The number of bad players are rising!

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Originally Posted by Blissa

Two days ago I ran into a drg that died so much her armor broke in CM. Yesterday I ran into a WHM that couldn't doge to save his life so he died over and over and our group kept wiping! These are just two examples, I could go on and on.

P.S. I don't know if they are doing it because they are board or if they really are that bad of a player. But what ever the reason its getting annoying. :mad:

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More like, the number of good players is decreasing.

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Originally Posted by Otoha

More like, the number of good players is decreasing.

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^ This.

I for one don't play as much as i used to. I will play alot again after 2.2 though.

This game has the highest number of horribads I have ever seen and like OP said, the number is increasing. I was in a group that wiped on ultima story mode, phase 1, TWICE. How is that even possible?

I know what you mean OP, number of Tanks dropping after first wipe is rising. Instead of people trying to figure out a solution to preventing a wipe again they just leave and its always the Tank the leads in dropping from the dungeon, this is assuming he even stays in the roulette as the dungeon loads up.

I don't call players that wipe bad, I call the players quitting bad. Too many times I get players wanting to abandon on first wipe instead of figuring out a solution to prevent the wipe. Bad players arent going to improve if you aren't willing to work with them.

Rage Quitters or Quitters = Bad Players

My GF is a really good tank and she ran ct for the first time unfortunately without me... She was new to CT and from what I understand was ganged up on by all the people in the raid... People berated her so bad that she doesn't even tank anymore, this disgusts me not only because she is my gf but for the simple fact that people can take a game so seriously... Because someone is new doesn't mean that they are bad, sometimes it takes time to learn what you are doing and some people get overwhelmed by too much chaos... How many dungeons have you ran not having a clue what's happening just rolling though the motions? On another note this rage quitting or belittling is totally unacceptable... People are suppose to work together to achieve something and help people that are falling behind... Don't complain about people, if it bothers you that much then help change them and mold them... I was in the military and when one of our comrades was struggling we didn't say screw it and leave him behind... We helped pick him back up and push him forward... Not everyone is on your level but one day that might surpass it...

I agree rage quitters are bad players. I typically see this on primal battles when after 1-2 wipes ppl vote abandon or simply leave.

I wouldn't call them bad players, just inexperienced. If you do the same content over and over again you'll memorize the mechanics. That and there's also people playing/leveling thier alts for fun.

That and I also think that the number of new players are increasing, while the vets are off doing the harder content with ppl they know.

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Originally Posted by Ed_N_Ants

My GF is a really good tank and she ran ct for the first time unfortunately without me... She was new to CT and from what I understand was ganged up on by all the people in the raid... People berated her so bad that she doesn't even tank anymore, this disgusts me not only because she is my gf but for the simple fact that people can take a game so seriously... Because someone is new doesn't mean that they are bad, sometimes it takes time to learn what you are doing and some people get overwhelmed by too much chaos...

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OK, I have to ask, how often do you two not play together? Yes...this is important.

What did she do to cause the hate? Pull the Valefor in a way to wipe the raid with tail swipe? (which no tank should do, no matter how inexperienced they are at CT. Its the same enemy as the last boss of AK...)

Also, if one instance without you made her "stop tanking"...maybe she isn't really cut out to be a tank in the first place...

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Originally Posted by Orophin

In spite of its intent, I don't think commendations are a surefire way of measuring how helpful you are.

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It's not surefire but for the most part players with a lot of commendations are helpful, friendly, solid players. You wouldn't give it to anyone that rage I'm sure.




As for helping players: There's a lot of players that constantly ask for help and never gives any. There are also a lot of hypocrites that sound all friendly and helpful on the forums but in video game reality, aren't really helpful at all. Some players receive help, but then never bother to help anyone. Players are trying to paint players that need help as some poor guy that is physically weak and needs assistance. You got guys that constantly in progress/withdraw duty finders to farm easier yet they considered themselves helpful players.

It's the end of the world!

Shrug, I am not the greatest player, not the worst one either.
I find very few truely BAD players, most of them are new and have not seen the fight in question or were given bad advice on par with "attack boss, someone else will get the adds, and stay our of stuff." What is see a ton of are entitlement children and people saying things in chat (mostly Ct and shouts in Mor Dhona) that make me wonder if they have touretes or just not a shred of manners.

Like all the other mmo games I have player there is good, there is bad, and then is the majority that that feel the need to be as offensive as possible.1

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Originally Posted by Doo

It's not surefire but for the most part players with a lot of commendations are helpful, friendly, solid players. You wouldn't give it to anyone that rage I'm sure.

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Or...they boosted in Guildhests, which is actually quite common, sadly. And even then, if you tank or heal you are almost guaranteed 1 or 2 commendations per run, sometimes all three, as long as you just do your job even somewhat competently.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Or...they boosted in Guildhests, which is actually quite common, sadly. And even then, if you tank or heal you are almost guaranteed 1 or 2 commendations per run, sometimes all three, as long as you just do your job even somewhat competently.

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lol yes xD You can spot the bored 50 with sugar coming off their tongues from a mile away, obviously digging for commendations ....

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Or...they boosted in Guildhests, which is actually quite common, sadly.

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I'm sure there are. I don't really go out of my way to farm them. Haven't done much content in df in a long time. I enjoy pf a lot better since you get to play with players on your server and might end up meeting players that you can actually play with again.

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Originally Posted by Doo

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

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With that logic, I wonder why you'd even play a MMO at all? Isn't teamwork kinda the whole point of an MMO? Working with others... being social... forming friendships.. having new experiences???

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

lol yes xD You can spot the bored 50 with sugar coming off their tongues from a mile away, obviously digging for commendations ....

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Damn you caught me D:
Commendations are the only reason why i lvld PLD.

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

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Originally Posted by Doo

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

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Because it is in the best interest of the good player to do so. It is NOT like you have to teach them everything or your best moves or techniques or PvP secrets. You teach them enough so they can teach others and in turn it helps you from having to suffer through their newbness.

It is enlightened self interest. Think a couple steps ahead and you'd be even better off in both real life and in game.

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Originally Posted by Katella_Avenlea

With that logic, I wonder why you'd even play a MMO at all? Isn't teamwork kinda the whole point of an MMO? Working with others... being social... forming friendships.. having new experiences???

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What did I say that would lead you to believe I'm not doing any of the things you mentioned? The fact that I don't feel someone should be expected to help?

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Originally Posted by Foo01

Because it is in the best interest of the good player to do so.

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Not really, if you play enough mmos you know there are simply these type of players that are moochers/leechers. You have to separate them from the players that genuinely needs help. All I'm saying is that I'm selective. It's great that everyone on here helps everyone and all. End game FFXIV would be awesome if this forum represented anything close to in game end game reality.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

I know let's take this into RL terms, Why are people with various skills alwaysexpected to teach teenagers? Why is a parent expected to teach their kids everything, they go to school for a reason.

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This is the STUPIDEST argument ever. People with certain skills teach teenagers because it's their JOB. They are TEACHERS who get PAID. When bads start paying me to teach them how to not derp, I'll be glad to do so.

To the people who say, "Relax and have fun," I say this: You can tell a lot about a person by how much effort they put into everyday tasks, and how much pride they get from doing something the right way. If you want to continue failing at dungeons, refusing to read about encounters, wearing the wrong gear, and playing your class badly, fine. When your laziness and bad attitude find themselves in a group with me, however, I will not hesitate to point it out. If you don't like that, feel free to ruin someone else's group.

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Originally Posted by Doo

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

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No one said good players are "expected" to teach bad players. What people are arguing is that experienced players should help teach inexperienced players. There's a big difference between poor play caused from lack of skill versus lack of knowledge. Like it or not, most people either don't want to invest time outside of the game reading up on the game, or they think they know how it works, when in reality they don't. These are the people worth helping. People like they guy I argued with for 10 mins about why he shouldn't Provoke pull every mob and boss are the ones who aren't worth helping :P

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Originally Posted by Provoke

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

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Because you can go on and on about the problem... or you can be part of the solution. Not everybody takes criticism well, but if we can all be adults about it, then the world can spin on. If there's anything that can make you happier in a game like this, it's a little less cynicism and a little more empathy.

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Originally Posted by Siobahn

This is the STUPIDEST argument ever. People with certain skills teach teenagers because it's their JOB. They are TEACHERS who get PAID. When bads start paying me to teach them how to not derp, I'll be glad to do so.

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And who pays the teachers? Looks like your tax dollars at work. So either you do it or you pay someone else to do it for you. You don't derp all that well. In every case, it helps you in the long run when the people/players are educated and are able to contribute.

BTW with a the large influx of inexperienced players, a.k.a. so called bads, showing up, could it be that influx was a contribution of the 50% off sale on steam not that long ago?

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Originally Posted by Kezy_Kaatapoh

No one said good players are "expected" to teach bad players. What people are arguing is that experienced players should help teach inexperienced players. People like they guy I argued with for 10 mins about why he shouldn't Provoke pull every mob and boss are the ones who aren't worth helping :P

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We are in agreement pretty much.

From having a good amount of mmo experience, you realize what type of players you should help and who not to. It's your choice really but some people here want to act all self righteous. Not everyone that needs help are nice people.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

OK, I have to ask, how often do you two not play together? Yes...this is important.

What did she do to cause the hate? Pull the Valefor in a way to wipe the raid with tail swipe? (which no tank should do, no matter how inexperienced they are at CT. Its the same enemy as the last boss of AK...)

Also, if one instance without you made her "stop tanking"...maybe she isn't really cut out to be a tank in the first place...

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I work night shift and she works days so probably about 4 days a week... I'm not sure on the whole scenerio and quite frankly it doesn't matter... It wasn't that she was running without me that irrelevant... It's the fact that deuch bags don't need to jump on inexperienced player for whatever reason... I would never berate someone who is trying... EVER... I've ran titan, I get frustrated I get it, but i don't tell people they suck and they need to quit or whatever else... I explain and teach something everyone should be doing... You ever tried doing a meld for someone that is new...

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Originally Posted by Doo

Not really, if you play enough mmos you know there are simply these type of players that are moochers/leechers.

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Well that sounds like the 1% in real life a.k.a. elitist. Why do folks like you assume that people want to be freeloaders? Could it be that the system/society does NOT hand out stuff to everyone so there will be people/player that are in less favorable situations? And it follows then by helping them you help yourself, when they learn what they need to do, they can in turn help other people/players and relieve you of that task.

BTW the reason you think they are all moochers is because you are selfish, and you do NOT want to contribute to common good. By calling them moochers you give yourself the excuse to not care about them. Additionally you think the system should be setup to only benefit you, which really means you are the moocher you so hate, and that would clearly explain your moocher mentality.

The number of bad players are rising? I'm more worried about the number of rude players, they are far worse to deal with it.

This thread is sums everything that is wrong with mankind...

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Originally Posted by Evil_Betox

The number of bad players are rising? I'm more worried about the number of rude players, they are far worse to deal with it.

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Rude players are definitely a much bigger problem. Rude players with elitist attitudes are the worst of them all.

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Not everyone that needs help are nice people.

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This.
Was in a dungeon with a whm that only used cure II and was running out of mana a lot in the middle of fights. A dps said "Hey whm, do you mind if I give you a few tips that'll help you out in the log run from running oom? :)" the whm replied. "You can but I won't listen" .___.

Bad.

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Rude players with elitist attitudes are the worst of them all.

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I feel rude bads are way worse, at least with an elitist you can finish the dungeon, can't do that with a horribad that refuses to take advice.

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Originally Posted by Naberrie

It's called community. If you see an old man burdened with carrying too much and struggling to get through a door do you stop to hold the door open, or tell him next time look up a walk through for the door on YouTube and equip himself better?

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I would walk on by, don't wanna get sued when he pretends to fall and blames me for the injuries kinda like when people try to help out new players only to see them lash back at them and go crying to forums or reddit or what have you

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Originally Posted by Foo01

And who pays the teachers? Looks like your tax dollars at work. So either you do it or you pay someone else to do it for you. You don't derp all that well. In every case, it helps you in the long run when the people/players are educated and are able to contribute.

BTW with a the large influx of inexperienced players, a.k.a. so called bads, showing up, could it be that influx was a contribution of the 50% off sale on steam not that long ago?

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Than at the first week of February, Playstation had 50% sale on all Final Fantasy games on PSN. This dropped FFXIV:ARR to 20 bucks regular edition and 30 bucks collectors, I only remember this because 2 days before I brought FFXIV:ARR for 40 bucks on PSN. Did this because I knew the game would be digital no matter what and once you activate the game on your account it is locked there.

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Originally Posted by Faedden

This.
I feel rude bads are way worse, at least with an elitist you can finish the dungeon, can't do that with a horribad that refuses to take advice.

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No one ever said that all elitist are good. Those that don't take advice are elitist that don't realize that they are terrible. They think they are elite with their ways. They are just real elite at being horribad.

The 1 - 49 contents needs to be a little more punishing to make people more aware of how to play their job, consider many of them tends to hate being offered advice.

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Originally Posted by Foo01

And who pays the teachers? Looks like your tax dollars at work. So either you do it or you pay someone else to do it for you. You don't derp all that well. In every case, it helps you in the long run when the people/players are educated and are able to contribute.

BTW with a the large influx of inexperienced players, a.k.a. so called bads, showing up, could it be that influx was a contribution of the 50% off sale on steam not that long ago?

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Then the taxes they charge at the market board should be used to hire in game teachers. lolol I want to see my in gil taxes at work!

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Then the taxes they charge at the market board should be used to hire in game teachers. lolol I want to see my in gil taxes at work!

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They do, it is the duty roulette. They pay substitute teacher pay, i.e. the daily bonus, and you don't have to do it on a permanent basis.

Or would rather SE formalize a teaching guild/FC where players sign up for duty, and have qualifications tests, and obligations to do and be paid out in gil? Shouldn't this be up to the players to form some open world FC to instruct the noobs?

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Originally Posted by Foo01

No one ever said that all elitist are good. Those that don't take advice are elitist that don't realize that they are terrible. They think they are elite with their ways.

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You're using elitist wrong.

Elitist are good players that usually don't want to run with noobs/under geared players. Everyone has to have top gear and be top players.

I noticed a lot of people in this community don't know the difference between casual, hardcore, no lifer, jerks, and elitist.

Let's see how long it takes before someone calls me elitist because I actually know how to use the term. *Looks at watch*

I agree, they do a good job teaching you mechanics of dungeons via guildhests, but then they omit that and then suddenly at 50 your gear is crap and the encounters a tougher. Which is why new players have such crappy gear at Titan HM.

I think what most people are saying is that you should at least try to help. If you do that and they ignore your advice anyway, then you at least have more grounds to complain about it. :P I have given advice before and been ignored but that didn't discourage me from still doing it. For every person that ignores you, there's usually one that does listen. They might not even acknowledge what you said, but you can see it in how they play. I got story Haukke Manor in low level duty roulette and one of the DPS was an arcanist who I could tell didn't have their pet on obey because it went into the first boss room and almost started the fight without the rest of us. So I told them, put pet on obey to prevent that. The arcanist didn't say anything, but their pet also didn't aggro bosses after that so I assume they did listen.

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Originally Posted by Faedden

I feel rude bads are way worse, at least with an elitist you can finish the dungeon, can't do that with a horribad that refuses to take advice.
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You're using elitist wrong.

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Similarily, your assumption that rude bads that don't take advice is the norm is also wrong. It is a bogus strawman. Sure they exist, but they do NOT last very long and do NOT get very far either.

What really happens is rude elitist goes off on someone with their holier than thou attitudes and gets a pissed off response in turn. It takes one to known one. It is not called advice when it is an insult.

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Originally Posted by Naberrie

It's called community. If you see an old man burdened with carrying too much and struggling to get through a door do you stop to hold the door open, or tell him next time look up a walk through for the door on YouTube and equip himself better?

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No, they kick him over and call him a filthy senior citizen before skipping inside and waving at him once it starts raining. Then QQ about him blocking the doorway.