Broken Hearted

Well, written, OP.

I brought my LS from FFXI here. I built us a new website. I was pumped and devoured every bit of news I could get my hands on. This was going to be it, SE's magnum opus, the only MMO I'd ever call home again. And then...

Well, I don't think I've ever been as heartbroken over a game before.

People like to say that those of us who beta tested should have known. Honestly, I think we were all waiting for the 'miracle patch' that would come between the end of beta and release. This was Square Enix. This was Final Fantasy. It just wasn't possible that it wouldn't be good.

I think the only thing that shocked and disappointed me more than the first timed I logged into CB was the first time I logged in after it went live.

And now, a little levity. I think this sums up how we feel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHEhKo5Ils

That's entirely my point. They just had a flat reduction in exp to make people get to mid and high levels faster. But those first levels are still boring as hell and definitely not going to charm any new people into sticking with the game.

They COULD have made a few more low level quests, some mini-dungeons, some exploration quests, etc. But if they add those in now, who cares? How many people are going to go do them? 10% of the population? 20%? A very generous 40%? How many people WON'T be pissed that they added in lowbie content, when practically everyone has a job at 40+?

Low level content is just as important as mid and high level content, but there's no way in hell SE is going to put effort into low level content right now. They just made 1-20 a breeze as a band-aid fix.

lmfao Thanks for the laughs Rowyne

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Originally Posted by Archadius

lmfao Thanks for the laughs Rowyne

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No problem. I think we all need it. :)

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Low level content is just as important as mid and high level content, but there's no way in hell SE is going to put effort into low level content right now. They just made 1-20 a breeze as a band-aid fix.

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One of those "sad but true" statements. I thought I heard something that the next major patch was going to have low rank content though... First biggie was endgame, then next one was mid rank, and now low rank. But it could just have been a rumour that stuck in my head for whatever reason, unfortunately I can't provide any tangible source.

I think SE is trying to make this game too many things for too many types of players. Let really be honest here...FF is not for everyone. It is about the grind and it is about feeling accomplished. I think when SE tried to take some of WoW's members they dropped the ball. I think they were onto something at the start with the local leves as a way to break up the "grind" but now you have leve parties and there is no real out in the world grind happening. There is now Valkurm Dunes type parties. You know the specific area zones to grind and LEARN your job.

Making this game easier I think is having the wrong effect on many player types. In essence you now have a bunch of 50 lvl noobs running around all dressed up with no where to go. I have stated this before and I will state it again. SE right now the players you are listening to are going to leave you as soon as they have to pay. I mean why pay for a game when you have most of your jobs at 50 with the best gear you can get in the game at this point.

SE my hope is that you will bring back the grind and the zone grind parties. I think people are missing that as much as they are missing the story. I know many MANY LS are missing zone grinds. It might be a thought to get guardian aspect at anytime from a crystal that last for x-amount of hours. This I think would pull people away from leve grinding and D4D at BW for the 1 billionth time and start making players adventure. This way you could give the casual player an option for the limited time and those will much more play time other options to get just as much SP without doing the same leve quest again and again. At this point the lack of story and diversity is killing this game.

P.S. For the love of god please lower the SP there are way to many players with multiply 50 jobs running around without a clue of how to play that job. This I think might piss some off, but for others it will actually make them better players to have the extra time to learn instead of going from 1-50 in 3.5 weeks. This is just silly and should not happen.

Agree with the OP.

Grumpy with myself more than anything for caring so much. Why should I care, it's just a bloody game!

I do though, I'm gutted. Feel like I found out my new girlfriend is actually a man. Not sure I'd put up with that for 6 months though,

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Originally Posted by Allanon

SE my hope is that you will bring back the grind and the zone grind parties. I think people are missing that as much as they are missing the story.

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NO.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

At this point the lack of story and diversity is killing this game.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by kurokawa

Agree with the OP.

Grumpy with myself more than anything for caring so much. Why should I care, it's just a bloody game!

I do though, I'm gutted. Feel like I found out my new girlfriend is actually a man. Not sure I'd put up with that for 6 months though,

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lol interesting analogy.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

I think SE is trying to make this game too many things for too many types of players. Let really be honest here...FF is not for everyone. It is about the grind and it is about feeling accomplished. I think when SE tried to take some of WoW's members they dropped the ball. I think they were onto something at the start with the local leves as a way to break up the "grind" but now you have leve parties and there is no real out in the world grind happening. There is now Valkurm Dunes type parties. You know the specific area zones to grind and LEARN your job.

Making this game easier I think is having the wrong effect on many player types. In essence you now have a bunch of 50 lvl noobs running around all dressed up with no where to go. I have stated this before and I will state it again. SE right now the players you are listening to are going to leave you as soon as they have to pay. I mean why pay for a game when you have most of your jobs at 50 with the best gear you can get in the game at this point.

SE my hope is that you will bring back the grind and the zone grind parties. I think people are missing that as much as they are missing the story. I know many MANY LS are missing zone grinds. It might be a thought to get guardian aspect at anytime from a crystal that last for x-amount of hours. This I think would pull people away from leve grinding and D4D at BW for the 1 billionth time and start making players adventure. This way you could give the casual player an option for the limited time and those will much more play time other options to get just as much SP without doing the same leve quest again and again. At this point the lack of story and diversity is killing this game.

P.S. For the love of god please lower the SP there are way to many players with multiply 50 jobs running around without a clue of how to play that job. This I think might piss some off, but for others it will actually make them better players to have the extra time to learn instead of going from 1-50 in 3.5 weeks. This is just silly and should not happen.

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It's not about the lack of grind or lack of "Final Fantasy" or whatever. It's that there's literally nothing fun to do in this game, grinding included. There are no dungeons, quests are mediocre at best, NMs are boring, and there's no point to doing anything. There is no reward other than seeing a bunch of numbers.

Where's the cool cutscenes? Cool zones? Interesting or difficult battles? Rare items? Hell, even FFXI's grinding, which I hated with a passion, was more involved and fun than FFXIV's.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

It's not about the lack of grind or lack of "Final Fantasy" or whatever. It's that there's literally nothing fun to do in this game, grinding included. There are no dungeons, quests are mediocre at best, NMs are boring, and there's no point to doing anything. There is no reward other than seeing a bunch of numbers.

Where's the cool cutscenes? Cool zones? Interesting or difficult battles? Rare items? Hell, even FFXI's grinding, which I hated with a passion, was more involved and fun than FFXIV's.

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<True Strike>, lol you guys remember that? :P

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

It's not about the lack of grind or lack of "Final Fantasy" or whatever. It's that there's literally nothing fun to do in this game, grinding included. There are no dungeons, quests are mediocre at best, NMs are boring, and there's no point to doing anything. There is no reward other than seeing a bunch of numbers.

Where's the cool cutscenes? Cool zones? Interesting or difficult battles? Rare items? Hell, even FFXI's grinding, which I hated with a passion, was more involved and fun than FFXIV's.

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Quoted for hella truth.

Not so die hard as it seems :P

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Originally Posted by Meleena

Not so die hard as it seems :P

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Well let's be honest here, "die hard" is not synonymous with "blindly follow" :P

OP, I feel your pain. I think the core issue is that the game has such bad coding, which means it literally takes forever for them to add and change stuff to the game. We are all appreciative of the time it takes to program games, however the fact remains that this is a MMO that has already been released. There are only two scenarios as to why it takes them so long to update it. One is the reason I already mentioned, and the other is that the development team working on our game is tiny. Saying "You have no idea how long it takes to do this, and do that, and get it all tested" is relevant when you have a small group working on something. Last time I checked, this is a failed MMO that they spent a lot of money releasing and are now losing from, so I'm going to take a leap of faith and say they don't have a small group working on this.

Ergo, I'm going to stick with reason uno, the game was so badly coded that they are now having a nightmare changing it! I'll continue to stick around though, until it either gets better or is closed indefinitely.

Yeah, it seems that checking in every so often and "tight-rope walking" with our feelings on the matter is the only real option right now.

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Originally Posted by Archadius

Well let's be honest here, "die hard" is not synonymous with "blindly follow" :P

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Well said.