I think they nerfed SMNS

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

but hey look at this way, we basically got a close ranged binding aoe that does bit more damage than our existing one!
oh wait... it's not like I used the already extremely situational tri disaster on garudas plumes to die on a slow shadow flare death >_<;
Also dat hidden Bane nerf! Extended dots was our huge surprise proc weapon. It seems we're not allowed to have great procs since BLM is the job for that...
The thunder drop is somewhat annoying but I could have lived with that but not in trade-off with a cheap Tri-Disaster clone!

I really don't know why they hurt Summoners this badly while they finally recovered by the bad dps stigma, they just get a new one from all the qq threads in the forums.
Our reputation will fall through the floor! ( which wasn't that high to begin with)

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they didnt nerf bane,they fixed it...if u read well it says that dont reset countdown ifthe current is higher than max one so after a contagion,now sometime if u have 40 second on a dot if bane restore countdown u loose contagion bonus on adds

oh and now Shadowflare broke bind so...no more SF death with bind

While 20+ CC might only mean a 3% increase it's still a HUGE loss. I can't make up that gear elsewhere unless I make a second set of Astral Gear with CC in it?

So frustrated right now especially since I recently passed on other Allagan gear for the Allagan boots that I believed to be my BiS (after 4 weeks of Coils hunting to get them). And while this won't make me stop playing the class I've loved since FF3, it takes the winds off my sails. Thank you SE for strange attempts at "balance".

Uhhh...what?

If you're talking about a stat change, not even ilvl loss, on an offpiece of armor, as if it will destroy your dps, you are completely wrong.

If I had lost my boots altogether, as in, my boots just vanished.

I would still do more damage if I had my goddamn thunder back.

You should be far more worried about that.

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Doing some napkin math here, thunder was roughly 2400 potency over 180 seconds. Losing thunder, and instead casting ruin in the 9 GCDs that we save (remember: Contagion, we actually should only spend ~8 GCDs casting thunder, but lets be on the safe side), loses us roughly 9.2 pps.

Considering summoners have a rough pps of 123.6 including pet, we're losing around 7.5% dps just from losing thunder.

Your 3% crit (which btw, is closer to 2% crit, or roughly 1% damage increase) is nowhere near that.

Don't get me wrong, I use thunder in my rotation (the loss of it makes no sense, as per my previous post, and wrecks my dps), when I have the chance to do so. But as I've said it's a luxury and lower on the priority list if I have to say bane gaols in titan, gtfo of red stuff, spread my spreadable dots in T4/Conflag/etc (thunder cannot be spread). But crit chance loss is large because it affects Ruin spam (which crits often for me), dot crits (confirmation required but I think they do crit), fester crits, our pets crits, and the times that Enhanced Pet Actions proc (+spell speed), etc.

Where are thes echanges posted?
I asked in another thread, got no response, cause I am impatient. <_<

i can accept the loss of thunder if all other dots has increased duration to 30,replace the dmg,simplify rotations and saves mana (used to spam ruin2 for using gcd for other spells)

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Originally Posted by Leiron

Where are thes echanges posted?
I asked in another thread, got no response, cause I am impatient. <_<

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in lodestone,or open game and its in news

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Originally Posted by Phai

They nerfed all ranged, so ppl now will take melee and stop stacking randed....

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.....They nerfed my Scathe and my blizzard 2. THey didnt touch my fire 3, fire 1, firestarter, thunder II/III, or thundercloud. They removed the double flare bug, oh well. Can still flare convert swiftcast flare transpose freeze fire 3 etc. To say we got nerfed is true, but we got nerfed on stuff that we barely use/don't need to use. So really, for boss fights or significant add fights, we are the same. We are Legion

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Originally Posted by xardus

well without thunder we gain 212 mp at every dot refresh...not a big advantage but better than nothing,allow to cast 2x ruin2 but still dsnt worth the lost
mana can be a problem,but on most boss u cant go under him to cast miasma2or blizzard2 so its pretty unusefull,its good only in t4 for just 1 wave...bah i dont understand whats the point in this changes,maybe they just didnt think that smn is nerfed with this changes,noone of theme is plaing it

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Honestly, I feel this change is more pvp designed then pve.

These changes were made to balance the upcoming PvP aspect of the game. They're nerfing other classes balance PvP, while disrupting the current balance in PvE. I honestly think that there aren't enough people in this game who will go as hard in PvP as they do in PvE, so why balance it at all? Just seems pointless to me.

I sincerely doubt Thunder makes any difference in pvP to warrant its cross class removal.

It doesn't make sense in terms of pvp or pve balance, so I really don't get what their rationale was.

I am more worried about the pet. Pretty much obey and steady will mean the same thing. I hope that is mistranslated. I need a dev to tell me this.

Upon further inspection of this quote;
"When set to Obey and Steady, pets will only execute actions when commanded, and will remain in the Steady stance."

I may have been quick to judge. It now means that you can set obey and steady. Before you could only do obey and guard, which was troublesome to scholars. All we have to do is hit obey and guard, if this is the case then there is no problem. I admit that I read it and did not think it through. I was just upset with thunder and the allagan casting boots stat nerf that I transferred over those feelings to that section. I still want a dev to give us a proper explanation to thunder, allagan boots nerfing, and assurance of obey and guard.

ninja nerf

For the Obey/steady thing. It isn't lost in translation. But what you can do is have your SMN pet in guard mode and just click obey on your target. this will allow them to auto attack (this includes the first skill that is often spoken about as Garuda's Auto) and not use their other skills.

You can also probably do a Bio macro that casts Bio and hits Obey in the same thing to make things really easy. If you are on steady though garuda will not "auto attack" however if you are already hitting obey there really isn't a reason for SMNs to be in steady is there?

for SCH it is nothing but awesome. ^ ^

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Originally Posted by Maku

For the Obey/steady thing. It isn't lost in translation. But what you can do is have your SMN pet in guard mode and just click obey on your target. this will allow them to auto attack (this includes the first skill that is often spoken about as Garuda's Auto) and not use their other skills.

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for SCH it is nothing but awesome. ^ ^

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That is what I found out after rereading it. I already mentioned that my emotions got carried away. Initially hitting obey would put Garuda on automatic guard. All this would do is to make sure we hit guard first and the hit obey (if steady was hit for any reason). On another note the nerfing of the casting shoes is not that bad considering that the we can recover accuracy and critical with Tremor Earrings of Casting and the Omnitome book (It will take me a while to get the allagan book, my steady is no where near getting her down).

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Originally Posted by paradigmfellow

That is what I found out after rereading it. I already mentioned that my emotions got carried away. Initially hitting obey would put Garuda on automatic guard. All this would do is to make sure we hit guard first and the hit obey (if steady was hit for any reason). On another note the nerfing of the casting shoes is not that bad considering that the we can recover accuracy and critical with Tremor Earrings of Casting and the Omnitome book (It will take me a while to get the allagan book, my steady is no where near getting her down).

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以下のアイテムのボーナスパラメータが変更されていますが、性能設定に誤りがあったため、HotFixで変更前のボーナスパラメータに戻る予定です。
※2013年12月16日 修正

アラガンヒーラーサークレット
変更前：MND+18　VIT+18　意思力+15　PIE+11
変更後：MND+18　VIT+18　PIE+16　クリティカル発動力+15

アラガンヒーラーブリーチ
変更前：VIT+29　MND+29 PIE+26　クリティカル発動力+24
変更後：VIT+29　MND+29 スペルスピード+34　PIE+18

アラガンキャスターブーツ
変更前：INT+18　VIT+18　クリティカル発動力+21　命中力+15
変更後：INT+18　VIT+18　スペルスピード+21　意思力+11

These items will be changed back after a Hotfix.

Allagan Healing Hat, Healing Pants and Allagan Caster Boots.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

以下のアイテムのボーナスパラメータが変更されていますが、性能設定に誤りがあったため、HotFixで変更前のボーナスパラメータに戻る予定です。
※2013年12月16日 修正

アラガンヒーラーサークレット
変更前：MND+18　VIT+18　意思力+15　PIE+11
変更後：MND+18　VIT+18　PIE+16　クリティカル発動力+15

アラガンヒーラーブリーチ
変更前：VIT+29　MND+29 PIE+26　クリティカル発動力+24
変更後：VIT+29　MND+29 スペルスピード+34　PIE+18

アラガンキャスターブーツ
変更前：INT+18　VIT+18　クリティカル発動力+21　命中力+15
変更後：INT+18　VIT+18　スペルスピード+21　意思力+11

These items will be changed back after a Hotfix.

Allagan Healing Hat, Healing Pants and Allagan Caster Boots.

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Thank God!!!