Question and concerns about the vanity sytem..

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I really don't think those reindeer and snowman outfits were made for roleplayers. >_> Or... any of the undyeable outfits, really.

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And who were they made for ? Not a mocking question, I really want to know. Who was it made for ? ^^

I mean... fighting Titan EX in a reindeer costume is funny .. sure.. but intended purpose for that costume ? Hahaha

I'd much more see them as "casual" wear and RP wear. Hey, costume parties are a "thing" right ? Right ?!

Anyway, I've stated my stance on this and I am not inflexible about it, but I could live with the rules I laid out just fine.

We'll see how it pans out.

The fact that everyone is running around in the exact same sets of armor and the exact same relic weapons, that according to the story, are so rare that only one blacksmith in Eorzea seems to know how to restore them, doesn't break your immersion? Calling bs on this one

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Originally Posted by DefendPopPunk

The fact that everyone is running around in the exact same sets of armor and the exact same relic weapons, that according to the story, are so rare that only one blacksmith in Eorzea seems to know how to restore them, doesn't break your immersion? Calling bs on this one

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There is a lore blurb out there calling the current Dark Light "fake" because of the sheer quantity available.. you'd have to search around to find it.. :D

the sad part is that NPCs in the game already have a better vanity system than us. like Yda ans Papalymo who are a blm and mnk wearing heavy armor.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

the sad part is that NPCs in the game already have a better vanity system than us. like Yda ans Papalymo who are a blm and mnk wearing heavy armor.

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Don't forget all the NPCs who can apparently dye gear that is undyeable for us lowly PCs (INCLUDING AF).

People can do a dungeon dressed as a snowman now if they really wanted to, at least this way they'll be properly equipped while doing so.

/shout Need tank for extreme primal farming. Be geared, know fights, no snowmen please. PST

While I agree to a certain extent I still think the option should be there for people who want to goof it up a bit. If you are that serious about not being in that type of group just establish a group of serious players you know agree with your views for immersion. Just my 2 bits...

exactly....play with people who are ho-hum like you and let us play the game how we want. you don't represent the majority simply because you have an opinion. there are those who want it to be serious, and there are those of us that like to have fun goofing off. lets not add a feature to the game that so many people have been asking for because it pisses you off. this whole game was made just for you. there are bikinis and snowman heads in the game. deal with it! seriously. do you not have any imagination?

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Originally Posted by Edellis

This really isn't an issue of "ruin for everyone else". It's pretty obvious that Square has gone out of its way in FFXIV to preserve the story integrity of the environment, which is why something like vanity slots dont exist in the first place.

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Because having a giant doll and some midget from ANOTHER GAME riding around Shroud due to "accidental inter-dimensional travel" is preserving the story integrity and environment?
Because having a female character from ANOTHER GAME appear in this world due to some arbitrary reasoning "Some God wants me to fight here" fits right in?
Everyone and their mom has the super rare one of a kind artifact armor and relic
Please stop. I'm tired of you lore immersion nuts, immersion went down the toilet with 2.0, stop trying to pretend it exists

AND STOP TRYING TO LIMIT MY CREATIVE FREEDOM! IT'S A VANITY SYSTEM, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO WEAR WHATEVER I WANT!

inb4 vanity disabled in instances.
SE should just add e vanity toggle together with the system, so if you don't wanna see it you will not.

Can we have a GM give us a response on this?
I would really like to see their stance on it.
If anyone has any info, can you add it.

Personally i like the idea of the vanity system, i dont mind people running around in bikinis. My first run through copperbell was with a naked guy with a pumpkin head i found it hilarious.
Though i can see why people wouldn't want it even after a while it could get old so i guess having a button that lets you choose weather you see peoples vanity gear or not would be the way to go in appeasing both sides.

I'm not a programmer so I could just be talkin out of my bum here but I would assume a toggle button would be too much of a load on the servers having to constantly queue(right word) up 2 sets of gear for everyone in an area. I think the only plausible way would be to create non vanity servers for people that are all pent up on not seeing stuff like that and I highly doubt that is something SE would do.

That being said I am personally looking forward to it. I can empathize somewhat as I occasionally get in a mood where I don't want to raid with goofy looking setups. When those moments happen just have to group up with people that share those concepts.

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Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho

SE should just add e vanity toggle together with the system, so if you don't wanna see it you will not.

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I agree. That would also solve the issues of people using the vanity system to hide their PvP gear (though PvP gear is stupid, but that's a discussion for some other time). It also means that the 'purists' who cannot suffer White Mages using chainmail or whatever don't have to see other people's trampling over FF's "traditions". No need to disable vanity during instances, either, since that would defeat the purpose of a vanity system. Just put a toggle in the options if you want or not to see other people's equipped vanity gear.

The last thing I have to say is about dyes:
http://i.imgur.com/yqxrMUP.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ildur

The last thing I have to say is about dyes:
http://i.imgur.com/yqxrMUP.jpg

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PVP sets. Dyable reskins. Isn't this one of them?

It's not so much about immersion breaking, as it is about breaking the artistic identity of the game. FF games all have a distinct aesthetic style to them that the whole game follows, and as a result the games have a unique look and identity that is instantly recognizable. You can look at ANY character from FFX, and know that their clothing style is from Spira. Same thing with nearly every FF, and it was one of my favorite things about XI's armor and clothing designs. Despite being very different amongst each other, the armor sets in XI all followed a similar design philosophy and they all looked like they belonged in that world. While every character was not a special snowflake donut steel, at least they all looked like they were residents of Vana.

Right now XIV is painfully short on such a design philosophy and letting everyone run around in completely out of context and unrelated costumes will only hurt its identity further.

In a way this is a result of the game design (and society in general) shifting toward a more individualistic mindset where everyone has to be unique and special and be able to do everything by themselves. Whereas older games like XI had everyone look similar because the game was focused on being in a group, and the group looked appropriate together. You were part of something larger than yourself, rather than being the center of your own little world away from every other player.

As far as the vanity system goes, I would prefer they simply design better standard armors and revamp the dye system to allow us to mix and create an outfit which still fits the atmosphere and identity of the world of Eorzea. Don't break the identity of the game and the world and turn it into every other fanservice-based paperdoll MMO. It's already suffering from being generic as it is, the least you could allow SE is to keep its artistic dignity. If you didn't want to play a character who looks like they come from Eorzea, why did you play a game set in Eorzea?

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Originally Posted by LioJen

As far as the vanity system goes, I would prefer they simply [B]design better standard armors and revamp the dye system

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Ditto, I'd much rather they make everything dyable...what's the point of having vanity system while almost nothing is dyable? You create a much bigger diversity with dyes, since armor styles themselves aren't many.

A wardrobe system does not equate to "fanservice-based paperdoll MMO". Don't be silly.

Oh no! How terrible! Our players are THREATENING our MAGNIFICENT and HOLY artistic vision! Woe is us! We cannot suffer the players to express their individuality in our game! Everyone must ABIDE and OBEY our artistic vision! 'cause it's holy and stuff!

Honestly, speaking of threats to the "artistic dignity/identity" is something that talentless hacks use when their work or a work they like is criticized and they don't know how to defend it. But I'd like to point out that a vanity system will in no way harm the artistic integrity of the game at all. It's just allowing your players to use the assets you give them (clothes) in new combinations. The artist is still who gets the last word on what models and textures to create the game. The only difference is that the player has the ultimate word on what his character will wear. And if you don't like his combination of clothes? First: the Artist made it, so it's still artistically coherent and consistent with the rest of the game, even if you don't like that particular combination. Second, you can ask Squee to add a toggle so that vanity gear doesn't show up for you. That way you can live in your silly bubble where the Artist's vision is not corrupted by anyone else's vision.

Also: Tlamila, yes. Some people pointed out it's a PvP gear. However, I'd like to point out it is ALSO the "unique" mage clothes from the Sastasha/Copperbell/Tam-tara dungeons. Except the version there is undyeable.

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Originally Posted by Ildur

Also: Tlamila, yes. Some people pointed out it's a PvP gear. However, I'd like to point out it is ALSO the "unique" mage clothes from the Sastasha/Copperbell/Tam-tara dungeons. Except the version there is undyeable.

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I know it is, that's why I said reskin. Same with Foestrikers etc. Though I admit giving so much more fashion alternative for pvp is kinda stupid...pvpers usually are into stats, not fashion <.<

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

the sad part is that NPCs in the game already have a better vanity system than us. like Yda ans Papalymo who are a blm and mnk wearing heavy armor.

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because they have still their dated gear from 1.0

Before optimal class and level on gears got changed to required class and level in 1.0, every class could wear every type of gear at every level. To be on the optimal class at the optimal level was only important to get all the stats on the gear.