Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

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Originally Posted by Doctor-

I am sorry but this FATE time sink is beyond insanely stupid 3hours now of RNG and 0 Atma........ This is not what players wanted in terms of time sinks >.<. (I vouche for all the ppl doing FATE this morning) xD

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Even though this may not be what you expected, you have a time sink now and a "Long term goal" to work towards. Get to it! No complaining maggot!

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

I never asked for this. And anyone that actually asked for a brainless grind of easy content should not have been heard at all.

The only hard work involved on this quest is staying awake while you do your 100th Incredibly Fun Wanderer's Palace run for the Myths.

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Brainless grind is exactly what players here have asked for, be it easy brainless grind or hard brainless grind.
Maybe not you specifically, but plenty of players made it quite clear that they wanted something like this.
It's not time-gated... It's not loot-locked... It's a brainless grind.

And since you seem to be unaware of it, there's plenty of other dungeons you can run for myths... dungeons that give myths and soldiery so you can work on gearing up at the same time...

Actually, its not that bad. lol. I do agree the rate is low, but I've already gotten 3 pieces, just stopping to do fates while I did the main quest.

http://i.imgur.com/hAmAoJr.jpg

lol I definitely didn't ask for this but people kept complaining about relics so here you go. Meanwhile I think I'll focus on leviathan and then the masterworks weapon. Have fun with this.

I don't think it'll be too bad. I haven't logged in yet, but people not getting past the Atma stage within the first few hours doesn't seem terrible (though the means to do it might be a bit grindy and mindless). Judging by progress, it looks like some people will progress to the next stage by the end of the day or tomorrow where what appears to be the real grind begins.

im sorry...are you saying its 13.5k myth to upgrade a weapon?! that MAYBE would be acceptable if I wanted to upgrade one weapon...but this game revolves around using multiple classes/weapons.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Brainless grind is exactly what players here have asked for, be it easy brainless grind or hard brainless grind.
Maybe not you specifically, but plenty of players made it quite clear that they wanted something like this.
It's not time-gated... It's not loot-locked... It's a brainless grind.

And since you seem to be unaware of it, there's plenty of other dungeons you can run for myths... dungeons that give myths and soldiery so you can work on gearing up at the same time...

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The dungeon was just an example. Whatever is the fastest way to get myths after patch will be the one spammed by anyone serious about getting the weapons quickly, that's beside the point.

The main idea is that this is a complete timesink with absolutely no challenge involved at all. I will never understand the people who actually wanted this, sorry.

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Originally Posted by ZeroHigh

Actually, its not that bad. lol. I do agree the rate is low, but I've already gotten 3 pieces, just stopping to do fates while I did the main quest.

http://i.imgur.com/hAmAoJr.jpg

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You got lucky.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

im sorry...are you saying its 13.5k myth to upgrade a weapon?! that MAYBE would be acceptable if I wanted to upgrade one weapon...but this game revolves around using multiple classes/weapons.

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I'm bad at math, but from the way OP wrote it, it looks like 13 installments of 500, and I'm pretty sure that's a different cost? I am REALLY bad at math.

This is what happens when it goes from handing out relics to actually making you work for it. Remember: Patches are supposed to keep people busy until the next, they have to stretch content out somehow.

To be honest, I don't know what the rest of the players want. As this guy pointed out:

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Originally Posted by Thaliss

Hi,
Sure they don't expect everybody to do it but there are people that want long grinding.
The upgrade is not mandatory and there are other weapons iLvL 100 to 115 that don't demand that amount of grinding.
It's a choice, I guess they allow people to have easily all Zenith relics but to get all zodiacs not that easy.

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And I agree with him. Also...

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Originally Posted by Nepenthe

3 hours huh? It was years before I got my first MVP card in Ragnarok! ;)

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I never got my Ghostring/Golden Thief Bug Card!!! ;_;

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Originally Posted by Esmian

lol I definitely didn't ask for this but people kept complaining about relics so here you go. Meanwhile I think I'll focus on leviathan and then the masterworks weapon. Have fun with this.

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How dare you bring logic and options into this thread!

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Originally Posted by Brady672

I'm bad at math, but from the way OP wrote it, it looks like 13 installments of 500, and I'm pretty sure that's a different cost? I am REALLY bad at math.

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It's 9 installments of 1500 myth each actually for 13500 total.
4 installments are available now with more being available in 2.25.

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Originally Posted by Brady672

I'm bad at math, but from the way OP wrote it, it looks like 13 installments of 500, and I'm pretty sure that's a different cost? I am REALLY bad at math.

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13.500 Mythology.
After you complete the Atma stage you will have to do 9 challenges involving "Trials of the Braves", each trial costs 1500 Mythology.

That said, bring it on.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

I never got my Ghostring/Golden Thief Bug Card!!! ;_;

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OMG golden thief bug card! was never able to get it, same with the Garm Card.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

im sorry...are you saying its 13.5k myth to upgrade a weapon?! that MAYBE would be acceptable if I wanted to upgrade one weapon...but this game revolves around using multiple classes/weapons.

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That's to upgrade your Zenith...
You also have the Weathered i100 that can be upgraded to i110
And Wave/Tidal Wave for i95/i100
and High Allagan for i115

You have OPTIONS...

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

im sorry...are you saying its 13.5k myth to upgrade a weapon?! that MAYBE would be acceptable if I wanted to upgrade one weapon...but this game revolves around using multiple classes/weapons.

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So does FFXI and it's a game that's ran for 11 years.

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Originally Posted by Brady672

I'm bad at math, but from the way OP wrote it, it looks like 13 installments of 500, and I'm pretty sure that's a different cost? I am REALLY bad at math.

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It's actually 9 installments of 1,500 myth tomes. You use 1.5k myth to buy a book. The book will give you some sort of objective(s) to complete before you can move on to the next 1.5k myth tome book. You cannot possess 2 books simultaneously (so you can't put the objectives on hold until you have 3 or 4 of them to do or anything).

I don't mind the grind.

nice to see a fellow ragnarok players ;)

So much whining.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

It's 9 installments of 1500 myth each actually for 13500 total.
4 installments are available now with more being available in 2.25.

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Only 4? Does anyone know then if your Atma weapon upgrades to Animus after the 4th or do we do this whole quest line without any sort of upgrade? I was thinking initially we had to do all 9 before Atma upgraded to Animus. 4 Doesn't seem so bad. 6K myth seems far more manageable to obtain in the near future.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

The dungeon was just an example. Whatever is the fastest way to get myths after patch will be the one spammed by anyone serious about getting the weapons quickly, that's beside the point.

The main idea is that this is a complete timesink with absolutely no challenge involved at all. I will never understand the people who actually wanted this, sorry.

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Remember that this is only to get the precursor...
I haven't seen anyone list what is required to complete one book yet. The challenges could be in there...

Grinding for myths is to get the books.

lawl , i was joking with ls mates about it :rolleyes: , was expecting to kill 50 tonberrys while raining on fireday but 12 fates sure is better way ....and 12k tomes? sure :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Best part of all... players actually begged for something like this...
Now that they actually got it... they complain about the work necessary...

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I'm REALLY sure nobody said "please, more FATEs, they're fun!". I don't mind a quest like "kill 500 ixalis/kobols/whatever", where i can see some kind of progress. But i don't want a stupid system that makes me wait for a fate to spawn, go in, end it and then "i have the item? *teleport*, i don't have the item? gaah... *mount*"


Please, SE, i beg you. Stop forcing us to do FATEs. THEY'RE. NOT. FUN.

This is actually the best news I've heard in a while...

You have options on spending, and it will actually take time to get it.

Also, I don't like how everyone could get Relic so fast before. Zenith was a little more to spend, but still, the normal Relic shouldn't be that easy, and everyone shouldn't have 5 relics.....

This way you will actually focus all efforts on one job, and go for other weapons for your alts.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Remember that this is only to get the precursor...
I haven't seen anyone list what is required to complete one book yet. The challenges could be in there...

Grinding for myths is to get the books.

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The 'challenge' is do certain leves, fates, trash mob and dungeon bosses kills. Nothing major, unless it actually includes T6+ Coil bosses.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Remember that this is only to get the precursor...
I haven't seen anyone list what is required to complete one book yet. The challenges could be in there...

Grinding for myths is to get the books.

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From datamined screenshots on reddit the challenge in the books after grinding for them is....wait for it...

more grinding for incremental increases in stats. Like 2 str at a time.

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Originally Posted by Nepenthe

3 hours huh? It was years before I got my first MVP card in Ragnarok! ;)

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Not having your MVP card wouldnt black list you from events. not having your fully upgraded relic will.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

This way you will actually focus all efforts on one job, and go for other weapons for your alts.

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True, and it makes me sad, since i like to play all roles. Now i'm forced to pick one (my main, of course) to be "the very best". To get one Relic animus and then leviathan ex weapons on alts its fine, but.. what about gear? 13500 myth for this relic means 13500 less mith for your alts, and that means almost 3 full "af+1".

"You could buy 90 the gear with the new recipes". Yeah.... 3m each piece... i'll wait 6 months, when they'll be totally useless, thanks. "You can gear your craft and craft them for yourself".... i was willing to, but the requirements for 3 star recipes and craft/gathering gear are simply insane.... i wanted to improve all my craft/gathering classes. Now i guess i'won't improve none of my classes...

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Originally Posted by Esmian

From datamined screenshots on reddit the challenge in the books after grinding for them is....wait for it...

more grinding for incremental increases in stats. Like 2 str at a time.

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Yeah... Saw that screenshot... Which only said FATEs, Dungeons, Enemies and Leves, with no real details...

Well for organized group, T4 farming is 20 mytho and 10 sol for 7 minutes (doubt you can go much lower than this with the loading times and cs to skip, 6 might be reachable). So about 180 mytho per hour. You have 4 weeks (before 2.25) to do 4 installement, so need to do one per week. About 8 hours of grind per week, if you only used that; since you will be farming dungeons for sol and stuff, and doing primals or what have you, a 3 to 4 hours run per week is all you will need. It's not that bad.

Obviously if you want to get your 7 relic upgraded or something silly, have fun.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Yeah... Saw that screenshot... Which only said FATEs, Dungeons, Enemies and Leves, with no real details...

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Its only the first 4 installement. In 2.25 5 others are coming. They seem to be exclusive at the time, so we can imagine they will expand on other stuff. Most likely they want you to experiment a bit of everything to get the weapon fully upgraded. 5 other kind of stuff... Hmm let's see, CT, first coil, primals ?

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Originally Posted by Veronyca

Not having your MVP card wouldnt black list you from events. not having your fully upgraded relic will.

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Not having your fully upgraded relic won't block you one bit...
You still have other weapon options.
And current best weapon is the High Allagan ones.

You could go for Gerolt Masterworks (i100 upgradable to i110) as well...

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

We obviously have different definitions of work :/ Waiting in a spot for a fate to spawn whilest tabbing out, and having netflix running on half my screen while I run around spamming flash mindlessly doesn't really count as work to me. Just mind-numbing tedium I thought I'd gotten away from.... oh well, it is what it is. Let's not pretend it's hard though.

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Wait...this sounds like...FFXI?!?!! You mean...what everyone wanted?! *gasp*

You wanted a long grind and you wanted a reason to leave RT. Well, you got both. Have at it.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

It's 9 installments of 1500 myth each actually for 13500 total.
4 installments are available now with more being available in 2.25.

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Oh I see. I guess the formatting of the title just confused me. Thanks for the clarification!

I for one am perfectly fine with a long term goal, it'll keep me playing everyday I can :)

The patch was released today and people are already compaining that it's too hard to get their relics.
I don't think it was supposed to be so easy that you could get it in one day
I sure hope it wasn't

I haven't even got my first relic yet so I got plenty of content to look forward to

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

Wait...this sounds like...FFXI?!?!! You mean...what everyone wanted?! *gasp*

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The irony is, the XIV community was so adamant the "FFXI crowd" is so small that SE would and should never listen to them, so no it's far from XI because even in XI you could proc 100% drop rate on those Atmas.

xD

Seriously though, people still don't understand the concept of keeping people busy until the next patch? They did this with LotA with the weekly lockout.

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Originally Posted by Merle

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for your other jobs, (for weapons at least), you'll have levi/restaured weapons. good enough

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

The patch was released today and people are already compaining that it's too hard to get their relics.

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The point is.... is not "too hard". It's just useless and stupid.

A) "Kill 10.000.000.000 Ixalis" Ok, bring it on! ò.ó/
B) "Wait for FATEs and enjoy our RNG".............. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope