The awkward truth of Open World vs. Instanced, though, is that the one with better gear inevitably invalidates the other. If consistent, open-world content provided the best gear in the game, everyone would flock to it, and vice versa for instanced. Most of us are aware of instances invalidating the world, but an example of the world invalidating instances is GW2, where there is little to no reason to spam Dungeons for Exotics, and after a few patches it isn't necessary to spam Fractals for Ascended either.
The closest solution I can think of is for Open World content to follow a completely separate progression route from Instanced content. That could mean anything from being the only way to access certain recipes, farmable loot...hell, maybe even world-specific skills or something. Yes, the side effect would be "forcing" everyone to do everything, but quite frankly after the 500th hour I think most people would be willing to break their routine.
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03-25-2014, 08:36 AMAldracity
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03-25-2014, 03:44 PMBlackHaloJT
This is what led most people to believe it would be a mix of open/instanced battle content. SE showed us a futuristic view of 2.0 when Version 1 was coming to its end. A world full of life and imagination one without boundaries. Instead we got the Candy land instanced lobby cramped world. Certainly not what it turned out to be.
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03-25-2014, 04:02 PMDjeseritQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackHaloJT
Funny, I see nothing in that picture that specifically shows it as being open world.
I can go into the Chimera fight and pull it out of the cave and get a fairly similar picture, just a different background.
Edit: In fact, you can see a timer on the right hand side, which should have been a clue that it was instanced. IIRC, 1.0 dungeons had timers, too, did they not?
You saw what you wanted to see, and are upset that the end result is nothing that you envisioned. There's nothing wrong with that, but your disappointment is due to your misinterpretation of the image you linked. -
03-25-2014, 04:14 PMBlackHaloJTDefense huddle. You could be right or you could wrong. Looks pretty open worldish to me but I better take off my super rose tinted spectacles. Anyway maybe I should of rephrased the most part and just excluded certain godmode people. When I remember seeing this picture it looks no where shape or form to what we have now. But I will say todays 2.0 is still a Candy land instanced lobby cramped snorefest<< added this one in sounded fun world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Djeserit
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03-25-2014, 04:31 PMPenceIf only there was a zone which occasionally spawned an open world Chimera ;).....Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackHaloJT
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03-25-2014, 04:43 PMRorisI really wish they could have kept a lot of things from that concept like the titles, the font and font style, the look of the HP bars, LS/FC emblems, assigning roles to party members, even the hand cursor and it also has what looks like a handy distance meter for ranged attacks. Not to mention the blatant bait and switch with the battle system.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackHaloJT
As for the battle itself it's obviously what eventually evolved into the Dhorme Chimera, but it could also have been uninstanced and worked like the old Faction Leves since it has a timer and leves have one too, we may never know. I still really want them to do something more like Faction Leves did but maybe using a different same system of allowances, since those also had some unique lore and most of them had multiple steps that took you all over areas of the admittedly copy pasted world, it'd be a great way to use the current open world. -
03-26-2014, 01:03 AMBlackHaloJT
@ Doris awesome someone gets the concept and thinking outside the box. Not the boring oh its Chimera and I pulled it outside snore fest reply. But that is what ARR is dumbed down you don't need to think so I expect those answers.
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03-26-2014, 01:14 AMTupsi
I miss not being tied to a GCD and it feeling like an actual FF game. There's very few MMOs that even utilize a GCD..
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03-26-2014, 01:33 AMGalaxia
the only problem on the game atm is that SE is locking content with a lot of restrictions and weekly instanced, even if 2.2 if coming out, theres a lot of content that is gonna be locked as well, stopping player progression
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03-26-2014, 01:52 AMGramulThat's just it. This isn't really a world where you're encouraged to interact or take it easy anymore. It's a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by MurakumoMillennium
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03-26-2014, 01:58 AMFelisYou can have the same battle in North Thanalan in the open world, with a lot more players fighting with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackHaloJT
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...ec9264513e.jpg
Go, Go, Gorgimera ^^
Only the rewards could be better for lv50 classes
Instances, Leves, Behests, Chocobo Caravan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Djeserit
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03-26-2014, 02:18 AMSeif
Every area should get tons of collectables for you to find.
Imagine them hidden behind enemies and DoL points.
These would go into a treasure log with every area having a set number of slots for you to complete.
The treasure could be hidden in any way possible. Just in a hard to find location, as a FATE reward, guven from a quest, as a fishable item, in shards as mob drops... The sky is the limit. This would make every nook snd cranny a potential place for treasure in the world. -
03-26-2014, 02:20 AMFelisWe have already Treasure Hunting in the open world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seif
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03-26-2014, 02:26 AMTiggy
I leave town all the time. Once we bought a house I rarely have a reason to leave my ward outside of grabbing something from a vendor, maps, or dailies. I finished my dailies last week so that's off the list now. Bring on the new content!
Every time someone posts that picture I think of that fate. Then I think to myself "but it clearly IS in the game." Having a clock on the side could have been anything not just instanced content. Fates themselves do have a clock after all. So yeah, they did that picture. The minor details changing is just a fact of software development. It's actually rather spot on for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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03-26-2014, 02:35 AMTupsiI then wonder:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
"How does the FATE in N. Thanalan benefit level 50 characters in a meaningful way? How does it aid in level 50 progression? How does it compare to past Chimeras that even dropped DL gear? What purpose does it serve beyond trying to get people to level 50?" -
03-26-2014, 02:51 AMTannloreA minion, GC seals, Gil, an achivement. The question is more what value do you place on these things post 50? What would you like for him to drop to make it of value to you? Then realize, depending on what you want it to drop, he might be quite harder. Then realize if it is something good, you'll have a LOT of people there. Then... well look at Odin/Behemoth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
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03-26-2014, 03:00 AMFelisI wish he would drop untradable crafting mats for ilevel 100 gear. The gear would be also untradeable after it is crafted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tannlore
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03-26-2014, 03:02 AMSendohJinwould the gear be tradable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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03-26-2014, 03:05 AMFelisUntradeableQuote:
Originally Posted by SendohJin
It would be the hardcore oldschool way to get ilevel 100 gear with no RMT or tomes involved ^^
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03-26-2014, 03:11 AMPooky_Pasha
@OP, I spend most of my time out in the world. I would guess I spend about 80% out in the world, 20% in a hub. It may even be a more dramatic difference even. The content is there if you choose to do it.
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03-26-2014, 03:28 AMBattlewrenchShould be able to plus 10 that comment and give up my right to plus anyone the rest of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
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03-26-2014, 05:31 AMKroyipi
Greetings,
We understand that you have different concerns regarding the game content and we are sorry to hear that you are unsatisfied with the current way that FINAL FANTASY XIV is being developed.
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