To all of you complaining about content nerfs, I got an important question for you:

Not to mention" The people who actually do this when the raids first come out, spend weeks or even months learning how to beat these bosses. They do not EVER beat them on the first day, unless the fight is extremely weak and easy. You really think it's okay to make sure that no one gets through a fight they already know how to beat, just because you want to trial and error your way through? These people die over and over before they are able to even understand what a certain debuff does to you, much less that it was even the debuff that killed them in the first place. Or that you had to pick up one add at a specific time and drop in off on some platform and kill 3 other adds at the exact same time. Good luck figuring things like that out on your own. You r statement proves that you've never actually done what you are preaching.

Actually yes, Yes I did beat the content without looking at videos on youtube. I can 100% state this as indisputable fact, since I was in the video for the T5 clear and part of the coil world first team.

And yes I am pissed that coil is getting nerfed, the weekly lockout removal should be enough. People can farm it to their hearts content and get proficiency much faster than was possible before (short of wiping at 1% over and over so you can practice?)

S-E, y u nerf fights.

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Originally Posted by Calvnor

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To summarize find a group of friends or like minded people so you can avoid the rude ahole pariahs that fester in this game and stay in your group and you may have a more enjoyable experience.

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Originally Posted by Junpei

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I just get a kick outta people that concern themselves with being upset about thing getting nerfed or it becoming easier for other to gear up or whatever. I used to be like that in another mmo I played I played it since beta then up to launch similar to this game. My friends and I would brag about how hard it was to get the best raid armor in the game taking months then later as the game grew new players could get the same armor that we had grinded months for in a manner of a week or two granted at the time we had moved on to the higher in gear so it was a moot point at that point. But looking back on it how others geared up or played the game in the grand scheme of it all really never really effected what we did or how we experienced the content no one likes the bitter old man back in my day is was harder person pouting in the corner.

Love me some FFXIV ARR. I have enjoyed this first six months but know I will not do another sub of the same duration, and haven't decided if I'll even do a month-by-month based on current issues and other competitive titles debuting by summer. Its my first game in the FF franchise, so I do not have the experience of FFXI - though def sounds like I'd have loved most of it.

People repeatedly say things on this forum like 'using the wikia or video guides doesn't really dumb down the game, after all players still have to know their individual classes/jobs - have reaction times, coordinate with others etc - 'you are being lazy if you don't know the guide well already for the dungeon you are joining'.

I would submit that one of the sub-categories of players, which I stand firmly in, are those who in former games were actually able to for the most part avoid using what used to be loosely referred to as cheating-guides. I'm not speaking of the the cutting-edge players - those who were able to choose to put in the time and effort involved in world-firsts. There were also those who just enjoyed jumping in with a limited amount of play time and partaking of a somewhat slow leveling experience because the most fun for them was the social aspect of their guilds etc.

Then there were players like me, who were not in the elite guilds, but for whom A CHALLENGE (*not a job, but exciting, hard content) was the EXACT goal. Those of us in that category were a large percentage in other games, not a fraction of the subscriptions. And yes, of course that is based on my anecdotal personal experience both inside awesome guilds and playing without a defined guild but rather just groups made from friends in-game, from more than 7 MMO's.

When we went into content for at least the first six months of a game and in many cases a good deal longer, we may have had one or two folks in the group who could give tips and or help but the majority of the dungeon or run would/could be figured out as we went. That didn't mean 26 wipes. It did mean a few wipes, communicated by typed chat, but we still got to joke around about the virtual world we were playing in (not local weather, doing the laundry afk's or recent football scores), have fun with the coordination of the fights, then the icing: getting to complete a dungeon 'known' as difficult with good loot largely ON OUR OWN.

Was it completely 100% on our own? No, not if we had a couple of people who might have a few tips included in the run. But it was fresh to us. And then we as a guild or group of friends who run together would make plans for what content we wanted to face the next few play day periods together. It is almost impossible to do this now. The peer pressure/ass-hol-itis that emerges if you even admit to this being your first run is crazy, let alone mentioning you haven't used pneumonics to memorize all strat phases.

Maybe we could to advertise in Party Finder for like-minded individuals to try some things sans any video guides, or with limited internetz help. Maybe I will - it would be like promo-ing a Party Finder group for all Scholars or All Archers to go through some specific content.

I like choice. I like that different playstyles have choices in most mmo's. I get that publishers cannot appease everyone. That does not negate the fact that just because you-Tube video's are available that I am REQUIRED to have memorized them before first getting the chance to enjoy the challenge of what is new content for me.

****Here's hoping the idea catches on and we can get our money's worth out of a game all the way to cap without having to dance to the rusher's rhythm. And when I say rushers, I am not talking about the world-first groups who should garner our respect, I am talking about mid-listers. I'm talking about those who won't play content as its offered but are in a rush to get to end game to play with their friends or alone - assuming the posture of 'knowing their class' when in fact there are quite a few end game peeps running about who have the title of Level 50 blah blah blah, but really seriously are not Mr. or Mrs. Everything.

My rose-colored glasses are firmly in their case. I'm a realist. I had the most fabulous times in older mmo's and am sorry there are so many players that completely missed that experience. I also love a lot of things about new releases; as technology moves forward it can not get anything but more exciting. The 'satisfying' part of the definition will have to continue to be made by players making their own content within each game though. That is done by finding like-minded individuals to play with instead of being dissolved into the bleating mass of excluding, pseudo-endgame-pretenders who attempt to make everyone else join the bleating club. I AM a semi-special snowflake, my money is on par with all other subscribers and its very good to know there are others seeking the same experience.

To me the game doesn't teach me how to tank AT ALL.

Even at lvl 50 I'm reading and re-reading skill descriptions trying to memorize them. This shouldn't be happening.
When you learn a new skill there should be quests unlocked that have specifically designed content that requires the use of that skill so we could learn by doing as we go. The closest the game comes to these are the class quests but they're nowhere near specific enough to work as any kind of a tutorial.

And yes to be an effective tank you're pretty much on your own on what to do. This game has tremendous amounts of handholding but when it comes to the most basic instructions for battle ARR drops the ball completely.

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

Did you got your relic weapon, beat CT and beat all Coil turns without ever consulting a website or youtube?

Did you learn all mechanics through your own analysis based on what you saw on your screen inside the game?

Back in the days, using outside sources such as the website gamefaqs to beat single player games or find out "secrets" was analogous to cheating.

Wikis and other websites "DUMB DOWN" current content by already handing you the answers to which the first groups were forced to learn on their own. If you are against SquareEnix dumbing down the old content, you better not be a hypocrite by dumbing down the content by using websites to get information you didn't manage to find out on your own through the game itself.

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This is a total lie. In FFXI everyone would look online about content before even trying it lmao.

People keep saying I go in blind and clear hard content but what they are actually saying is "I went in blind and put the burden of being taught how to do the fight on someone else in the party (they told you what to expect) instead of watching the video and putting the burden on myself". If someone else told you the fight even if you haven't watched a video YOU ARE NOT DOING THE FIGHT BLIND. There is no difference between someone else explaining the fight to you compared to watching a youtube video and you are just deluding yourself if you think there is.

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Originally Posted by Calvnor

Do you play football without learning the plays with your team? Do soldiers go onto the battlefield to execute a mission without a briefing and every single soldier knowing the entire plan? The answer is no. This idea is ONLY acceptable when playing solo, NOT when others are relying on you to do your part. If you go into a very complicated and challenging endgame raid with other people and you didn't study the tactics of the battle, you are going to do nothing but hinder the other players' experience. Team games are not about your selfish needs to feel more accomplished, they're about working togeth /snip

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Because in football and war, your opposition does the same predictable mechanics every time. You are mixing up practices/preparing for possible oppositions with being told exactly what will happen. Not even near the same thing. I'd rather not play with robots behind a keyboard.

So so many terrible analogies in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Richiealvian

Things I've cleared: Everything
Things I've consulted youtube to beat: Turn 4 and Twintania. You don't see me complaining..
You'd think I lied for beating all the EX and T1/2 without consulting any guide, but I'd rather go in blind and enjoy my fun and let other people get the spoilers. Actually, i did lie. I did read a LITTLE bit on T2.

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Originally Posted by Lumiin

Haven't done coil yet. But everything else I've done so far I never watched or read anything. The game is too easy, just dodge.

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Try doing that as a tank and watch the hate flow

Welcome to the era of no challenge in videogames where it's actually needed. What's that a boss fight with a mob that poisons you and it hurts and you could actually die from it? Oh no it's too hard never mind that past quests gave you 10 antidotes, better make that poison only tick for 1 HP and also spawn a friendly NPC to cure bomb you every time you lose 1 HP. Oh what's that too, a fight without a ranged attack against packs of enemies you have to carefully pull and that helps you learn that you can't take on everything as a melee? No no that's too hard, better add an NPC that lorewise makes no sense at all he's helping you and make him pull everything for you. Oh and you expect me to go through a dungeon with multiple paths and rooms where I can actually get lost and the enemies inside hit hard? Please I have 20 jobs and at least 10 kids yes this is my bad strawman excuse, just give me a straight path and mobs that melt with two buttons.

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

Try doing that as a tank and watch the hate flow

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Lool I am a tank!

Only kids uses videos
I learn like i did in XI fail fail fail ti i get it right

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Originally Posted by Haruka-Akemi

Only kids uses videos
I learn like i did in XI fail fail fail ti i get it right

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As it should be. Sadly, thine opinion shalt be forever silenced by the Azerothians of Le Baptiste Ensidia. AKA those endgame whoring, loot loving scoundrels who care nothing for your sake other than whether you can help get them their shiny piece of Allagan in 24 hours or less (exaggerated, but hey, it's not that far from the truth).

The same people raging over content being nerfed are most likely the sames ones that expected everyone to be a expert and one shot crystal tower two days after it was released.