PS3 Controller Hotbar problems

This change seems to be a serious problem. Good thing I've done EX primals for the week but in my Coil group running later today, it might be a problem since we have 2 controllers users.

Greetings,

Below are a couple of comments from Hiroshi Minagawa about the issue being experienced where there is a delay when trying to switch between hotbars with the gamepad.

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi_Minagawa

We are currently investigating this as a bug.

No changed were made to the R1 button feature, but it’s possible that it was affected in some way from other change. Due to this we will be looking into the implementation history and searching for the change that is causing this.

I understand this is a really severe issue and I will make an announcement with further details as soon as possible.

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi_Minagawa

We’ve determined the cause of this issue and I would like to give you a breakdown of the situation.

• The Change Causing this Issue
  
  
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  Directly after executing an action set to the directional buttons on the cross hotbar, if you release the hold on the L2 and R2 buttons and are still pressing the directional buttons, it acts as an anchor. Please fix this.

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  In order to address the above, we added a process that would disable button input for a set frame right after releasing the L2 and R2 buttons. The L1 and R1 buttons were also included in this, which is creating a delay when switching due to the disable input period.
  
  
• Method to Fix the Issue
  We’ll be reverting the above change back to the 2.15 functionality.
  This is the quickly method to address this issue.
  
  
• Hotfix Schedule
  I’ll be confirming with the programmers and the QA team for when the fix can take place.

I apologize for the inconvenience, and once we’ve decided on the Hotfix schedule I will be sure to make an announcement.

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It's really annoying but at least they've found the cause and are working on a fix, hope they get it ready for the PS4 beta if they want to leave as good of an impression as they can on players no matter how new characters are or how small some people think this issue is.

glad the identified the problem, i just rage quit because of it. game is virtually unplayable for people used to the old settings

Honestly, while I have noticed that I can't switch hotbars while holding R2, I did notice a new behavior that I felt was pretty neat. With R2 held L1 and R1 switch targets. Probably 'working as intended' but it's news to me.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Honestly, while I have noticed that I can't switch hotbars while holding R2, I did notice a new behavior that I felt was pretty neat. With R2 held L1 and R1 switch targets. Probably 'working as intended' but it's news to me.

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That's been there since launch but I don't think it's explained anywhere so a lot of people don't know it's there even to this day, it's really convenient because it's basically tab targeting for gamepads, I didn't discover it until about two or so weeks after launch IIRC. The only inconvenient thing about it is it keeps auto attack on when switching targets, so say if you're Bard and you're already auto attacking Garuda and tab to attack plumes and it happens to tab through a Spiny it will auto attack it, so you gotta be careful and use L1 + UP/DOWN to scroll through the enemy list instead in those cases.

Try this as either a temporary fix or you may just decide you like it better anyway.

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LT + RT (hold LT first, then hold RT) This brings up the Left side of Xbar 3 (or whichever xbar you choose)

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps9dff2b6d.png

RT + LT (hold RT first, then hold LT)This brings up the Right side of Xbar 3 (or whichever xbar you choose)

I like this setup for all my Classes/Jobs but is especially convenient for Smn/Sch since tapping the RB brings up the Pet Hotbar anyway.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/%...pse5bc537f.png


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Originally Posted by Davorok

Try this as either a temporary fix or you may just decide you like it better anyway.

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Except I already use that function as you have already posted it. I need my Fast Swapping for Marking as a TANK (Xbar 1 and 2 used for all job skills and class abilities, and Xbar 4 is my 'Marking Bar'). I can normally leave it on Xbar 1 and R2+L2=Xbar2R2, L2+R2=Xbar2L2. They Speed swap from 1 to 4 to mark, and then back from 4 to 1 was very useful to me, and cannot be fixed with the Hotbar thing you recommend as I already use it practically.

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Originally Posted by Davorok

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/m...pse5bc537f.png

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just curious. i played around with this feature to try to work-around the current problem but cannot seem to get something right about it.

does the hotbar that pops up when you hit L2->R2 (or the reverse) need to be in you rotation or can it be hidden until we hit L2/R2 combination?

i currently have 2 hotbars that i use on every job but i was thinking with this feature i could have a 3rd without having to tab through 3 every time.

I'm just going to wait for this hotfix, if it's been acknowledged as a severe issue, shouldn't be long.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

Below are a couple of comments from Hiroshi Minagawa about the issue being experienced where there is a delay when trying to switch between hotbars with the gamepad.

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Thank you for the response. We shall await the fix eagerly ^^

Please fix this soon because the game is currently unplayable for anyone that uses a gamepad.

Yeah, seriously.
Tanks and Healers especially get screwed when they can't switch to other hotbars fast enough to access time critical skills.

Game is broken now for gamepad players.

Good. Glad they're on top of it already. Was a bit of a problem for me while healing coil, but nothing too major.

However, when I switched to DRG it was extremely noticeable and crippling. Needs to be fixed ASAP.

I was having the having the same problem apparently while your doing skills/casting spells you cant swap between bars anymore im not sure if they did it deliberately or if its just a problem from new patch they didn't notice. i doubt they would decide 8 months after the game started to just change up everybody's controls but it was very frustrating i literally had to turn the game off cuz i just was watching my hotbar and clicking 6-7x to swap between them instead of paying attention to fights which is completely ridiculous .

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Originally Posted by Davorok

L2+R2 Bar Setting

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I've been using that since the feature came out in 2.1. Its extremely helpful for classes that need multiple bars quick (DRG and WAR are the two I use it on the most)

Was tanking Ifrit EX tonight as a WAR (got my bracelets too :D ), and had no issues at all. R2+L2 to get to my Path/Eye combos and some CDs, R1 or L1 to target something else.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...psc5ce016e.png

I'm having the same issue as well, on a skill where there is a longer animation my hotbars wont switch and i personally switch my hotbars quite a bit. Please fix this asap SE :)

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Originally Posted by UMiahNaweh

Please fix this soon because the game is currently unplayable for anyone that uses a gamepad.

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I'm able to play just fine with my ps3 gamepad so this isn't affecting all people.

I logged in tried to run a primal and logged back out... This is game breaking for end game content. Please fix soon

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Originally Posted by Krokov

I'm able to play just fine with my ps3 gamepad so this isn't affecting all people.

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Either you only use one hotbar, or you don't notice it because you are slow. It is affecting most people and it IS gamebreaking.

Never said it wasn't gamebreaking. I don't consider myself "slow" or what not and I use 2 hotbars actually.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

I'm able to play just fine with my ps3 gamepad so this isn't affecting all people.

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Technically, this is correct. Some people don't notice it until you have them try very specific things.

But it IS something that is universally happening with all gamepads. Whether the individual is "effected" is a matter of them noticing.

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Originally Posted by nugglets

Technically, this is correct. Some people don't notice it until you have them try very specific things.

But it IS something that is universally happening with all gamepads. Whether the individual is "affected" is a matter of them noticing.

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Indeed that's true.

It only affects people who fly between crossbars like myself. I'm a warrior tank and I've basically maximized my set up (3 crossbars, one for items/signs/pulls, one for tank/defensive cd and one for dps/offensive cd) allowing me to reach any skill regardless of where its placed in under 2 sec.

Normally, I'd use a skill or action then quickly swap to my next action in a separate crossbar and I would be waiting 1.5 - 2 seconds at the next skill or action but since the patch I've had to wait and sometimes not even make it all to my next said action on a separate crossbar. Very problematic but luckily it is a bug and will be fixed, hopefully before PS4 beta goes live on Feb 22.

Very game breaking for a SCH that flies between bars for DoTs and healing.

I couldn't even play WHM, which I was forced to try because I couldn't SCH properly lol. The party list scrolling function seems to be a little sticky and unresponsive as well. Trying to remove my target on people simply wasn't working during some points.

Gonna have to wait for that fix, sad to say.. Crafting time or something that doesn't involve precision play.

I only see this hurting smns and maybe schs though I haven't experienced this bug myself(or I haven't noticed it). for every other job you should only need 2 crossbars in which case using the option to hold both triggers to access a different set is all you need. if you really want to switch sets you can tap r1 at 3 o-clock in terms of the GCD timer. don't use pet hot bars btw just put pet commands along with your spells on the same crossbar. be sure to enable auto hotbar switching when drawing/sheathing weapons and to check the boxes accordingly. I may have missed something but be sure to exhaust all options before you deem the game unplayable. I also recommend looking up a youtuber named "epic reset gaming" he has crossbar guides that are slightly outdated but extremely helpful.

I play mnk,drg,pld, and war without trouble (and no macros!) with 2 sets and I've never had to actually switch sets since R2+L2/ L2+R2 was added to the game. all of my main attacks are on set 1 (along with anything I tend to forget about like awareness heh) and buffs, jumps, markers, anything defiance related on set 2 which are all easily accessible when holding both triggers.

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Originally Posted by joshsecret

just curious. i played around with this feature to try to work-around the current problem but cannot seem to get something right about it.

does the hotbar that pops up when you hit L2->R2 (or the reverse) need to be in you rotation or can it be hidden until we hit L2/R2 combination?

i currently have 2 hotbars that i use on every job but i was thinking with this feature i could have a 3rd without having to tab through 3 every time.

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You can set any Xbar from 1-8 in the Config Window, but you divide it in to "Left" & "Right" for instance, I use Xbar 3 and set the Left Side to L2+R2 and the Right Side to R2+L2.

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Originally Posted by Davorok

You can set any Xbar from 1-8 in the Config Window, but you divide it in to "Left" & "Right" for instance, I use Xbar 3 and set the Left Side to L2+R2 and the Right Side to R2+L2.

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thank you for the reply :)

but in practice i cannot seem to make it work to where you only can toggle between 2 crossbars & have 1 set for the l1/r1 combo...

what i mean is i use 2 crossbars.... i do not do well when i have to use 3 crossbars.
so i would like to use 2 crossbars with whatever skills AND have a different crossbar that i can put random/unused actions that i can then access IF i use the l1/r1 combo.

is there a way to do this?

because the only way i have seen is to have your 2 crossbars... then place skills/actions in a 3rd... then set l1/r1 to register the 3rd, however when you switch between current crossbars, you still 'tab' through all 3.

I wonder if they'll do maintenance later today or will they push kt till next week.

i'm not sure if anyone else is encountering this problem, but my ps3 problem goes much broader than this.

since the implementation of patch 2.16 i am quite literally unable to even intentionally buffer my commands. this goes beyond simply switching hotbars.

if i use the R/L2+R/L1 cycling method, so long as the next button i press [we'll call this button "Q" which may represent any of the potential cross hotbar buttons] is imput within (what appears to be) a window of about 5-7 frames of when i released the last button, the game defaults to one of 3 options:

1) simply does not recognize the imput of Q at all
- this occurrence becomes far more prevalent if the most recently released button was L1/2 and i then attempt to use a skill on the cross hotbar related to R2

2) will recognize Q as the intended imput, but will function independently of any sort of on-screen indicator (i.e. i may hold R1 in an attempt to bring up my cross-hotbar "catalogue" and pressing the intended button may even bring me to that customized hotbar, however, there will be no indicating sound, and no change in any on-screen graphics to confirm that the game has received my imput)

3) interprets Q as the simultaneous imput of Q+the most recently released R/L button.
^this.one.is.crippling.


the end result of all this: as of this patch, i am consistently dropping my GL3 stacks in t5 as a MNK and it will happen before we even begin DPSing Twintania


>>>>> unrelated to the blatantly obvious problem we have with hotbar "cooperation,"
~ repairing equipment now necessitates having to wait for everything to load correctly within your on-screen field of vision. this is extremely problematic for me as a ps3 user of this game. as, despite having exited the mender/merchant's window, i will be struck and frozen in place until everything on screen loads.
~ dismounting certain mounts will leave you frozen, in air, until the loading process of processing everything on screen is done, similar to the repairing-freeze.

please, please do something about this.

Still no word on when this fix is coming? At least give me a time frame? As someone who plays daily I'm hoping this doesn't take too long.

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Originally Posted by UMiahNaweh

Either you only use one hotbar, or you don't notice it because you are slow. It is affecting most people and it IS gamebreaking.

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Or he have a macro in some of his crosshotbar slots that switch to another cross-hotbar without problems.
I did it while leveling Arcanist. And do it with other classes as well because I find it easier and faster.

i've kind of gotten used to it but it still sucks. i have to be very deliberate and fast with my action use as soon as i hit the trigger and then instantly let go. Doing it like this, i've been able to still switch hotbars and get an off gcd ability done and switch hotbar again to be ready for another action when gcd is just becoming ready again.

but yes please fix it soon. it actually seems harder to play my drg than pld like this.

Same problem for me yesterday, I´m WAR on Titan X, so I switch a lot between tanking stance and DPS stance (turning on or off Defiance) and this bug was causing me a lot of troubles :mad:.

I usually have my tanking skills on onw crossbar and the DPS skills in other, so was a nightmare.

Definitely gave us quite a bit of trouble in turn 4 last night. I adapted but my healers and other tank didn't so it's annoying nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by joshsecret

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I'm struggling to understand what you mean but I'll explain what I've done and hope it answers the question that I think you're asking.

Seems like you have actions on 3 crossbars, which I do too, but maybe only combat actions on 2 of them. What I've done to get around this bug is to set the L2->R2 AND R2->L2 combos to show the right side of my 2nd crossbar. That gives me access to 1 1/2 cross bars (totalling 24 actions) without using the buggy switch button. That's all the actions I need in combat. So now I have very easy access to all my combat actions without needing to switch with a buggy R1 button.

If you need 32 actions, or 2 full cross bars, just program L2->R2 to the other side of your 2nd crossbar from R2->L2.

Outside of battle, tabbing between crossbars is not bugged, as far as I can tell, so any social/transport actions you have on your 3rd crossbar are accessible in the same way you're used to accessing them.

EDIT: Oh hold on, I think I see what you're asking. Do you mean, is it possible to register a crossbar to display with the L2+R2 combo that doesn't appear in the crossbars you tab through by clicking R1? The answer is yes. In Character Configuration (I think) you can select which cross bars are available in certain stances. So for example I disable my social cross bar when my weapon is drawn, which means if I tab through my cross bars with my weapon drawn, I will not see the social cross bar. I believe I would still be able to access that cross bar if I registered it to the R1+R2 combo.

So here's what you do. Set up a cross bar (any cross bar, let's say #5) as you want to see it when you use the R2+L2 combos. In your Character Configuration window (I think), disable that cross bar (#5) from both stances (weapon sheathed, weapon ready). I'm pretty sure you'll have access to it when you use the R2+L2 combo, but won't ever see it when tabbing through your cross bars.

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Originally Posted by Bizant

i heart u

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though i wish it was that simple. it seems every time i try to enable a bar to be able to set certain skills, that bar will remain static on my tabbing through the bars i normally use.

for the love of... fix this!!!!!

To limit tabbing through only 2 bars, you can go into Character Config - Hotbars - Cross (tab) and at the bottom of the list is 2 sets of hotbar checkboxes for "Set Selection"
http://i.imgur.com/YprIrbW.png

Using this setup, R1 will only cycle those bars you have selected (in this picture in particular, this means in and out of combat I only cycle 2 bars: 1 and 2)

Joshsecret, I think you can actually solve all your problems. See the post above this for instructions on how to disable certain cross bars.

And if you only need 2 crossbars in combat, you can actually set it up so that you don't need to tab through anything. In Haledire's screenshot above, the top section (Extended Hold Controls) is how you can bring up a second complete cross bar without ever needing to tab.

Of course, if you don't want to learn a new system and just want the old R1 tabbing to work, you'll have to wait for the fix. I can totally understand that. I like the old way, and think they should hurry the hell up with the correction.