Crafting leves are separate, so why not harvesting?

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Originally Posted by Choc

My problem is how many are available to us, the length of those leves, as well as the set amount of sp we get outside of leves. 45+ is a joke currently, especially for botanists and miners.

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Agreed, they put up to grade 10 fishing spots in the game, but mining and botany only have up to 5... also my shell is really active about doing battle leves and helping one another out. Half the time I don't have anything to contribute, or I have to only grab two or three to be able to save some for my gathering, which I'm planning on leveling all three gathering.

I guess my main issues are as follows:

--Lack of gathering leves

--Rank distance between gathering leves (1/10/20/30 compared to 1/5/10/15/20)

--SP gathered once you're a few Ranks outside the leves level drops badly.

--Why is it someone can go to a grade 10 fishing spot and fish to their hearts content for hours no matter their rank, but I go to a grade 5 spot for botany to raise my SP and it gives me 1-2 hits and then says its exhausted due to my rank?

--Wouldn't mind a SP bonus if gatherers wanted to link gathering leves at camps

--SE said all classes were equal and that gathering will be used when the new materia system comes out so why should I have to pick and choose between sacrificing SP for my Fighting classes and sacrificing Sp for my Gathering classes if Gathering is going to be needed more in the future?


I don't know... they have done a lot for DoM and DoW, they have done many things for crafting (Thank goodness!), but all I have seen them do for gatherers is speed up our animation... other than that I feel like we have kinda been pushed to the wayside until they announced that we would be used with the new materia system. I'm still gonna keep leveling up my gathering jobs because I do enjoy and love the jobs... just wish we could see some adjustments.

SP boost is good news, finally, beginning to think gathers were no where to be heard of.

But Ive been thinking the Fieldcraft and battlecraft should have been seperate from day one. Id rather crafting and fieldcraft be in the same league, and just boost local levequest max to 10.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

At this time, there aren't any plans to separate Fieldcraft leves from the shared reset timer with Battlecraft leves.

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Of course not because this is a simple fix that makes to much sense right?

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Originally Posted by Elkwood

Of course not because this is a simple fix that makes to much sense right?

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Not a simple fix

but it is something they should consider for the future plans


i myself would really like to see them seperated too

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

After speaking to the dev. team regarding the difficulty of obtaining SP via gathering-related levequests, they have informed us that they will be adjusting gathering-related levequests to reward significantly more SP than they do currently. Now you can level quicker to obtain that Star-Spangled Subligar you always wanted!

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woooooo sparkly pantsu~

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Originally Posted by Tokenkauph

I hope they change their minds on this, I hardly ever get to do the field craft leves because I use all 8 on battle craft leves to level with my friends. Leves are one of the few things in this game that give you a reason to group up with friends. Harvesting on the other hand is a solo activity, sure it would be nice to have some leves or quests to complete instead of mindlessly running from node to node but I cannot see trading a few of my 8 available leve slots to do so.

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Not to be mean, but that's your fault, not the game's. If you want them to be separate, you can do so. Grab 4 battle leves, 4 fieldcraft leves, and your crafting leve. There are an equal number of crafting and battle classes, and less than half that number are devoted to harvesting. Given how much slower the crafting classes are to level than either battle or fieldcraft, I think the current allocation is fairly balanced.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

There are an equal number of crafting and battle leves, and less than half that number are devoted to harvesting. Given how much slower the crafting classes are to level than either battle or fieldcraft, I think the current allocation is fairly balanced.

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There are an equal number of battle and crafting leves if you only do battle and crafting which would be 8 and 8. If you add gathering to that, it takes from your battle leves. If that factor is added in then there are now 8 crafting leves and 8 battle/gathering leves that can be split in whatever manner the player that does both wishes to split it.

I don't know if it's just me but I find gathering classes slower to level than my battle/crafting classes in all honesty... and I rank everything. I just don't feel it fair that someone who enjoys gathering and battle jobs have to be stiffed SP because they enjoy ranking both. Even if you go 'pure' class, gatherers are still getting stiffed in the end.

Pure Battle = 8 leves

Pure Crafting: = 8 leves

Pure Gatherer = 6 leves

well not for nothing, but just cause there are 8 crafting leve slots doesn't mean a crafter will actually get to do 8. Depends on what shows up and what rank they are, if they are leveling multiple crafts, etc. More often than not, class for class, a crafter gets to do less leves than a harvester, unless they just do low level ones in which they get double digit xp, or no xp at all.

Still, I agree. Harvesters should get leves separate from battle.

Kai- I totally agree with you on the point regarding the imbalance between fishing vs botany and mining. I can stand by a grade ten body of water getting 250 sp per catch at rank 33+ and never having to move my butt to another spot. But I can't do so with the other fieldcrafts.the travel time alone makes it slower to rank up botany or mining. Not to mention that the speed up abilities do not effect nodes 200 yalms or less.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

well not for nothing, but just cause there are 8 crafting leve slots doesn't mean a crafter will actually get to do 8. Depends on what shows up and what rank they are, if they are leveling multiple crafts, etc. More often than not, class for class, a crafter gets to do less leves than a harvester, unless they just do low level ones in which they get double digit xp, or no xp at all.

Still, I agree. Harvesters should get leves separate from battle.

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I do agree, not everyone might use all 8 crafting leves, I know I do because I'm addicted to crafting but this might (and probably isn't) not be the case for everyone. But at least crafters have the option to do so if they wish, gatherers don't even get that option.

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Originally Posted by bird

Kai- I totally agree with you on the point regarding the imbalance between fishing vs botany and mining. I can stand by a grade ten body of water getting 250 sp per catch at rank 33+ and never having to move my butt to another spot. But I can't do so with the other fieldcrafts.the travel time alone makes it slower to rank up botany or mining. Not to mention that the speed up abilities do not effect nodes 200 yalms or less.

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Yep, totally agree with you. :D

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

I do agree, not everyone might use all 8 crafting leves, I know I do because I'm addicted to crafting but this might (and probably isn't) not be the case for everyone. But at least crafters have the option to do so if they wish, gatherers don't even get that option.

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Yes, you can fill all 8 slots... with leves that give you almost no or literally no xp. Harvesters can do the same thing.

As a rank 40ish alchemist, have you ever had a leve reset in which you were able to fill your journal with 8 level 35, 40, and 45 alchemy leves? I guarantee you that you haven't because that many don't exist.

In order for an alchemist your level to take 8 alchemy leves, they have to dip down into the 30, 25, and even 20 range. Harvesters can do the same thing, dipping into lower level leves to get all 8, resulting in extremely reduced or non-existent SP. The level 40 miner only have to do it with 2 leves, dipping into his r30s. However, the poor 40 alchemist often has to do it with upwards of 5 - 7, going as far down as into the 20s to fill his queue. See the point I'm making now?

However, this is an aside to the actual thread point, which is that harvesters should get their own leves independent of battle classes. It is just silly that they don't.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Yes, you can fill all 8 slots... with leves that give you almost no or literally no xp. Harvesters can do the same thing.

As a rank 40ish alchemist, have you ever had a leve reset in which you were able to fill your journal with 8 level 35, 40, and 45 alchemy leves? I guarantee you that you haven't because that many don't exist.


However, this is an aside to the actual thread point, which is that harvesters should get their own leves independent of battle classes. It is just silly that they don't.

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I will say in all honesty no I don't, but I didn't say I did all I said was I do use all 8 crafting leves. I level about 2-3 crafts at this time. Alchemy is obviously first on my list and I go to all three cities and get my 45's which are usually 3-4 leves. Cooking is my next and I go and get all the 30's I can out of that. If I still have leves left over I use that on what I feel like doing at that moment and get the highest leves for that class. I'm trying to get all my classes to at least 30 for subs by maximizing the most SP I can get with the highest rank leves I can get at the moment for my top 2-3 crafts I am focusing on. :)

And I agree that it is silly that gatherer's don't get their own independent leves! :D

The real problem here is that people aren't using the leve system as intended. Most people have a full 8/8 battle leves at all times because they always abandon them in order to keep the same ones each reset. Therefore it is detrimental to take gathering leves because you risk losing one of your good battle leves for a long time.

Once SE accept that the majority of people do leves this way, then maybe they will change it. It's kind of hard for developers to accept that the entire player base is exploiting the game mechanics all the time, because they can't do anything about it without either alienating the player base or suggesting that it's ok to violate the ToS.

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

There are an equal number of battle and crafting leves if you only do battle and crafting which would be 8 and 8. If you add gathering to that, it takes from your battle leves. If that factor is added in then there are now 8 crafting leves and 8 battle/gathering leves that can be split in whatever manner the player that does both wishes to split it.

I don't know if it's just me but I find gathering classes slower to level than my battle/crafting classes in all honesty... and I rank everything. I just don't feel it fair that someone who enjoys gathering and battle jobs have to be stiffed SP because they enjoy ranking both. Even if you go 'pure' class, gatherers are still getting stiffed in the end.

Pure Battle = 8 leves

Pure Crafting: = 8 leves

Pure Gatherer = 6 leves

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Whoops, sorry about that. I meant classes, not leves. Correcting my original post to clarify.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Whoops, sorry about that. I meant classes, not leves. Correcting my original post to clarify.

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Well even if you go class wise, if you break it down there are 4 branches of classes:

DoW
DoM
DoL
DoH

... so if you go by the logic that there are less classes so its fair they have less leaves, would the people who play DoM (which there are only two) be happy if they were told they were going to get less leves due to the fact that there weren't as many classes in DoM as their are in the other three areas of classes so they didn't need as many as everyone else? No, they are given the same opportunity as DoW's to have 8 battle leves.

A class area should not be penalized just because there aren't as many classes within that area. Everyone should be given the chance to use 8 leves how they see fit. So even then, as I said, DoL are kinda ripped off because they only get 6 while DoH, DoW and DoM can still get 8 leves if they wish to do so and are penalized battle leves on top of it.

The math still doesn't work out for people who enjoy ranking up both Gathering and Battle Classes.

The real problem here is not the leves but the sp. unlike the rest of the classes the main way you should be getting sp is finding nodes and seeing what they have in an area. so id say we should get more sp for every thing we do not just leves

I agree. SP increased is is beyond excellent, but having separate NPC's for both Battlecraft and Fieldfcraft for players allows more options, more gametime, and encourages players to start mining for those Catalysts wit the Materia System coming.

Agreed, a rise in SP would be nice... I'd still like to see them separated from battle leves but if they raise SP all around the board I wouldn't have to do as many leves and could focus on the ones that just give me the botany guild marks that I need.

Heehee I still have fishing and mining to finish after this! XD

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

The real problem here is that people aren't using the leve system as intended. Most people have a full 8/8 battle leves at all times because they always abandon them in order to keep the same ones each reset. Therefore it is detrimental to take gathering leves because you risk losing one of your good battle leves for a long time.

Once SE accept that the majority of people do leves this way, then maybe they will change it. It's kind of hard for developers to accept that the entire player base is exploiting the game mechanics all the time, because they can't do anything about it without either alienating the player base or suggesting that it's ok to violate the ToS.

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SE has already stated that it isn't an exploit because to do what you describe requires the sacrifice of both faction points and gil/item rewards. Regardless even if one did not leve cancel they could still easily get 8 battlecraft leves per reset. So other then trying to pass off something that has been stated is not an exploit as one, whats your point?

No reason Battlecraft and Fieldcraft should share leve amount cap.

I'd guess that maybe they don't want to just separate the DoL leves (assuming that "separating" them would mean that you can do up to 8 each of battle, gathering, and crafting) as that would just mean more gil coming into the economy from leve rewards. Of course they could just lower the rewards, but that would probably annoy people who don't have as much play time. And if them lumped the DoL leves in with the DoH instead, that would just annoy the people who level multiple crafts.

Personally, I think it'd be nice if you just got 16 leves per reset of any category you wished, but with a maximum of 8 per type (battle, gathering, crafting). But heck, as it is I can't do 8 rank-appropriate leves for any class except for my battle class anyway.

Since all classes are supposed to be actual, equal, full-fledged classes, it'd be nice if I would do 8 rank appropriate leves per reset for any given class. As it stands now, I can do that on my PUG or my CON, but not on my WVR or BOT.

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Originally Posted by Fleur

Since all classes are supposed to be actual, equal, full-fledged classes, it'd be nice if I would do 8 rank appropriate leves per reset for any given class. As it stands now, I can do that on my PUG or my CON, but not on my WVR or BOT.

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I agree, all classes are supposed to be equal but they are not treating them equal and I think all 3 leve areas should be separate.

Also agree that it is hard to get 8 rank appropriate leves on crafting and gathering unlike Battle. Usually to get max SP for max leves I split my crafting between 2-3 crafts, and of course with gathering I just do my 6 available...

At least give us 4 seperate DOL leves per reset if not 8.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

At least give us 4 seperate DOL leves per reset if not 8.

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Well they already give us 6... if anything separate them and give us six, I wouldn't want to see it lowered. XD

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

Well they already give us 6... if anything separate them and give us six, I wouldn't want to see it lowered. XD

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Yea sorry thats what I mean: 8 battle, 8 craft, 6 DOL. Leves are great for DOL but I don't want to use them to take up battlecraft spots.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

Yea sorry thats what I mean: 8 battle, 8 craft, 6 DOL. Leves are great for DOL but I don't want to use them to take up battlecraft spots.

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I agree 100%! :D

...and I just noticed we are on the same server! Hai!! :)

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

I agree 100%! :D

...and I just noticed we are on the same server! Hai!! :)

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Hey yea I've seen you around :P

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Originally Posted by Ruri

Hey yea I've seen you around :P

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Heehee! I'll wave next time I see ya! :D

Well I'm just saying they mine as well merge crappy gathering and crafting into one shack to make a good job that utilizes both and maybe throw in some battle skills that benefit a party. If that a case then it would narrow it down to battle/magic and Gather/craft boom problem fixed ;)

Gathering may not be fun, it is a mindset.

It's all worth it in the end.

You can gather stuff you need for yourself and others.

Having the ability to help others with leves would be awesome since I always have to turn people down to get my leves done, i'm doing all 3 at once which wastes 6/8 of my leves per day... kinda blows when you're wanting to help out but you want to get your classes up, being a sacrifIcial duty to do so.