LS Message /LSmes set from FF11 that shows when logging in. 　(translated w/answer)

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Originally Posted by Cutriss

I need to wear a helmet every time I read your posts.

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agree.
you stand too close to the monkey cages you'll get a face full of ish... and kilta has great aim... I'm sure we have all gotten a nerve hit with the 3000+ post of the crap this sad sad dude has tossed. =/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg2Ae...eature=related

Not having this would be pretty inconvenient for PS3 players. It wonders me how it can be so hard to adapt it to linkshells since they technically already have it in server notices (welcome messages, maintenance schedules etc.).

My theory is that they built the lodestone linkshell pages, and are worried they would become obsolete. If that is the real reason i would respect SE more if they responded "look we dumped a lot of resources into the ls pages for you guys, and currently our resources are tied up in improving core mechanics". Agree with above poster, the ability to show in-game dynamic messages are already in place.....

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Originally Posted by Adol

I am trying to suggest using something which is perfectly fine to use.
I am 100% sure SE would be fine with you using it to play FFXIV with.

It doesn't matter how many times anyone says it's against the ToS, I have mentioned Steam on many threads on this forum in the past and I have received no warnings about it.

Please stop saying applications such as Steam are against the game's ToS, it's getting really old now. It's especially aggrivating when I'm trying to help people out.

Also saying "oh but SE shouldn't force me to find workarounds" is very childish. Why say "no" to simple, easy and legitimate solutions? Why is it so difficult to DEAL WITH IT while SE sort things out on their end in the meantime?

I seriously don't understand the mentality of a few people on this forum.
Maybe I'm just being trolled. Please say you're trolling me so I can be relieved of the feeling that some people are mindless enough to say that using Steam is something which could potentially get you banned.

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I'm not trying to undermine you. I'm just saying that despite the lack of enforcement, you should still atleast mention to people you help that it is a POTENTIAL risk. Like most people said, SE would have to be crazy to ban such minor offenses, but you never know.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

The reason why everything is so hard to implement or change is because Tanaka, in his infinite wisdom, developed the game's content and features alongside the game's engine, instead of using a finished engine or simply not starting development until Crystal Tools was done. You're looking at Square Enix's Duke Nukem Forever here.

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Aye. Unfortunately that is what I was referring to originally. I don't think that the programmers are incompetent, I think that the core coding of the game (not necessarily the game's mechanics) is severely inflexible to the point where implementing simple changes makes things unnecessarily difficult. It's important to have tools that make the game more malleable on the fly (from a programming perspective) when making an MMO (something that is made to constantly change, hence the justification for the monthly fee). It is to that degree that I find them incompetent. Whoever originally coded the game in that fashion.

It's a bit unfair of me to have such a position as I'm not a programmer, nor am I a game designer, but as a consumer I feel it's akin to going to a mechanic and them saying they can completely re-haul my engine, customize my body, install an in dash touch screen computer, and convert it into a hybrid, but they can't inflate my tires "that's very hard to do".

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Originally Posted by Shikyo

agree.
you stand too close to the monkey cages you'll get a face full of ish... and kilta has great aim... I'm sure we have all gotten a nerve hit with the 3000+ post of the crap this sad sad dude has tossed. =/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg2Ae...eature=related

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An apt metaphor. With a youtube link to boot. Thank you sir.

Yes please lsmes

Kilta is hoping to amass 6000 posts grow into a rank 75 mob and one shot threads single handedly with her ignorance.

Not sure since it was a while ago already but didn't some guys in FFXI get banned for just using windower before the SE's windower release? I know windower was used for running bots also but some guys in FFXI got banned for just simply using windower to browse internet while playing game.

SE can't implement this because they are too busy coding Target mode "d"

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

WoW you guys are idiots.

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I love how you throw out insults like these, then you get upset when people have issues with you. You start mass reporting their posts and calling the community bad, when you bring it on yourself.

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Originally Posted by Rau

I'm not trying to undermine you. I'm just saying that despite the lack of enforcement, you should still atleast mention to people you help that it is a POTENTIAL risk. Like most people said, SE would have to be crazy to ban such minor offenses, but you never know.

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Aye, I can see where you're coming from. Unfortunately when I posted that last night I wasn't 100% well and in a right frame of mind. Sorry about that.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Not sure since it was a while ago already but didn't some guys in FFXI get banned for just using windower before the SE's windower release? I know windower was used for running bots also but some guys in FFXI got banned for just simply using windower to browse internet while playing game.

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The line was that you'd only get banned if you went around parading about it. I used it from the Cliff days and I never had any disciplinary action. Like so many other people claiming they got banned for "nothing", most likely windower users who got banned were caught doing *something* and would just never own up to it. (Chicken's not vegan?)

I used the other windower (and APRadar and Mappy) for years. I never bought gil, I never botted, I never poshacked, I never made fun of Hiroshima in /shout, therefore I never got banned.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Not sure since it was a while ago already but didn't some guys in FFXI get banned for just using windower before the SE's windower release? I know windower was used for running bots also but some guys in FFXI got banned for just simply using windower to browse internet while playing game.

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People get banned not for windower, because all it does is window the game, but for using the FFXI App and plugins along side it. Which is funny since the excuse they gave was "just want to window the game". This is why they say its cheating, because the plugins and apps are in essence, cheats. The only thing that isn't a cheat would be the Tparty plugin, as it was data originally sent to the client SE had displayed but disabled it because it crowded the party window.

It'd be nice if they improved on the /lsmes command and gave linkshells an ls board or something that you access from the ls menu. In my head it would just be a noticeboard type thing that stores like 10 or so notices at a time. I know this isn't the priority at the moment but if something is absent we could maybe at least use it as an excuse to ask for something better - if people think this would be better of course.

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Originally Posted by Wevlum

It'd be nice if they improved on the /lsmes command and gave linkshells an ls board or something that you access from the ls menu. In my head it would just be a noticeboard type thing that stores like 10 or so notices at a time. I know this isn't the priority at the moment but if something is absent we could maybe at least use it as an excuse to ask for something better - if people think this would be better of course.

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I'm sure all the lodestone stuff is in database like MySQL and stuff, all they need to do is make something like you say with LS board which brings all the contents from the linkshell into the game through XML or w/e Linkshell Forum > RSS/XML output > Game translates it back into it's own + add posting back feature... I don't see why it's so damn hard... Would do the same damn thing for FFXI topics so everyone who don't check Lodestone every time can see it... they should add this topics stuff into the damn login program... that part is dumb as hell also...

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Originally Posted by Cutriss

The line was that you'd only get banned if you went around parading about it.

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Exactly. The nice thing about client-side modifications is, SE can't detect them directly, only indirectly in case the mod does something obviously illegal (like botting) But in that case the ban is well deserved.

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Originally Posted by Wevlum

It'd be nice if they improved on the /lsmes command and gave linkshells an ls board or something that you access from the ls menu. In my head it would just be a noticeboard type thing that stores like 10 or so notices at a time.

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This might be close to what I was thinking.

I can give some credence to the idea that having 8 LS messages scroll your chat when you sign in would be too much. At the same time, with the players asking for /ls1, /ls2 functionality, "just have the active shell's message pop up" is a shortsighted solution.

However, I keep envisioning the LS menu showing an LS message right below each shell's name, or it could be tied into a notice board like Wevlum is suggesting. There seems no obvious reason that can't be done. It would allow everyone to see the /lsmes is a manageable format, and won't require using a browser (for our full-screen and PS3 players--if/when they arrive).

Ok SE, I know you said you have lots of other things planned for "fixing" the game at the moment, but what technology age are you living in that you have to keep mentioning it's 'hard' to implement something based on how you slapped it there in the first place?

So what can FFXIV linkshells do currently? Anywhere chat, who's on, who are the leaders, and in general if you're within the same area as another linkshell member or not.

What do FFXI's linkshells do? Everything mentioned above PLUS; the actual area the player is in, current job levels if they decided to display, a more simplified list to showing who is online, and the linkshell message. The only thing a FFXIV shell shows that a FFXI shell doesn't is the total number of people with a said shell pearl.

We are talking about a game that's supposed to be an improvement over your previous MMO, and you can't even get some of the same basic features in it?

Oh, and the thing about the Lodestone having linkshell features that SE said to use instead...I didn't know something like that actually existed on the site until I saw a server post a few days ago.

/rant

First, I appreciate the translations... thank you.

Second, tell the dev teams to stop with the "please be patient" crap.

Do they even have a clue what being patient means?

How about an honest explanation on what the hell happened to this mess that was released a year ago?
I'm sorry for the anger, but seriously..... stop with the "please be patient" stuff, it's making me ill.

How about somebody increases the budget for the game so that 1.) the customer who has BEEN PATIENT FOR A YEAR NOW (does anyone there understand the scope of a whole year?) can finally get his/her moneys worth from this game. 2.)SE can finally charge for the game and recoup some of it's money (even though I don't believe they deserve to) 3.) maybe even someday make a profit.

So stop with the excuses and get more people and get busy.

Yea? Drive on!

Dude, stop necro-posting. You've brought up 2-3 dead topics already for no reason at all.