Raise II and Rebirth exclusive to Conjurer.. am I being pigeon holed as a White Mage?

I'm pretty sure we're getting white mage and black mage this update as was translated that weekend with the magazine articles. They said later they'd consider jobs requiring multiple classes to be leveled. and gave the example of rdm coming from con and thm being leveled.

But we also have to remember, many abilities will be changed also.

Neptune I now understand your plight, Im just getting tired of SE never being able to please anyone. FFX too linear FFXII too open FFXIII too linear back and forth etc etc.

My wishes are with you then, that even if thm opens blm and con opens whm, that you could equip blm on con after opening it from thm. This would counterbalance the job vs class overpowering trouble that may arise. That makes soooo much sense, I'd be upset if they did not do it. Its looking like they might tho /sad

You could be like all of the other mages, and just level up Both classes. Thaumaturge is leaps and bounds easier to level after you do Conjurer. The other way around on the other hand.... Haha :)

The real question is whether or not everyone is being pigeon-holed, not just CONs.

honestly though the elitist are gonna tell us how to play our characters anyway. What is the difference, And they just used examples not the actual names. I was more or less stating con is not a white mage class. so it will not have a specialized form of white mage. It maybe red mage it maybe scholer, it may even be a name they never used. We do not know yet.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

You know man.. I gotta say you are out of order posting this here. What do you have to gain by attempting to brush others aside or tell them their concerns don't matter?

I was the first person to speak up and point out that the game is being redesigned for the absent players. You have taken a loose grasp of that concept and run very far with it. My point in bringing that up was that we current players are not going to be enjoying updates typical of a released game with content updates, gear updates, etc. The dev team is redesigning the game to free it of flaws. That is not what we are concerned with in this thread. The dev team needs to pay respect to the 600,000 people that bought FFXIV by fixing it's flaws. We are not asking for content but for an assurance that they won't ninja-wipe our characters with their simple choices.

It is in fact a ninja-wipe if you, like me, put in 6 months of leveling to get your Black Mage to cap and the dev team decides, totally without merit, that you are now playing a healer. The dev team can solve this problem and they should. Fixing the standing flaws of this game does not give them a license to be lazy in their thinking or an excuse for altering people's characters that they've leveled. It's not a reason to say you can't give BLM and WHM to both mages and only lock 1 job to one class in other cases. That works better for some jobs than others and they need to think about it very carefully, and take a really long time thinking about it before they make some choices that will impact the playerbase unnecessarily.

I'm asking for solutions. If the dev team decides they're going to do something that's going to screw people over, they need to make amends. All they have to do is let people alot their bonus points however they want, instead of wiping them, give people a free capped job if they're unhappy with what the dev team decided, etc. So don't tell people to quiet down.. support the idea of proper service.

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I never said concerns don't matter . . . . read again then re read. All I am saying is that from reading the forums and following the developments from the players polls, is that the community cannot decide on what they want.

Which is making it hard for the dev team to have a clear vision of what to do with this game. In many thread I always post constructively and give insight and applaud players and posters who have clear ideas and criticisms that they'va articulated well.

What do you mean by a ninja wipe anyways? there is no wiping happening now or in the future of this game. Adding the job layer is not a ninja wipe.

Where I saw conj as almost a rdm with blm+whm abilities and SE will say this will be conj role for now is not wiping my effort in leveling the class to cap. In the end its their vision of how the structure should be and how they anticipate players to play roles. So if conj becomes whm and thaum blm or vice versa then guess what I have 10 more ranks to go to cap no biggy, I can deal.

As far as others having concerns that's fine and I welcome those concerns but when people like you post saying SE's changes are wiping a characters progression is plain asinine. The job is system what ever it is and what ever is going to be is not wiping any ones character or hard work. All that is happening is SE is giving every class one specific focus and in the manner they see fit to balance the game as much as possible and give players roles and goals.

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The real question is whether or not everyone is being pigeon-holed, not just CONs.

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Guess what the answer is yes we are being put into roles so a tank will tank, DD's will DD, healers heal, and nukers nuke. Who knew eh.

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Originally Posted by Speeral

Guess what the answer is yes we are being put into roles so a tank will tank, DD's will DD, healers heal, and nukers nuke. Who knew eh.

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Yeah ... but what does that make CON?

I fought pretty hard to keep the freedom of the armoury system and all but as far as the class/job system goes? All for it. People wanted defined roles and class uniqueness, guess how you get that? Making classes/jobs specialize in a particular area which then means people expect them to do just that.

They should really just announce the mage jobs ahead of time so people can get their bitching out of the way and also prepare for it. No matter how they do it it's not going to please everyone. Some leveled CON in hopes it would be black mage, some hoped it would be white. No matter what people are going to be disappointed but again this is what people wanted. Class definition and classic names which come in the form of jobs.

They said they've really only got one shot at changing things and this is it. So regardless of what happens you'll have to either suck it up and keep playing or quit.

<-- lv'd Conj in hopes it WOULD be whm....

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<-- lv'd Conj in hopes it WOULD be whm....

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I would be willing to bet most Conjurers did this.

I understand the OP's concern, though. But understand that Yoshi-P is taking the game in a different direction than Tanaka. This is the way of the world.

So let me see if I've got this right.

Conjurers have:

• Fastcast
• Chainspell
• Ancient Elemental Spells
• And now the most powerful raising spell

... really SE??

(probably not the best way to go about making classes more distinctive)

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Originally Posted by Sorel

So let me see if I've got this right.

Conjurers have:

• Fastcast
• Chainspell
• Ancient Elemental Spells
• And now the most powerful raising spell

... really SE??

(probably not the best way to go about making classes more distinctive)

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XIV chainspell is weak compaired to XI chainspell, but yea, its totally red mage. ancient spells suxxor... but yea, totally black mage. now getting highest res spells, which is totally white mage...

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Originally Posted by giftforce

The real question is whether or not everyone is being pigeon-holed, not just CONs.

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I hope THAT is the case, cause otherwise what's the point of playing a class wheren there is no "real direction" the class is going?

Jobs are meant to make you more "specific" in your class abilities, so if GLA becomes a PLD, I want to be able to tank and nothing else, if I'd like to deal DMG, then I wouldn't play GLA as a main.

People need to fucking make up their minds before choosing a class. If you thought you can pick one class and then be a "Jack of all trades", you need to go, cause if MMOs would be like this, there is no point in starting a class anyway, we could all be called Adventurers and everyone learns the same shit at the same ranks...

I'm really still hoping they take back what they said about 1 job per class and give the mage classes 2 jobs each. Conjurer becomes Black Mage and White Mage while Thaumaturge gets Scholar and Red Mage. I really don't think either class should get stuck with the a healer role job when they come out but can still do so if they want to if they are given 2 jobs.

As for other job related hopes, I hope the barrier skill and the flaming arrow attack in the introductory movie is given to my conjurer and archer. It's a bit odd that the starting movie that is suppose to represent the game has none of the skills shown to actually be in the game still.

Also Thaumaturges could start learning more spells that deal with Astral and Umbral powers/things that take place over time (healing/damage/buffs/etc.)

Conjurers SHOULD have the majority of healing spells since they are already blm/whm style classes. Not to mention the majority of players are just going to move to a job once they hit, and those will be even more specific. And lets not forget that classes are still undergoing revamping/skill change/skill removal/addition.

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Originally Posted by Hotohori

I'm really still hoping they take back what they said about 1 job per class and give the mage classes 2 jobs each. Conjurer becomes Black Mage and White Mage while Thaumaturge gets Scholar and Red Mage. I really don't think either class should get stuck with the a healer role job when they come out but can still do so if they want to if they are given 2 jobs.

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Its not going to be 1 job per class forever. That was just the plan to get the first initial jobs out.

Well, with the addition of Curaga spells it would indeed seem to be that I am being forced to play a class other than the one I picked at the title screen way back in the beginning of FFXIV.

This doesn't need to be necessary. Dev team, if I don't want to play a white mage, give me a black mage job. Do it.