Force PS3 players to migrate over to PS4 and then drop support for it

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

I wish it was that simple, would solve a lot of issues and stuff holding back the game. They keep on saying it's not holding back the game but come on, there isn't enough memory to handle all the UI that PC can show and in order to solve that issue they have to take stuff away to get other UI's in, it's alright now but 5yrs down the line it's going to show up more and more for sure. Minagawa-san keeps on mentioning the memory situation with the PS3 so there is proof that there is PS3 issue. Now the PS4 is much more flexible since it has much more memory than 256MB so devs got more room space to work with.

However, I believe there is some type of contract between SCE and SE that the game needs to be released on the PS3 and that's why they had and promised to do it.
So... basically we're stuck with this, until that contract or w/e agreement is finished.

Note: Not saying the PS3 can't do all the things, it probably can but in order to do that you have to free up that much memory to get the other stuff in. It's not an easy task, and also probably one of the reasons why it requires extensive Q/A to make sure it works on both platform.

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The problem is your baseline. You have to support the most number of people, this always inevitably means supporting older hardware. The thing that is holding back development and will continue to hold it back, is that a large percentage of players will always be out of date. SE can't change this. If they don't try and find a good baseline, in this case PS3 and low end PC, they lose a large percentage of customers. And they can't afford to take that risk. This isn't about contracts, but about customer base.

I think that in about 5 years they could realistically drop support for the PS3 and (current) low end PC's. Maybe even 2 years, but you have to be careful.

This is the same reason why people do multi-console platforms, and why there are games that are on both PS3 and PS4 at launch. If they only did PS4 there would be the risk that they wouldn't get enough early sales to cover development.

So PS3 and low end PC both are a hindrance to the game being better than it is now. But that is the compromise made to make sure there are enough players to justify game development. And once you get that customer base, you cannot simply drop support for them either. You have to maintain some level of support for years.

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Originally Posted by Macka

You really going to use a fight no one seen yet as an example lol and a 25 seconds video that only shows one tank and Leviathan jumping in and out of water doesn't count.

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He's probably talking about Leviathan being an underwater fight or something for whatever reason, even though almost every time we've met Leviathan in FF games it's in a ship, coastline or on land in a temple somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Someone hasn't played FFXI in a bit. They dropped support for the PS2 a long time ago, only Japan has support and that's till they decide if they want to make a PS3 version of it or not, but PS2 is no longer supported in any region outside of Japan.

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Just because you can't play it doesn't mean it's not supported :P don't need to be in Japan to import

EDIT: BTW PS2 music was so much better than the PC version trust me listen to them both BIG difference

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Originally Posted by hallena

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You have way too much free time. Now on the subject of ps3 performance; I use a PS3 slim, no SSD, and on a wireless connection. I commonly outperform PC players and the only issue I have ever had is my character animations don't keep up with my commands, which is a non-issue when in keeping track of my rotation.

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You have way too much free time.

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Not as much as i would like

PS3 and PC suck. I play this on my google glass and I out perform everyone and bla bla bla bla..

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Originally Posted by Lecreuset

PS3 and PC suck. I play this on my google glass and I out perform everyone and bla bla bla bla..

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needs PS4 version so I can vita remote to it from work so much easier to hide a vita than an iPad on me and then I can do more than just craft/chat =(

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Originally Posted by Lecreuset

PS3 and PC suck. I play this on my google glass and I out perform everyone and bla bla bla bla..

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google glass is for scrubs
get on my level- im playing on my R2 unit using its built in hologram projector.

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Originally Posted by Lecreuset

PS3 and PC suck. I play this on my google glass and I out perform everyone and bla bla bla bla..

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Ah so you're probably one of those people I saw running into walls swinging their arms and trying to jump when there is nothing and shouting google ride chocobo! in the middle of crosswalk...
You're too high tech for me... :p

Oh as for what's play on
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Ps3 works fine I have no complaints and I play it on a much bigger screen that the OP (94 inch projector screen or 300 inch whitewall)

The loading times were fine after I swapped in an SSD I play on pc too but really so much more relaxing playing nice and comfy on a couch.

Once the ps4 version is out I will probably buy it so I can do vita remote but really I have no issues with the ps3 version.

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Originally Posted by Ed_N_Ants

FF XI flopped because it was pc only... Thats why they remade it and put it on the ps3... Face it not everyone who plays video games plays on a pc, I prefer playing on my ps3 or ps4 It's easier for me to enjoy myself in game...

If you want PC only then go back to XI

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My brain hurts after reading this.... o_O

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Originally Posted by Yurimi

needs PS4 version so I can vita remote to it from work so much easier to hide a vita than an iPad on me and then I can do more than just craft/chat =(

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Finally I may have a reason to get a vita...

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Originally Posted by Ed_N_Ants

FF XI flopped because it was pc only... Thats why they remade it and put it on the ps3... Face it not everyone who plays video games plays on a pc, I prefer playing on my ps3 or ps4 It's easier for me to enjoy myself in game...

If you want PC only then go back to XI

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Umm FFXI is on the Xbox 360, PS2, and PC and if you was referring to FFXIV it flopped because they release an unfinished game with alot of problems and it was always meant to be on PS3 but flopped on PC and never released for PS3.

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Originally Posted by Ed_N_Ants

Finally I may have a reason to get a vita...

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I have a few fun vita games but mostly all are imports I am however sitting here eagerly with my PS4 and vita waiting to get remote vita play going for the game >=D

Next up, drop ps4 support and pc support that cant run the game at 4k,max settings,60+fps consistantly.

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Originally Posted by Macka

Umm FFXI is on the Xbox 360, PS2, and PC and if you was referring to FFXIV it flopped because they release an unfinished game with alot of problems and it was always meant to be on PS3 but flopped on PC and never released for PS3.

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No one plays on those systems anymore... It's strictly a PC game and it lost too many subscribers... Thats why it flopped...

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Originally Posted by Ed_N_Ants

No one plays on those systems anymore... It's strictly a PC game and it lost too many subscribers... Thats why it flopped...

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I play it on PS2 still <.< screenshot proof of such on post #43 =P

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Originally Posted by Ed_N_Ants

No one plays on those systems anymore... It's strictly a PC game and it lost too many subscribers... Thats why it flopped...

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There are more JP PS2 players than every other system combined. Source? Go check the SE poll they did in POL.

edit: PS2 also counts the PS2 copies being played on PS3. Because there is no PS3 version.

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Originally Posted by Ed_N_Ants

Finally I may have a reason to get a vita...

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Toukiden, shinovi versus , Muramasa... And so much more if this is your reason then you have missed out sorely

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

There is no frame rate issues on ps3... none... zero... zip.

You are a liar or an idiot...

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Is there a "All the Above" option? :3

I wonder how many of the 13 likes in the OP are from PS3 players.

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Originally Posted by Mega_Man_U

I wonder how many of the 13 likes in the OP are from PS3 players.

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None. The ps3 browsers are still loading.

I play on the PS3 and completely disagree. The Graphics and Frame rate for me have never been an issue. I've only ever lagged once while playing with my younger brother, leveling his Paladin while we were in the middle of a freak snow storm. I say freak because where I live, snow is a very rare occurrence and it snowed two days in a row for us. We were doing Fate hunts near Nine Ives, the only fate we both lagged on was the one with the diseased trents. Other than that, graphics wise, FF14 is doing way better than Skyrim.

I do already own a PS4, and will migrate to PS4 when its out cause I want to play my PS4 more than just playing Warframe and watching Netflix~

>OP demands SE cut support for PS3 users solely because they had a bad experience with it
>Expects everyone buy a super expensive new system to accommodate their demand

Logic at its finest

They'll probably be able to drop support for PS3 around the time PS5 comes out.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

>OP demands SE cut support for PS3 users solely because they had a bad experience with it
>Expects everyone buy a super expensive new system to accommodate their demand

Logic at its finest

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also dont allow any lower PC specs than MAX either lol , but who would fill the servers and pay subscriptions then ?

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

They'll probably be able to drop support for PS3 around the time PS5 comes out.

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I'll probably moved on to Final Fantasy XVII by then.

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Originally Posted by omniwaink

I logged onto the PS3 version a week ago. It is an absolute disaster. The frame rate stuttered between 10 and 15 in a completely unpopulated zone (Camp Tranquil). The textures were muddy and washed out, enemy and character models would pop in and out at random ranges, and on a 54 inch TV the interface looked like someone vomited on the screen.

It's 2014, and this is not acceptable.

One of two things needs to happen with this game going forward - either the PS3 players need to have their own servers and dumbed down interface/graphics/versions of content, or SE needs to force them to migrate over to the PS4 and pull the plug on PS3 support once the next expansion hits.

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Yes, because nothing insures a games success like forcing a large section of their paying customers to do something they cannot, or do not wish to do, just to accommodate the small hardcore section of their population.

That said I agree that it is shameful on the PS3 and I am moving on to my PS4 when I can. But you can't force people man.

This Thread... just...

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The people that are in denial are PS3 users that never played the PC version. I've have both and the PS3 version is nearly unplayable after you've played the PC version imo.

OP is over the top, but I hope they do phase it out so the restrictions can be lifted. Bear in mind things like they couldn't handle Focus Target until they turned off a UI element whilst it is in use. I reckon 2016 would be a good target, anyone who doesn't get a PS4 2 years after launch will never upgrade unless their console explodes and they couldn't afford to put by £3 a week.

I'm curious as to why people use projectors and 50 inch screens and stuff for the PS3 version (And why they can afford a shiny TV but not a half decent PC). I'd hate that even at 1080 on my PC.

I made sure to get a smaller though high quality (23inch) 1080 screen because pixel pitch is important to me. o-o

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Originally Posted by Raeletta

I'm curious as to why people use projectors and 50 inch screens and stuff for the PS3 version (And why they can afford a shiny TV but not a half decent PC). I'd hate that even at 1080 on my PC.

I made sure to get a smaller though high quality (23inch) 1080 screen because pixel pitch is important to me. o-o

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Half my friends who are playing this on the PS3 are also Mac users, so they're jumping to PC gaming pretty much never.

That's their loss.

It's my loss however if I can no longer play with them so continued PS3 support, please.

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Originally Posted by MorbidAngel

The people that are in denial are PS3 users that never played the PC version. I've have both and the PS3 version is nearly unplayable after you've played the PC version imo.

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Or people who can't afford a high end PC or a PS4?

Not every country is the US. Not everyone can just say "yeah, I'm gonna upgrade my hardware right now."

Only if the PS4 does really well in Japan and globally too but mostly over there, considering every PS3 version owner gets a free PS4 upgrade it shouldn't be a problem, even then it probably won't happen until at least a good 3 years after launch. People keep saying XI still has PS2 support but this game has shown a completely different direction and people love distancing themselves from XI so it's not that unlikely to happen.

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Originally Posted by Mega_Man_U

Or people who can't afford a high end PC or a PS4?

Not every country is the US. Not everyone can just say "yeah, I'm gonna upgrade my hardware right now."

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You don't need a high end PC to run this game well since my PC is far from high end, but the graphical/frame rate/load time difference is highly noticeable. To say the difference is negligible is a lie.

The people auto assume everyone is running ARR in gaming pcs like a gtx780 with a Intel i7 Cpu.

The japanase players Hate with passion play on PC.

Most NA/EUR Average users are playing on Laptops/Notebooks with integrated graphic cards and Ps3.

If we suddenly CUT the service for ps3 users and Low end game machines. The game will be lossing 70% the our players base.

Even if im playing in a High end Pc and im pissed with the Console/Low end pcs limitations, i understand the Pc "enthusiasts" are not "Enough" for keep this game alive.

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Originally Posted by MorbidAngel

You don't need a high end PC to run this game well since my PC is far from high end, but the graphical/frame rate/load time difference is highly noticeable. To say the difference is negligible is a lie.

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I promise you most decent rigs cost more than a PS3 these days. PS3 version is far from unplayable and if they phase out the PS3 the game won't magically change because they're still going to develop with the lowest common demoninator in mind - Which isn't the PS3, unless someone can make a list of every game on the PS3 that:

1. Lacks collision detection between characters (PC/NPC)
2. Lacks physics in certain regards.
3. All have low res textures when zoomed in.
4. Separates upper/lower body movement that can glitch out quite easily.

Remember: FFXI actually has collision detection and it's a 2001 PS2 game, so a lot of stuff are design choices and not necessarily due to "limitations".

I think they'll drop PS3 support eventually, but definitely not for at least another expansion pack or two.

The game definitely runs like ass on PS3 and it's undeniably holding back the game design in some ways, but they're not gonna cut support until PS4 has achieved much higher market penetration. Wouldn't expect it for at least 4 years at the minimum, most likely longer.

while it doesn't exactly take a high end computer to run this(I spent $500 on mine and everything is on high, and my video card is 6 years old), but what reason do they have for dropping ps3 support? if people wanna play with crappy frame rate then let them.

I've had none of these issues that you speak of on my ps3. Only longer loading times and slower rendering. It hasn't kept me from raiding or anything. OP is silly.