The only way to not punish those that want to grind endlessly on one job but reward the people that only log in a few times a week for a few hours, is to use WoW's model of rested xp. This has been said since fatigue first came into the light during closed beta 2, and went completely ignored by SE.
The current system in no way helps anyone, because as Kuro said, anyone that's motivated enough will still be able to push through surplus and level, and it's not going to matter in the long run anyway. There's nothing to do now, regardless if you barely play and take your time to 50, or you're already at cap, there's nothing when you get there except a few world nms and crafting. Yes, content is being worked on, that's not the point. The people playing now will either be 50 by the time the rest of the world (PS3 users) starts playing or they're going to quit the game long before then so the new people will be at an automatic disadvantage anyway from the start.
The system as it now needs to be replaced, it hasn't worked, and the only reason it's in place now anyway is to stop people from reaching level cap before content is added.
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03-09-2011, 12:29 PMSelamis
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03-09-2011, 12:38 PMSovereign
I don't think surplus makes any sense at all. If I want to play a whole bunch on one class, then why do I have to hit a ridiculous artificial cap? I also don't buy the argument that it helps casual players, or the idea that punishing hard-core players is anywhere near a reasonable solution.
If it were me, I would remove surplus and guardians favor. If I spend more time leveling, then I should progress faster than someone who doesn't. That's just how the genre works and should work, in my opinion. I think every casual player in every MMORPG ever created understands and accepts that they will simply progress slower if they play less. I guess I just don't understand the logic behind changing that idea, especially by punishing hard core players.
On one final point, I can hit fatigue on my CON and THM in about 2 days each (a couple levequests, and a few behests gets you there pretty darn fast...). I don't have the stats, gear, or desire to play a DoW, DoH, or DoL. The system pretty actively prevents players like me from having fun by making good progress everyday on what we want to do. All so some other theoretical player can try and keep up? =/ -
03-09-2011, 01:36 PMAbriaelI'm suggesting you try the tools you're given instead of just whining. Just having your stuff to repair in your bazar and walking around a city for a couple minutes will normally result in you finding the items back in your inventory fully repaired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurokikaze
And don't worry about wasting anyone's time. They're paid for the job.
If that happens it's not that the classes are not characterized enough. The problem is that the NMs (there are no HNMs in this game) aren't challenging enough and need to be rebalanced so that can easily bishot anyone that's not protected by heavy armor.Quote:
As for the second comment; you're clearly not aware that a THM solos some of the HNMs in this game...
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03-09-2011, 01:43 PMRaansuBull Shit. I always have to leave my game running over night to get my gear repaired. And quite often I wake up in the morning I find that my gear is still sitting in the bazaar waiting for repairs. The system is stupid, I shouldnt have to rely on some jackass to repair my gear that already degrades way to fast. And I should not have to deal with a repair NPC that charges way to much only to repair to 75%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
Just get rid of the stupid idea and be done with it. Weapon damage in any mmo is just DUMB. -
03-09-2011, 01:49 PMAbriaelMaybe you don't offer enough for it? Is what you offer doesn't even cover the cost of materials, you can bet people don't feel like working for charity. 4-7k normally works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raansu
Or maybe crafters are just sensing your seething negativity and whiny attitude in your aura and are steering well clear of you.
Personally, I can't remember the last time I finished putting all my items up for repair in which the first ones weren't already done by the first crafter that happened to notice my icon.
Who knows, maybe it's my charm.
because you say so?Quote:
Just get rid of the stupid idea and be done with it. Weapon damage in any mmo is just DUMB.
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03-09-2011, 02:00 PMSelamis
I'm amazed at the amount of White Knighting that goes on for this game across every single community site, and still am shocked how many people try to defend this system. For every person that claims it's ok or they've had a good experience with it, there's probably at least 50 other people that have just the opposite happen. If the player base as a majority doesn't like something, it should probably be changed to appeal to them instead of the minority.
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03-09-2011, 02:02 PMRaansuI have always offered at minimum 5k. I would always check the item needed to repair, and would add 1k to the amount of the items cost. I even offered 20k once, and my item sat there for hours. I don't feel like sitting around waiting for someone to repair my gear, and I definitely don't like leaving my game running over night in hopes someone would repair it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
Quit being a stubborn fanboy and wake up. Its an inconvenience to the players and it either needs to have some major changes or be completely removed. As of right now, its in the way. -
03-09-2011, 02:08 PMAbriael
I don't need to wake up. My direct experience and your attitide are clearly telling me that you're just spewing some bull to try and make a false point :D
If you can't get people to repair your items, then you're doing it wrong. If you're not doing it wrong, you simply lie because you can't stand your point being exposed as flawed.
The only "waking up" i need to do is understanding that giving attention to trolls is a bad idea.
In any case item repairing won't go away, no matter how you fume and foam at the mouth.
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03-09-2011, 02:23 PMRayle
See, the repair system doesn't need to be removed. Every MMO needs a currency sink like this to remove inflation. It just that in this case SE has added a step that is just annoying. Never, in ANY mmo, ever, should something so BASIC and required by EVERYONE and so OFTEN have you be REQUIRED to rely on ANOTHER PERSON. Just let us repair to full at an npc, remove the currency from the economy and let me get back to playing. This is just another example, like the surplus that SE added to creating a barrier to stop people from enjoying the game. SE is their own worst enemy when it comes to MMOs, I find. This is another example.
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03-09-2011, 02:31 PMRaansuOk oh wise fanboy, please explain what I am doing wrong then. Ive gone afk leaving my items up in the bazaar for repair in most of the major gathering areas. Ive had him stand in front of the repair npc, on the main steps in ul'dah, near the aetheryte, near the wards entrance, near popular local leve npc's in town, near crafting guilds, near the adv. guild. I'm not saying my stuff doesnt get repaired, but I do have to wait for way to long to get them repaired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
Simple fact is, when I go to town to repair my gear, I expect it to be simple and quick so I can get back to PLAYING the game. I dont want to go afk and hope someone comes by and repairs my stuff. I dont want to spend a ridiculous amount of gil to a npc to only repair it to 75%.
I'm not trolling. The way repairs are setup right now is a legitimate problem with the game, but yet stupid blind fanboys like you continue to defend such a broken setup. Why is beyond me, I guess you enjoy your games being broken. I for one would like to see this game improve instead of rolling over and just accepting broken as is. -
03-09-2011, 02:37 PMRayleI agree with you and never have understood the fanboy/white knight mentality. This is a serious problem with the game, like a lot of other things. To stand by this stuff is nonsensical. SE is going to fix this, I know they will because it is a majority problem and complaint. The fanboys are going to have a tough time when this game is good enough for PS3 release and it is completely different and made for the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raansu
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03-09-2011, 02:40 PMAbriaelI wouldn't know. All I know is that every single time I have something to repair I place it in my bazaar, normally for 5k, or 7k if it's my sword, in any decently crowded area of any city. The area of the repair NPC normally works. If I have a bunch of items it's extremely rare that i make it in time to put them all up that the first ones are already repaired. If I have just one or a couple, then I go grab a coffee and when I'm back they're done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raansu
So either I'm extremely lucky, and I have been costantly for months (statistically impossible),or I'm irresistibly charming, or you're doing something wrong.
Item damage and repairs are a staple of most major MMORPGs, hardly something unique in FFXIV.
I defend it because it's a great way to encourage collaboration between crafters and adventurers, because it's now nicely streamlined and works without hassle for all parties involved (the only way to streamline it more would change the generic icon with class specific icons), it's a viable money sink (and boy, this game needs more, not less money sinks), and it doesn't bother me one bit.
They already have. Item degradation now is very slow, unless you're wearing stuff way above your level (and then maybe you shouldn't?), and the repair-specific bazaar icon removed every hassle in finding viable repairers to anyone that actually tries it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayle
PS: don't assume you can speak for the majority just because a bunch of people in a forum whine. Forums are hardly any representation of any majority.
Sorry to burst a bubble, but no matter how much you scream, disagreeing with you doesn't necessarily mean being a "fanboy". -
03-09-2011, 02:54 PMkukurumei
Heck no. We voted on something like this and if we vote again, it'll still be heck no.
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03-09-2011, 02:58 PMRaansuCrafters create damn near every item in the game...I'd say thats more then enough collaboration between players. It wouldnt hurt to make repairing gear less annoying. Its a mundane step that prevents me from playing the game. Simply put, I should be able to go to the NPC, click "repair all" and they should be all repaired to 100% for a reasonable fee, and I can be on my way to playing it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
The way the system is now, players are at the mercy of the crafters, unless they want to shell out a ridiculous amount of gil for 75% repair. I think its like 80k or so to repair my weapon right now. Thats retarded.
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03-09-2011, 03:01 PMRayleOh noes, been called out on the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
No need to apologize about bursting my bubble because you didn't. I don't remember screaming about anything, either. Also, I don't remember saying just because people disagree with me they are fanboys. So, lol?
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03-09-2011, 03:19 PMAbriaelAnd I'm in complete shock that people would make such a big deal over such small things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raansu
By the way, the more content-related equipment is introduced (armor sets, quests rewards and so forth), the less crafter-made items will be needed. So yeah, ways to encourage collaboration are still in order and will become more and more so as the game progresses and new content is implemented.
You might want to reread your last post cobra :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rayle
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03-09-2011, 03:33 PMAion
- go to Repair NPC
- /sh (Can I have it?) (Repair) <insertDoH> Rank<insert min rank>++ (optional: (Reward):<insert gil>)
- go synth/chatting with LS/take a coffee break
- system message: your <item name> condition has improved by xx%
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03-09-2011, 03:50 PMtymora
Items should break if people let it drop to 0 durability, perhaps with some random chance of a piece remaining. Items don't really leave the economy at the moment...
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03-09-2011, 04:09 PMEdyn
I like that idea of things breaking at zero durability. It might help do away with the sheer amount of equipment that's brought into the game by the sea of crafters and in turn will make them more valuable and do a little something for the economy. On the other hand, grinding out in Coerthas, having no means to repair your equipment then losing it due to durability would suck quite a lot.
The attribute system is the only one I'd really miss if it were removed. Judging by the latest poll SE gave us, we may lose it to a system where attributes are already set for us and are dependant on the current class (correct me if I'm wrong). It might make classes unique to each other but those within the same class will essentially be the same barring skills acquired from other classes.
I like being able to create my own build and I suspect I'm not alone. I'm able to change my build depending on the circumstances. In some cases as a DoM I may need to take a supporting role so Vit and Mnd will be the primary attributes. In another situation I may need to change to an offensive role and will change attributes accordingly. There may have also been talk about making each class more unique but even after that each class can still be customised further with attribute points and I don't want to see that lost.
Speaking of class uniqueness, for the love of god can DoM please be adjusted so they're actually useful for something other than supporting? There is no such thing as a magic damage dealer. I mean, sure you could be one, but you're vastly overshadowed by the damage most DoW classes can produce. Given all DoM spells use MP and require casting time, compared to DoW they are severely underpowered. Not to mention the uselessness of Int. -
03-09-2011, 04:16 PMMoth
I hope they keep surplus. I think they just don't want us leveling up so quickly as to rush through the game. :c I agree fatigue can be annoying but I enjoy stopping to smell the flowers and do something different from time to time, the fatigue reminds me to do this. ・ｗ・
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03-09-2011, 04:38 PMSwev
I never liked the repair thing. I rather it just rot off your body and you had to buy a new one after like a week or so. Unless it was a rare item that no one can make such as maybe a class item or legendery item of some sort. I just never liked the idea of items degrading period. how many final fantasy games do you know of that you had to repair your gear?