Messin' with Sas....quare Enix FFXIV Botters: Volume 1

Calm down, you too. Taking criticism personally isn't helping out the issue at hand.

@Vahzl - do you think that the videos Peregrine posted show, without reasonable doubt, that the character in question is under the control of a third party automated program?

If it does not prove it, what is the reasonable doubt?

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Calm down, you too. Taking criticism personally isn't helping out the issue at hand.

@Vahzl - do you think that the videos Peregrine posted show, without reasonable doubt, that the character in question is under the control of a third party automated program?

If it does not prove it, what is the reasonable doubt?

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I don't think I have ever said these people aren't botting. That isn't the point. What I am trying to point out is that the way this guy is going about this is:

1) Against the forum policies
2) Against the Terms of Service
3) Will result in him getting in more trouble than the bots
4) Is causing more susceptible people to believe his behaviour is ok and begin the same behaviours on their servers

All it is going to take is one wrong move and he, along with his little friends, will be looking down the wrong end of a closed account.

Witch hunting bots pretty much always leads to the renegade player losing their account too, as they think that they are allowed to break the policies when dealing with someone else who might be. To be honest though, I don't think this community would miss him, so it would be no skin off my nose if it was to happen to him.

@Peregrine
You are just rude and insulting. Please leave this forum.

I think we can all agree that the STF hasn't been doing the needful work to stop RMT activities, we're one step below shout ads in Uldah with all the lalaclones.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

@Peregrine
You are just rude and insulting. Please leave this forum.

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To who? People who aid and abet the biggest threat to the going concern of the game?
This forum isn't for cheaters and people who like cheaters. If you're trying to carve out that niche, good luck.

I hope the name of your dog in this fight isn't Selena, Rinsui. If that's the case my dog ate her when she willingly attacked it.

People whine about susceptible people going out and killing bots, but what about all the people who see SE do nothing about botting for almost a year now...so they finally go out and be bots themselves?

No, I'll kill them as oppposed to watching this unopposed message continue that botting is okay.

Botting is not the weed of this society. It is the heroin.

oh yea, i remember a friend who mpk'd a bot once in FFXI.
the STF wasn't able to confirm that the user was using a bot, but apperantly the user "botting" was around his screen, so he also did a report.
guess who got the 3 day ban in the end.

don't play fools, just report any suspicous activity and keep yourself out of troubles.
or move to gysahl, we might have a bunch of DoL/DoH bots, but i hardly ever see DoM/DoW bots, i think i saw 2-3 since the release.

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

oh yea, i remember a friend who mpk'd a bot once in FFXI.
the STF wasn't able to confirm that the user was using a bot, but apperantly the user "botting" was around his screen, so he also did a report.
guess who got the 3 day ban in the end.

don't play fools, just report any suspicous activity and keep yourself out of troubles.
or move to gysahl, we might have a bunch of DoL/DoH bots, but i hardly ever see DoM/DoW bots, i think i saw 2-3 since the release.

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The thing about XIV bots is that the system wouldn't let them die if they didn't willingly engage something they shouldn't. They killed themselves. Logs show nothing but that they performed a suicidal action, if the logs don't show they clearly are just a playerless program.

That's simply what happens when you attack bardi as a R44 pug. You die. Case closed.

I love all these people trying to silence and mark me. Must be some kind of threat to their cash cows. I'm sorry, did you all not see a day coming when we get tired of this? What did you THINK was going to happen? We were all just going to get used to cheaters?

Square's going to have to choose between us and them. Pretty soon mind you. More youtube videos that show this game for what it is are popping up every day. Botter central. Only reason it's not hurting SE's and this game's image is that it's not even the worst thing about it.

For any other healthy game, this would be a disabling image, but when you're comatose I guess it doesn't matter much.

Still, one more, and one large, reason to not play FFXIV. Not only are botters rampant, but the few remaining people who do play sympathize with the botters.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

I love all these people trying to silence and mark me. Must be some kind of threat to their cash cows.

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Not at all, we are just getting bored watching you rant about like a crazed old man. Wish you would just shut up to be honest, you haven't said anything of merit in your last chunk of posts, other than quoting offensive materials, abusive language towards other posters, and threatening to kill people.

You are boring.

Bots aren't people.
Oh it offends you! It hurrrrts you!
Well your bots disgust me and kill this game.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Bots aren't people.
Oh it offends you! It hurrrrts you!
Well your bots disgust me and kill this game.

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...Yawn. Really, pointing the finger at me now? You really can't think of anything else? Really?

If you're done with my thread, you can leave. Or you can continue to show square enix just how much the RMT have some posters trained. So terribly sorry that the mods have no-actioned this thread, much to your chagrin.

You have your reasons for defending bots, botters, and games that tolerate them. If everyone knew exactly why, you'd probably be laughed off the forum.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

If you're done with my thread, you can leave. Or you can continue to show square enix just how much the RMT have some posters trained. So terribly sorry that the mods have no-actioned this thread, much to your chagrin.

You have your reasons for defending bots, botters, and games that tolerate them. If everyone knew exactly why, you'd probably be laughed off the forum.

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Mmm hmm, "your thread" now too. Wow you really are something. :)

Keep it up, you are only embarrassing yourself now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_M7pLXc6pY&

They can fight in the ground.
They can shoot their 2-handed weapon.

When will the lazy stop whining that we can tell this, and start acting on it?

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

Mmm hmm, "your thread" now too. Wow you really are something. :)

Keep it up, you are only embarrassing yourself now.

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Peregrine started the thread, so whats your prob? I agree with Peregrine and I am equally as mad about bots and hacks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rQ69x0k3RQ

This is how Vahzl imagines the rest of us play. We can't be sure people aren't bots!

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

She took my red coblyn, and turned it purple.

Not that that's a hack. Red mobs go unclaimed eventually. Right? And when a bot is spamming attack on it regardless of its status, that's precisely when they take it.

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you left combat

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Originally Posted by Point_Zero

you left combat

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The hell I did lol...my cane is out and I am healing my wounds right next to it in its territory. Better come up with a better explanation than THAT.

I wasn't even being sarcastic. The coblyn went unclaimed because of intended hate mechanics and what I had done to bardi, I'm sure. Doesn't even matter. What matters is that even when it was claimed by me, this bot was spamming attack on it.

dude it said it right before you claimed... thats all I am saying. you obviously did something to leave combat which allowed the bot to claim, they cant steal your claims.

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

I think judging by Peregrines recent posts people can clearly see the guy has lost it.

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peregrine is a bit zealous and tends to over emphasize everything, but fact is, its a bot, it appears to have access to game hacks, not just run of the mill botting programs. Seems like a serious issue SE needs to make themselves aware of, most importantly the hacks. Since his method of killing them is letting the bot spam claim, i dont see how he can be responsible.


But other than you not liking him and his tone, what is really your point? are you saying that this is not a bot? are you saying that he should leave bots alone? what is it exactly you object to? making people aware of exploits? i dont see why you are decrying him.

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Originally Posted by Physic

peregrine is a bit zealous and tends to over emphasize everything, but fact is, its a bot, it appears to have access to game hacks, not just run of the mill botting programs. Seems like a serious issue SE needs to make themselves aware of, most importantly the hacks. Since his method of killing them is letting the bot spam claim, i dont see how he can be responsible.


But other than you not liking him and his tone, what is really your point? are you saying that this is not a bot? are you saying that he should leave bots alone? what is it exactly you object to? making people aware of exploits? i dont see why you are decrying him.

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He will claim that he is an employee who handles RMT and cheating reports, and that all your witch hunting and ignorant perspectives are making him do his job. How does THAT work?

He thinks he has an insider's perspective, when honestly it's probably just made up. Working in a anti-cheating department and siding with the cheaters is like...well...it's so stupid that it doesn't even need an analogy.

Vahzl works for Moe, even if he gets paid by a company who Moe parasitizes.

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Originally Posted by Point_Zero

dude it said it right before you claimed... thats all I am saying. you obviously did something to leave combat which allowed the bot to claim, they cant steal your claims.

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Haha well you feel free to point me to the leave combat button.
The message is a result of losing the claim. Not proof that I did or didn't do something.
I'm staring that coblyn in the face, and it's red. I heal myself. It goes unclaimed.

And like I said, I don't give a **** if it stole my coblyn or not. I never said that even mattered.
You keep trying to argue to a strawman. Your underlying point is irrelevant.

My guess is your underlying point is you don't like me.
Well, I don't care.

I don't even have to argue that the bot steals coblyns. It doesn't. That's simply the only fight you're capable of winning here, so you try to pick it.

For whatever reason.

I am not trying to win any sort of fight, I apologize if I misunderstood the point of the thread. Honestly, I thought it was another "OMG Bots steal my claim thread". My bad dude, I was just pointing out that the bot did not steal your claim that is all. Lol My bad

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

He will claim that he is an employee who handles RMT and cheating reports, and that all your witch hunting and ignorant perspectives are making him do his job. How does THAT work?

He thinks he has an insider's perspective, when honestly it's probably just made up. Working in a anti-cheating department and siding with the cheaters is like...well...it's so stupid that it doesn't even need an analogy.

Vahzl works for Moe, even if he gets paid by a company who Moe parasitizes.

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You realise that this whole claim stealing thing would require a program that can hack INTO the SE servers? You do realise how ridiculous your claim is right? Bots work by adjusting client side locations and decisions, that the server then updates once it has received the information. It is not possible for a bot to steal a claim from another player, as there is nothing in the game files that would allow this command to take place. It would also red flag very quickly if it even was possible.

Yes you might have found a bot, no you have not found a hacker.

Also why do you continue to point the finger at me? Referring to the witch hunts of salem, anyone could turn on someone and yell "witch witch", and have them condemned for it too. This reaction was usually a result of an accused witch coming at them with an argument they couldn't answer for.

What you have here with Peregrine is a snapping animal, cornered and angry. Desperately trying to survive on their wild claims.

I don't care what you think is correct about me, I know what I do, and I know how I play, your judgement on me means nothing, as I simply don't care enough about you.

However, you wind up so easily.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

My guess is your underlying point is you don't like me.
Well, I don't care.

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Then why are you still arguing with him?

Which GM action would you trust more; one that recognizes the bot problem and does something about the reports of the offending player, before persuing action on peregine, or one that drags their feet on the bots but swoops in and silences peregine for the youtube videos?

It'd be suicde for SE itself to look like they're defending the bots, and at the same time, a witch hunt would spiral out of control, but the only reason said calls are being made is because it seems like nothing is being done. If Eorzea is lawless, people will call for vigilantism, even if it is against the law, because some justice is better than none.

What we need is the law to step in. The STF and GMs must step in, and with visible results. Provide a massacre tally like they did on valentine's day. (We have banned xxxx people, calls of rmt activity have been on the decline, we have taken x billion gil out of circulation, etc.)

Or else all the gm calls and reports will mean nothing, and people like Peregine(even /if/ action is taken against him) will continue to call for action from the players, as long as they see the same bot day in and day out after their report and monitoring.

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

You realise that this whole claim stealing thing would require a program that can hack INTO the SE servers? You do realise how ridiculous your claim is right? Bots work by adjusting client side locations and decisions, that the server then updates once it has received the information. It is not possible for a bot to steal a claim from another player, as there is nothing in the game files that would allow this command to take place. It would also red flag very quickly if it even was possible.

Yes you might have found a bot, no you have not found a hacker.

Also why do you continue to point the finger at me? Referring to the witch hunts of salem, anyone could turn on someone and yell "witch witch", and have them condemned for it too. This reaction was usually a result of an accused witch coming at them with an argument they couldn't answer for.

What you have here with Peregrine is a snapping animal, cornered and angry. Desperately trying to survive on their wild claims.

I don't care what you think is correct about me, I know what I do, and I know how I play, your judgement on me means nothing, as I simply don't care enough about you.

However, you wind up so easily.

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Oh really? Client side only? Can you tell me where the "hide underground and heal" button is? Your so ignorant... seriously, read the thread.

Man how far do you have to stick your head in the sand to claim that these bots are not using some kind of third party game altering trickery. I mean heck there not even trying to be sneaky about it in the least its right out in the open.

Crafting and gathering bots those could be difficult to spot server side as its all client based. These on the other hand are obviously operating via packets. There was a time when these things had a short shelf life and would be removed rather quickly. these days, not so much. There are a lot of things that need to be done to get this games "House" in order, this is a pretty serious one.

That stuff is pretty possible Ive seen it happen in xi well not claim steal but running thru landmasses etc. you guys remember overlord bangoldek(NM in Davoi inside the caves) or w/e his name is how you had to go thru that stupid long path to get to his pop but if you could walk up a certain cliff you could get there insanely fast use to see RMT and players use this hack all the time.