Crystal tower- leaving after getting

Fonk does have a small point. Duty finder is filled with rude people as well. I dont want to be in a group thats spouting racist, ignorant, or unsocial rude a holes. I have ran into this so much from transfering to hyperion from masamune. The right thing to do would be to stick it out, but that always isn't the case.

I have a simple suggestion to this.

Do not imply loot restriction. But lock the dungeon out when you get loot. Dungeon lock reset should be performed like the Coil does now.

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Originally Posted by Pacifyer

I have a simple suggestion to this.

Do not imply loot restriction. But lock the dungeon out when you get loot. Dungeon lock reset should be performed like the Coil does now.

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That would cause another problem. Alot of people would just finish up the dungeon on monday. If you, for whatever reason, couldnt get it done on a monday, your queues would get progressively longer as the week went on, as more and more people got locked out. Ive seen my queue as DPS, already go as high at 80-90 mins, healer around 30.

The lock is silly. It's not the best gear... and 1 item is lame. Lockout need, sure... but not greed. So much stuff is just rotting. When stuff rots because your loot policy punishes people for winning, it's really just sad.

Well people also leave if their item doesnt drop for example your drop you want is on the first boss and it doesn't drop it's faster to leave or force a dc (no timer that way) and reque then to finish the whole run only way to fix it imo is remove the restriction entirely I mean whos going to spend 5 weeks gearing in CT before starting on i90? noone just let us have the damn gear lol

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Originally Posted by Roflcoptorz

Lol yes faith. Faith that the "average" gamer would stay in a group which SE FORCED him to pug without the slightest chance of gaining from the rest of the dungeon.
Ya surprise, SE screwed the pooch on this again .

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I think blaming SE is a bit much here. If the sole motivation of what you do in this game is carrot on a stick that's really a player issue. I think certainly the lockout needs to be looked at, but I don't know if normalizing people quitting is good either.

I get my loot and I leave & i'm done with CT for the rest of the week

Duty Finder with 7 baddies is annoying enough... Duty finder with 23 baddies is ridiculous

deal with it

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Originally Posted by Thunderz

deal with it

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I think you forgot "you mad bro?" if you don't hit all the items on the checklist people might not immediately be able to place you as a generic jerk in MMOs.

jerks will be jerks - do what you will, people will always find ways to abuse any given system if they want to.
Example, as someone mentioned the easiest solution might be to give out all the loot at the end instead of per boss:

- It'll not bring a lot of joy to people if you don't get anything unless you defeat every boss (shouldn't be a problem really, but a lot of people actually struggle for whatever reason)
- It will in no way or form make people any nicer - it'll actually turn into flamewars a lot quicker and more often because someone has to be blamed for possibly not getting something right?
- What happens if you disconnect between bosses though you won something?
- Can you get kicked from the group thus losing out on possible loot?

If clearing becomes mandatory you will probably have evn longer waiting times if you're not overgeared and entering as a premade.

People are quick to blame the system but you have to consider all aspects around any given system and quite honestly - it is not unreasonable to expect some common decency in a mmorpg where people would help those who helped them, strangers or not. This is more of a social issue than SE fault.

Who cares if people leave after they win? It's not abusing the system... it's just the design.

They could do the same thing in WoW... you win, you are out of loot on that boss till reset. big deal.

The problem is that you can only win 1 item- period... so there isn't incentive to do all bosses... just the one that may or may not drop what you want.... and if it doesn't, you can leave and re-run with another group for another chance... so the system encourages it.

It's just a micromanagement technique to extend playing of a zone. It's not about making it fun... or interesting... it is about dragging it out as long as you possibly can by putting artificial barriers up to keep players from advancing- and not even for the best gear.

They could have easily fixed it in one way...you're only allowed to get 1 loot per boss. Got the loot on the 1st and 3rd bosses, but not the 2nd? Guess what, you're locked out of the loot on the 1st and 3rd bosses until Monday reset. You can still get what the 2nd has on a later run that week though. Better idea IMO.

Its at the point where I wholly expect to see 1-2 tanks and 1-2 healers disconnect after Behemoth. Its pretty much a mandatory occurrence during prime time weekends.

I like it, I always queue for duty in progress and get invites @ 3rd or last boss, where the stuff drops, which I want

that always saves me tons of time

I've had people drop and someone else fills within seconds every time.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I've had people drop and someone else fills within seconds every time.

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This. I was worried about people dropping out when I first heard of the lockout but I've had tanks randomly drop out halfway through and gotten a new tank within seconds. Only time I've had an issue was when a tank pulled a boss and then left because he felt like trolling, but he failed because tanks from the other groups saved the day.

It is a fairly terrible system. Two pieces of tank loot drop early and we both sigh because we know any further tank drops will rot from being locked. Stupid, stupid design. Change it to per boss per week lock, problem solved. With the new myth cap you are pretty much gaurunteed one i90 per week, so why is the i80 gear more random and restrictive?

No one should be shocked that people drop because it is a failed system. In fact, more people should drop to force SE to review it.

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Originally Posted by StarHate

With the new myth cap you are pretty much gaurunteed one i90 per week, so why is the i80 gear more random and restrictive?

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Aha ha) Good question)

It's fine because replacements are easily gotten with DF.

All the loot drops from the last boss, problem solved.

Same, i've been seeing leavers after loot A. it gets filled pretty fast (1~5 mins) but still ...

I queued in today just before the last boss as a dps. It was obvious they hadn't been waiting more than a few seconds. I won the loot too. People will always queue for an existing because they want to farm the chest.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

It's fine because replacements are easily gotten with DF.

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It's not fine because that tank that replaced the dropped one would've been able to allow another 23 people in. Imagine if every tank dropped upon getting their item, then tanks only wanting to do "in progress" runs. Healers and dps would have a jolly good time in queue.

Make it so loot can only be acquired after a timeout/ or clear, so any loot you've rolled on you get once you meet one of those 2 things.

But then, that puts you in scenarios where that rare drop you wanted shows up, but so does the asshole Alliance B

50 myth, 100 philosophy and a 30 minute lockout are pretty good incentive to complete this dungeon. Most likely people are doubling up their runs and doing CT to cap. The dungeon should only take 30 minutes. However, if the group wipes 3 times before the second boss I'm not motivated to help complete anything once I have my loot. The 30 minute lockout is enough of a punishment. It's unnecessary to deny them loot they've earned by doing the preceding content. Each area can be managed by 7 people just fine. Healing is light and alliances can assist in picking up the slack if someone doesn't queue right in. I have yet to see this issue really inconvenience groups to point they fail to complete their duty or even delay them for longer than it takes for someone to run up the platform. This game has bigger issues. Just look at the thread on couples being discriminated against in duty roulette for further reference. ;)

If it really bothers you report the person who dropped for being a poor sport. I'm sure SE will address it individually if it's a pattern.