

See where its going? It wont happen, I will be shocked if you can crit/det = 75.

Is the weapon damage going to be changed too? Or just altered stats?

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Originally Posted by Altimis

Goodbye Weathered Book of Spades ; ;

Its good that when I able to get Sands, I will use it on body and painted purple! epicness color

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Sobs at least you somehow saved your sands :p

I think its funny that this is supposed to make everyones relic more unique but ...certain stats just tower over the others >.<

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Originally Posted by snowybell

Is the weapon damage going to be changed too? Or just altered stats?

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It has to change. The reason ATMA/Animus didnt, was due to the fact they were both same ilvl.

This is a genuine jump.

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Originally Posted by snowybell

Is the weapon damage going to be changed too? Or just altered stats?

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They are not say "Weapon damage will be remain the same"

I assume ofc they raised up dmg to ilvl 110

I for one cannot wait to see the new glows/designs!

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Originally Posted by Altimis

They are not say "Weapon damage will be remain the same"

I assume ofc they raised up dmg to ilvl 110

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Can't assume because Atma had an item level raise with no weapon damage raise.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Can't assume because Atma had an item level raise with no weapon damage raise.

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Atma/Animus both were ilvl100. Novus is ilvl110. That is a genuine jump, WHICH will merit an improvement in weapon damage. Or it is not ilvl110. Shouldn't expect an increase in weapon damage, on the same thing. The only thing you were doing in the Animus phase, was enhancing stats.

You cant really count Zenith - Atma process. It was pretty much clearly just SE way of starting the process. Nothing really serious, just killed people with grinding fates, lol.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Can't assume because Atma had an item level raise with no weapon damage raise.

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The notes say that it will grant stats befit of an ilvl110, so WD is expected to increase.

Atma have no changes to any stat at all, it's diff.

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Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz

Atma/Animus both were ilvl100. Novus is ilvl110. That is a genuine jump, WHICH will merit an improvement in weapon damage. Or it is not ilvl110. Shouldn't expect an increase in weapon damage, on the same thing. The only thing you were doing in the Animus phase, was enhancing stats.

You cant really count Zenith - Atma process. It was pretty much clearly just SE way of starting the process. Nothing really serious, just killed people with grinding fates, lol.

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I think his point was, when you change the relic from zenith to atma, the iLevel goes up but weapon damage stays the same, whereas upgrading from a finished atma to animus has no iLevel change, but weapon damage is boosted.

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Originally Posted by Radaghast

There's no materia V listed under new items, that won't be the materia you need.

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because it's already in game? just no convertible items in that lv range yet, to get it....well at least there's Carbonized V as quest reward. (duno about the ilv90 craftables, if they are convertible)
possibly you can get them by de-synth.

If Alexandrite is only from the new maps...it looks like I need to level a gathering class *cry*

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

If Alexandrite is only from the new maps...it looks like I need to level a gathering class *cry*

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Doubt it.

One of the reasons for the delay was to open more ways to get the new currency (Alex).

Oooh thank god xD