Vote Kick yourself....

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Originally Posted by LexSunfire

if you want to leave then leave. but trying to "give a reason" to get a reduced penalty...? who decides if your "reason" is good enough to get a reduced penalty? or does your "reason" need to be good at all? can I just put that "people are stupid meanies" and that'll be good enough to get a reduced penalty? how does this suggestion not get abused?

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Everything gets abused... Like DF...

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Originally Posted by Sensyon

Everything gets abused... Like DF...

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I think this argument just sold me on your suggestion...



... not. you want to implement a policy that everyone is going to abused which is fine because other things in the game gets abused. implementing this suggestion is effectively lowering the 30 minute penalty for everyone because no one is going to take a 30 minute penalty when they can just give any reason for why they should get a reduced penalty. SE doubled the penalty for leaving for a reason.

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Originally Posted by LexSunfire

I think this argument just sold me on your suggestion...



... not.

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Oh crap. Sorry, I didn't know you worked on the development team. Had I known I was supposed to be selling you this idea, I've would have provided a more in-depth analysis. Please, if I could just have your personal email, so that I might send you the information, we could really get the ball rolling on this...

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Originally Posted by Sensyon

Oh crap. Sorry, I didn't know you worked on the development team. Had I known I was supposed to be selling you this idea, I've would have provided a more in-depth analysis. Please, if I could just have your personal email, so that I might send you the information, we could really get the ball rolling on this...

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well... we're discussing the merits of your suggestion are we not? if you can't convince your fellow players of your suggestion why do you think some dev is going to read this and think "oh yeah we should implement this?"

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Originally Posted by Sensyon

You did not understand at all apparently. Literally, everything I've been saying is the exact opposite of what you just asked. I mean, wow. You're not even close. The three of us that were not preformed WANTED to teach them. They just wanted the carry. What they were doing was not good enough with their gear, plus Echo buff to win. I can prove it... We did not win...

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Ok, cus your wording was a little odd in that post for me.

And "We did not win" doesn't mean that they weren't doing the right thing. Did they SAY that they wanted a carry? If not, then how can you prove that they wanted to be carried and weren't actually, you know, trying to beat it?

Maybe it was you three who had the wrong idea of how to beat it and it was you guys that were screwing up the run and not them?

I know that if I were to play the same way with EVERY group, I'd be failing most of my instances. Instead, I adjust to the group the best I can. This is especially important as a GLD at low levels since honestly, if I didn't aggro would go everywhere instead of at me.

You can already vote kick yourself. Log out.

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Originally Posted by LexSunfire

well... we're discussing the merits of your suggestion are we not? if you can't convince your fellow players of your suggestion why do you think some dev is going to read this and think "oh yeah we should implement this?"

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You misunderstand. "Odd" provided insight on page 1 that I agreed with on the post sometime after, thus I am satisfied. I actually appreciated the way SE provides alternatives to the 30 minute penalty for DF by making it solo-DF only, instead of letting these trolls affect my experience after the fact. Everything I'm posting now is just in response to those of you who keep responding without fully understanding what I was talking about in the first place. As to not be rude, I am just continuing the discussion by responding to those who cared enough to keep posting. My fellow players (or at least "Odd") came up with a solution that wasn't just the typical and ineffective "Just deal with it". As I said in the second sentence of my first post, I assumed there was someone out there with a better idea and there was.

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Originally Posted by Sensyon

As to not be rude, I am just continuing the discussion by responding to those who cared enough to keep posting.

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posting argumentative comments "as to not be rude." still winning. alright, done with this troll.

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Originally Posted by ariaandkia

Ok, cus your wording was a little odd in that post for me.

And "We did not win" doesn't mean that they weren't doing the right thing. Did they SAY that they wanted a carry? If not, then how can you prove that they wanted to be carried and weren't actually, you know, trying to beat it?

Maybe it was you three who had the wrong idea of how to beat it and it was you guys that were screwing up the run and not them?

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Yes, the WHM told us with a 50% Echo Buff, it was impossible to lose and that everyone was "Getting carried by Square". In all honesty, I did think we could do it, because of Echo, but when I suggested to the 3 BLMs to use Sprint to help with dodging the plumes, he told them not to worry about it as we can eat the plumes now. For the record, my strat was to dodge the plumes and landslides and burn down the Gaols, then focus on the boss. He also kept walking off the edge...

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Originally Posted by LexSunfire

posting argumentative comments "as to not be rude." still winning. alright, done with this troll.

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I thought you were already done. How am I the troll? What are you doing here..?

And the only arguments I made were in response to incorrect assumptions or interpretations of what I was saying.

No, seriously. I mean this seriously. Man up.

Seriously. Man up.

If you don't want to be in the party anymore, you leave. If you don't want to deal with them anymore, you leave.

If you feel the party has no chance of success, you leave.

In every possible scenario, you can vote abandon. If they don't want to, then you leave.

You take the penalty and you leave. That's the point of the duty finder. You're in it to win it, and if you quit, that's on you. That's why you get the penalty even if it's 'not my fault'.

This thread....

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Originally Posted by Sensyon

You did not understand at all apparently. Literally, everything I've been saying is the exact opposite of what you just asked. I mean, wow. You're not even close. The three of us that were not preformed WANTED to teach them. They just wanted the carry. What they were doing was not good enough with their gear, plus Echo buff to win. I can prove it... We did not win...

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Frankly, it's painfully obvious that you are the one who does not understand. You come to the forums looking to garner support for an idea you have that is based on personal experience and emotion more than logic, when told many times and in many ways WHY your idea is terrible, you play the "I'm so misunderstood" card and the classic "Well, you just don't understand me" trick. I tried to be nice about it before, but now I will say it plain.

Your idea is bad. Come up with a new one. Or don't.

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Originally Posted by Seshayn

Frankly, it's painfully obvious that you are the one who does not understand. You come to the forums looking to garner support for an idea you have that is based on personal experience and emotion more than logic, when told many times and in many ways WHY your idea is terrible, you play the "I'm so misunderstood" card and the classic "Well, you just don't understand me" trick. I tried to be nice about it before, but now I will say it plain.

Your idea is bad. Come up with a new one. Or don't.

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Nope, I don't agree. I "played the 'I'm so misunderstood' card", as you put it, because the statement was the exact opposite of what I had described. He/she pretty much described something that never happened, but he/she made it seem like I described it as such. That comment I made was to inform them(you started with, "let me get this straight" or something like that, right?) that they did not get it straight. Also, Aria commented on it and we were on the same page. Even if she didn't agree.

All good, though. Thanks for your input. I'm not trying to anger you. And I agreed with Odd's suggestion. Also, the second sentence of my first post admitted that there's a better solution within the community. So, we're all good. Think we can close this one out and call it a day. Also, funny enough, I agreed with your first post. Gave you a like on it. Thought it was very helpful. So, no real need to get any more plain.

Nah. I mean I have no choice, because the game is designed that way, but people are complaining about stuff all over the place. So, nah. Also, that's kinda sexist...