Tanking Titan HM

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Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre

My question is this, in regards to a few of the posts above: Should I or should I not attempt to find that 'sweet spot' between the bombs and tank Titan there, or go the safer route and just hold him north and eat 1 bomb (I do use my CDs to alleviate MB and such -- it was only eating those 2 bombs at the start that got me smushed). Thanks!

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When I was getting my relic for my pld with my FC, I was having this problem too and we'd wipe cause I would eat either both bombs or I'd eat one bomb and then an immediate MB (healers usually caught with pants down dodging stuff). I can dodge every other bomb formation no problem so I would just pop Hallowed Ground for the circular bombs and forget about trying to find the sweet spot.

The sweet spot is pretty easy to find. You have all the time in the world while Titan is having a heart attack to line yourself up - basically, you just make sure your foot is right to the side of the orange piece and go as far back as you can without falling off. Bare in mind that the sweet spot does require you to eat a bomb in one of the patterns, so the trickiest part is figuring out which bomb you're going to be eating (iirc it's the circular one, but I just do it by feel now so I wouldn't know :P). Other than that, you just stand there and let the bombs explode around you, popping a cooldown for every MB, and watching your DPS go to work (or die, or both!)

Hey, I use that orange rock too as a landmark. For the circular formation, I'd move a little bit to the right to avoid it as well.
But again, I'd rather just move from the 3 lines formation. I'm just more comfortable with this... Just a personal preference.

Just stand between 2 bombs as far out on the edge as you can. You can stand out farther than you think. Had FC members come over and laugh after one fight because I was literally standing off the edge in mid air. Moved back a few pixels and fell. :P You will have to move a little bit to position for circle bombs versus line bombs. Plenty of room on X bombs, so no worry there. I also use defensive cooldowns during the first 3 phases to help out the healer(s). They're back up again by the time mountain busters start.

Depending on what Job I'm tanking on (I main Warrior and have Paladin to 50 with full DL and Relic for Coil), I have different ways of doing it. On both Jobs I've stuggled to find that sweetspot and often ended up eating two bombs at once, on both the Row Bombs and Circle Bombs phases, so now I just tank him to the north of the Platform directly behind where he spawns, and this way you only eat one Bomb during each Row or Circle, and completely avoid X-Bombs.

When on Warrior, and the Bombs spawn, I pop Inner Beast right before it's about to explode, and if there's a Mountain Buster incoming shortly afterwards, I pop Infuriate > Inner Beast to mitigate the Mountain Buster as well. If Infuriate is on Cooldown and I don't have enough Wrath for Inner Beast, I pop Vengeance, and if all of the above are not available, I pop Thrill of Battle. And if all else fails, Holmgang.

When on my Paladin, I save all of my cooldowns for the final stage, except Rampart and Fight or Flight which I pop when available. The most useful skill that I have found for Titan HM is cross-classing Stoneskin from Conjourer. While helping FC members through Titan HM, we take a geared Scholar, who solo-heals the fight, and I solo Tank, and Stoneskin is an absolute god-send. By the end I'm using it every chance that I get while Titan isn't pumelling me into the ground (just make sure to watch the enmity bars!). I usually try and get a Stoneskin off before having to eat a Bomb and for each Mountain Buster, as well as popping Sentinel or even Hallowed Ground to give the Healer a chance to recover.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Bare in mind that the sweet spot does require you to eat a bomb in one of the patterns

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You will avoid that pattern as well if you stand in the correct spot.

for Post-heart, circle bomb, I just eat a bomb. it not worth falling off the edge or end up eating 2 bomb. Just save Sentinal or rampart for the bomb, time it right it should last thru MB as well.

The biggest thing you can do to beat titan hm is control your group composition. Titan hm is easy for tanks. I recommend making a partyfinder with much higher gear requirement, say i73+. Put a group together with 1 tank, (massively better than 2 tank comps).

For the bomb stage, dont' bother at the end trying to stand on one pixel. Just eat one bomb. for PLD pop hallowed ground (which carries you though Mountain buster as well). The rest is up to your group.

sweet spot :D
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Originally Posted by blowfin

You sound like a scrub.

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Says the guy who needs to outgear content by 20 item levels to win.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

It's pretty far from absurd, it's actually:
- THE BEST SETUP
- A waste taking two tanks intentionally (i.e. outside of DF) unless they need the clear.
- Faster DPS (duh)

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No, really? You're gaming the system to make it easier, and you still need to outgear the over-loving piss out of it to win. Congratulations, you're an utter failure who cannot complete the fight as designed. You're too bad to complete anything without massively overgearing it. No Twintania for you, ever, can't overgear enough.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

If that DRG wanted to come to Titan HM, he should have enough intelligence to ask the party leader to drop the iLvl to fit him in. It's not hard to send a tell to the party leader.

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What do you expect ilvl73 to be? You say someone sets a limit of 73, but 72 is OK because what, they geared in i70 gear?

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Says the guy who needs to outgear content by 20 item levels to win.

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I don't need to do anything of the sort, but i'm not opening up a Party Finder group to people 15 levels below me. Sorry but that's inviting failure in more ways than one, and it's not the purpose of PF. That's what DF is for, if I wanted to help people like that I'd go to DF. I wanted to clear Titan in the most efficient way possible and you're telling me I'm a bad player? That my friend, is the definition of a scrub. Everyone should play the game the way you see fit.

For the record I helped an FC member clear Titan HM a couple of days ago (in the DF, with two tanks), so you can take any dimwitted theories you have about "overgearing" and "gaming the system" and put them in your pipe for a hearty smoke.

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You're gaming the system to make it easier

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It's called strategy. Are you suggesting that we all have to battle Titan at the minimum required level with 2 tanks to clear it "legitimately"? Because that's what it sounds like.

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What the hell do you expect ilvl73 to be? You say someone sets a limit of 73, but 72 is OK because what, they geared in i70 gear?

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No I'm saying any person with a semblance of intelligence would ask the party leader if it was OK to join if they were a level or two below the requirement. I've lowered the cap to fit people in several times, all it takes is a polite /tell.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

I don't need to do anything of the sort

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Clearly you do, or you wouldn't be hammering out an unnecessary requirement. Do you set up Ifrit HM requirements of ilvl80 because you're geared in ilvl80? No, you don't.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Sorry but that's inviting failure in more ways than one, and it's not the purpose of PF.

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Right, the purpose of the PF is so you can find people to carry you. Oh, wait, it isn't. The purpose of the PF is to promote server community and offer a party builder for content that has no DF, like Hydra and BC.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

I wanted to clear Titan in the most efficient way possible and you're telling me I'm a bad player? That my friend, is the definition of a scrub.

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Pretty sure asking a bunch of overgeared players to carry you is a clear indication that you're a bad player.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

It's called strategy.

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You might as well say bringing two PLD in 2.0 was a "strategy", because you were totally losing something by not taking a WAR. No, you're taking a non-standard party because it's better due to a glaring design oversight. There's no strategy involved, unless you consider picking an ilvl90 over ilvl10 weapon to be a strategy.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

No I'm saying any person with a semblance of intelligence would ask the party leader if it was OK to join if they were a level or two below the requirement. I've lowered the cap to fit people in several times, all it takes is a polite /tell.

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Oh, right, you put up an ilvl73 requirement totally knowing what it was and then let in everybody below it because you realized that your requirement is absolutely idiotic. Or maybe you just didn't think the slightest about what ilvl73 even means. Certainly the latter.

Titan HM was the most annoing fight ever as a tank...

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Oh, right, you put up an ilvl73 requirement

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I never said anything about setting up a lvl 73 Titan HM.

When I cleared it I set it near my level, I think it was around 70 at the time. My WAR dinged into i66 when I hit 50. Are you implying I set the level requirement above my own level? Not the case sorry.

As I said, the party filled quickly, we got the job done. I assume a lot of people were working on Relics for their Alt jobs just like me. Not asking anyone to carry my ass. Try again.

Just want to say thanks again for all the replies. I actually beat Titan awhile ago, but continue to read this thread to pick up additional tips to help me as I help tank this for my LS mates. We usually never use the party finder, and never the DF, to make our 'real' try Titan groups. For our practice runs, DF is fine but we prefer PF. I don't like dictating ilvl for the fight so I don't use PF, and it is so much easier to just get 8 people from our LS or various FCs who know the fight. We never carry anyone, in the sense that we take people there to practice until they learn the fight, and then go with a FC/LS group for the real deal.

Thanks again for the tips. Since I've upgraded to Holy Shield Zenith I'm sitting at around 6k HP, so I usually just eat that one bomb...I know, I should move but was traumatized during my learning phase by the 2 bombs to the face...

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I don't like dictating ilvl for the fight so I don't use PF, and it is so much easier to just get 8 people from our LS or various FCs who know the fight. We never carry anyone, in the sense that we take people there to practice until they learn the fight, and then go with a FC/LS group for the real deal.

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A lot of people don't have that luxury of still-healthy FC's and LS's. In the last month our FC has lost around 90% of it's members to other games, cancelled subs, and other FC's. It's very, very difficult to find decent groups for end game content for me at the moment. This week, I've been stuck at T4 since Tuesday night, and I've had about one successful Garuda EX run out of 10. Being able to set up a group in PF, with an iLvl set so i'm not going to get people working on their first relic, is a good mechanism to remove the stress that comes with groups that constantly fail. If anything, being able to run a fight like that when I want to keeps me subscribed. Because without that mechanism, progression is that much more difficult, bordering on being an exercise in utter futility.

Hi, I agree until after the heart is dead, the tank does not have much to do except avoid blunders such as falling off the edge or forgetting to put shield oath (PLD) after a wipe or at the start.
After the heart is dead, there is responsibility, since even if the group is good enough the tank can cause or avoid a wipe.
Somebody already said it: Flash before every mountain buster, you can dodge 2, 3 or more during the fight and it makes difference. (This only works for PLD though, flash does not have blind effect in WAR.)
If the fight is long enough to kill Titan, it is very likely you will find you spent all your cooldowns and a mountain buster is coming. So it is best to save them as much as possible. If you are full HP you can most probably eat a bomb and survive a moutain buster, better than have a mountain buster followed by stomps with no cooldown (the one after the gaol rock.)
Have the highest HP you can and eat some food like La Noscea toast, Knights bread of Finger Sandwich you will probably have from your quests.

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Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre

For our practice runs, DF is fine but we prefer PF. I don't like dictating ilvl for the fight so I don't use PF, and it is so much easier to just get 8 people from our LS or various FCs who know the fight. We never carry anyone, in the sense that we take people there to practice until they learn the fight, and then go with a FC/LS group for the real deal.

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I suppose when you go to party finder to just practice you say it, so that people who would like to obtain the relic don't join that group. :-)