OP you are beyond deluded if you believe one can just "DO" twintania or any ex primals just by watching a video
To Blue Garter and Who is really Hardcore on endgame content
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03-02-2014, 07:55 PMrazzgrizz3
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03-02-2014, 07:55 PMNeoAmon
Unfortunately this is not going to happen. Almost every successful coil group got a streamer amongst them or Youtube video maker. They are not going to miss the chance and not be among the firsts to record T6+ successful kills.
Recall how many FC uploaded their T5 kills for two weeks after BG?
There is something to also consider, if all the big FCs from BG to the last FC that killed Twin this week for the first time grouped up together to create the perfect video guide for Twin and gave it to a group that have not killed her yet, chances are they would need days if not weeks to execute it. -
03-02-2014, 08:17 PMMomitaQuote:
Originally Posted by razzgrizz3
I didn't say this... but with a video if no one know gimmicks (like twister) they learn how to dodge it ^^
Of course a group with skills can "Ditto" the video, it's not this the point of the thread ^^
My point is that the "Learning Phase" when NO ONE (even BG) know how to kill a boss (like twintania in september) is (imho ofc) the best part of the game... learning all together with your group to do the phases and kill it!
I understand not everyone thought like me, this is just a try to understand What I love in a game...
Now, Primal Ex was really easy and i understand that video start to pop up easily cuz not so hard.. i don't think exist First Kill for this because so easy that can be beated in a couple of hours...
my thread is more for that type of content like twintania where NO ONE know what to do.. and I remember the first time trying all together with all HC group on all server for world first kill (ofc everyone know BG had 99% possibility but trying and learning alone is more satisfating for me XD) -
03-02-2014, 08:22 PMTornadoFury
its all scripted you honestly don't need a guide for anything just do a fight write down patterns and pray your teammates have a good internet connection.
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03-02-2014, 08:28 PMKalleraI held the delete key for a good two minutes to say that I wish i could like this 100 times. There is something disingenuous about the gaming community where on one hand they seek out hardcore content, then insist in new parties that the first thing players should do is read the guide on how to win. There no fun anymore in the journey to these folk.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbncd
For me, i find there is no journey. When expanding the DF is the only feasible thing to do at endgame, with many other avenues of content becoming dead ends, there are few goals worth doing to the player. We each want different things to enjoy out of the game, but when it all gets shortchanged to insist upon 1 thing of worth in the endgame, the player's worth is devalued to insist upon clears. Those aren't human beings on the other end, they are bad NPCs that are keeping you from winning. Why spend 15 minutes helping them when you can take 15 seconds to kick them/leave, then look for a group that has the fight on farm? -
03-02-2014, 09:37 PMRenik
Easy solution, get rid of those horrible scripted battles, the guides would be merely info sources instead of a "how to kill X step by step" guide, everyone would have fun killing a boss for the first time, and we would see much less harassment DF and less elitism.
"Know the battle? what do you mean?" -
03-02-2014, 09:43 PMAtreidesWhat you're suggesting is to make the encounters so ridiculously easy that you can just get over it with randoms, it wouldn't hold progress player for a week...Quote:
Originally Posted by Renik
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03-02-2014, 09:50 PMRoyze
BG have as much right to post videos of their FC adventures as anyone else. Just because they are trailblazers and at the forefront of end game doesn't mean they should have to in any way censor themselves.
Many in the community enjoy watching them play and their strategies.
Frankly, OP, you claim it is easy to find 7 people who are willing to "go alone", by that I guess you mean entering a situation without any research/non-primary resources then it should be easy to find people who are willing to leeroy jenkins the shit out of content. (I kinda like to plan ahead with my limited game time and learn what I can from secondary sources, call me crazy)
Also, why did you single out BG? Just because they're the most well known non-JP LS? There are many others who post their strats.
For the record, I think it was several weeks after their wins that BG ever said anything about how to Coil, let alone twintania. -
03-02-2014, 09:53 PMMomitaQuote:
Originally Posted by Royze
How people read..... .____.
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03-02-2014, 09:54 PMRenikNo, that's not my suggestion, i have already posted my feedback in a place where it belongs, and i'm not gonna do it here, there you have my profile do a search if you want but don't answer here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atreides
also
Your post just made me realize about something, this community (and the new generation of gamers) is turning this game (and every other MMO) into real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbncd
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03-02-2014, 10:04 PMRoyzeYou didn't name any other FC's by name, just BG. That is singling them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Momita
Any responses here on this thread of either pro or anti the motion will be aimed at BG. Why didn't you just call the thread "for those hard core FC that blah blah..." if you didn't want to single them out?
"How people read" indeed... You need instruction in cognitive thought. -
03-02-2014, 10:15 PMDiadumenos
Took a couple pages and some googling to figure out who the hell Blue Garter was (first thought they were talking about some random dev or something)...
Anyway, love the enthusiasm OP! Well from what I gathered the first post to be anyway. Let the player discover... wonderful notion ^^ -
03-02-2014, 10:17 PMMomitaSorry if i didn't mention your fc then :/ Next time i'll make a full list of Hard-Core FC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Royze
I named BG because everyone know them and they killed t5 as World First.. so there is really others HC that make first kill?
Surely, i'm not mothertongue so it's really hard english for me... but of course here we have to point every grammar error because it's the argument of the topic :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Royze
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03-02-2014, 10:21 PMRoyzeExcept I made no comments about your grammar or lack of. Heck my forum grammar is just that, forum grammar. I was rebutting your patronizing tone and telling you to follow your standards of sarcastic criticism. you "go read" your own OP.Quote:
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03-03-2014, 02:34 AMSusanohDespite the OP not being a native English speaker, it was pretty clear to me that he was talking to all linkshells who can clear content first, including but not limited to BG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Royze
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03-03-2014, 02:37 AMTupsiAnd per usual people twist someone else's post to be something that it is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Royze
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03-06-2014, 04:43 AMJSevillaOriginal post clearly didn't single out BG at all, the player named BG and anyone else who clears content first (in the players words hardcore).Quote:
Originally Posted by Momita
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03-06-2014, 04:57 AMKoujiMoreno
Lol Royze, own'd.
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03-06-2014, 05:07 AMEmptyFibers
I just don't get it... Don't watch the videos, simple as that. I haven't watch a single one and have made it all the way up to Extreme Primals. So what is the point?
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03-06-2014, 06:07 AMJunpeiQuote:
Originally Posted by mbncd
Maybe I dont enjoy the story
Maybe I dont like the cutscenes
Maybe I love to race with people
Maybe I live for a new piece of loot
Maybe what I find fun and what you find fun aren't the same thing. Pull your head out of your ass and try to realise that there are people different from you that enjoy different things. -
03-06-2014, 07:27 AMBizniztymeYou can say that to all the bitching and whining all over these forums. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Junpei
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03-06-2014, 08:06 AMSwishytailWell, yes and no. I think it might be harder than we think to find 7 others willing to do the same and group up. I agree that watching videos isQuote:
Originally Posted by EmptyFibers
an option, and frankly I would be bored out of my mind and had quit already if I was required to watch videos before I even attempted fights in
this game.
I'm in the same boat, I've watched 0 videos. I personally don't think it's fun to know every placement, every mechanic, and every phase shift
before you even walk into the area. That nullifies a large part of the challenge factor. Obviously after you do it x amount of times you are going
to get it, but meh. Some people just don't like to learn on their own I guess.
To each his own. -
03-06-2014, 08:11 AMKuwagamiDepends on the person I guess..Quote:
Originally Posted by Swishytail
I had read a guide ack in days for T4 placement (I'm OT for this). I remember failing very hard to get wher eI had to be at which time and stuff...
I tried, tried, and tried again, and now it has become natural, even if I have absolutely no idea where each ennemy pop if you ask me in the pre-fight zone, my dance during the fight naturally brings me where I need to go when I need to be there. It's just as simple as that. No theory, no knowledge, just natural movements coming over time. -
03-06-2014, 08:12 AMArkghyom
So elitist, please quit the game!
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03-06-2014, 09:24 AMMurakumoMillennium
Watching a video and doing a fight are very different thing. It are prepare you of some amount but not all.
Do you also make for do first battle naked? Or are you prepare yourself with best gear possible for have highest chance of success?
When you go for vacation are you drive blindly until find destination? Or are you prepare yourself with GPS and map?
When you cook for are you just throw ingredient into pot and hope for best? Or are you prepare yourself by read direction on boss?
I are watch video or read guide or ask other player because I are use gear, use map, use direction on back of cooking box.