Weapon drops will need to be adjusted for new jobs/classes

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Originally Posted by Felis

You can always buy a crafted weapon if you don't have drop luck.

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Indeed there are crafted options as well as the darklight weapons that come out of WP. Honestly though the GC weapons aren't incredibly gimp compared to the Ifrit stuff anyway.

I think I need to find 7 other people and do a Titan using GC weapons with AF/some DL run just to see.

Greetings,

Compared to the primal drop system from 1.0, with the current game you are guaranteed a drop when defeating a primal. The difficulty has also been adjusted with this in mind. Based on this concept, we decided to eliminate the totem exchange system and we do not have any plans to allow exchanges in the future.

As we do not have any plans to use totems or other exchangeable items from primals moving forward, we encourage you to exchange them for Allagan tomestones of philosophy.

We appreciate your feedback for when new jobs are introduced and subsequently if more weapons are added as rewards for primal battles. We do not have information we can share on this at the moment but we'll be sure to keep your concerns in mind when planning ahead.

Wow, neat. I didn't think a rep would respond to the post, but I'll gladly take it. If they're keeping this in mind as new classes/jobs are introduced, I'm sure they'll figure something out that works for everyone.

This game is all about rng, I would say even more so that WoW. More class the higher the chance something drops that no one needs.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

As we do not have any plans to use totems or other exchangeable items from primals moving forward, we encourage you to exchange them for Allagan tomestones of philosophy

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cough beastmen currency in version 1 cough

if you've got a retainer slot free i'd hang on to them.

What about the Garuda hairvortrexes (sp?) and the Ifrit tapers?

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Greetings,

Compared to the primal drop system from 1.0, with the current game you are guaranteed a drop when defeating a primal. The difficulty has also been adjusted with this in mind. Based on this concept, we decided to eliminate the totem exchange system and we do not have any plans to allow exchanges in the future.

As we do not have any plans to use totems or other exchangeable items from primals moving forward, we encourage you to exchange them for Allagan tomestones of philosophy.

We appreciate your feedback for when new jobs are introduced and subsequently if more weapons are added as rewards for primal battles. We do not have information we can share on this at the moment but we'll be sure to keep your concerns in mind when planning ahead.

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No plans at the moment... but soon. Sooooon!!!! *cackles maniacally with lightning crashing in the backgr-oh-wait I was just coughing cause of a hairball*

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I'm hoping for a vendor in the future that may allow you to trade in Allagan Tomestones of Philosophy once the Primal Hardmode fight is cleared. Although, this may also obsolete the two star weapon recipes that we have now.

the lot system is not bad. In 1.0 it took me 57 kills on ifrit before I saw even 1 weapon and it was for cnj, it wasn't until the 70th something kill did I get my bow and my 80th-something that I got my axe. PLUS we had to farm 5 drops in between to enter AND go back to grid to get a new ki AND run all the way back to the node to enter the fight. Same with Garuda and the Good King Moogle Mog. You wanna talk about how bad it is now? HAHA its fantastic nowadays. Heck even the difficulty of the fights are nothing compared to what they used to be.

Oh, maybe they can make it so that only loot for 8 classes drops in any given raid. If there are 8 different classes in the raid, those are the 8 classes. If there aren't, the game uses the highest level alt classes of the party members to fill in the extra slots.

It's a little work, but you can't cheese it by making a raid of 8 of the same job and it will prevent having to roll against loot for 20+ different classes (if the number ever gets that high).

Or when we have twice as many available classes, they could just add a 2nd box :confused:

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Or when we have twice as many available classes, they could just add a 2nd box :confused:

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dream on lol coil once a week.. lucky we get 2 chests in there

I support OP

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Originally Posted by Eightbit

As long as grand company weapons still exist, I am not worried. Primal weapons are more a luxury when you have a GC weapon.

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Honestly, if you have problems waiting for a particular weapon drop to come, I think you may be not enjoying the whole 'MMORPG' thing. It's kind of how it's worked for hundreds of years, and usually, with weekly lockouts, or waiting for a world boss to spawn again.

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

dream on lol coil once a week.. lucky we get 2 chests in there

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That cool, because the vast majority of those items are armor, not weapons, and as such will be viable on any new class/jobs they add unless they suddenly add new stats. There's no need to add chests in coil even if they add new jobs.

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Originally Posted by Canaduh

Honestly, if you have problems waiting for a particular weapon drop to come, I think you may be not enjoying the whole 'MMORPG' thing. It's kind of how it's worked for hundreds of years

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Is that so?

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Greetings,

Compared to the primal drop system from 1.0, with the current game you are guaranteed a drop when defeating a primal. The difficulty has also been adjusted with this in mind. Based on this concept, we decided to eliminate the totem exchange system and we do not have any plans to allow exchanges in the future.

As we do not have any plans to use totems or other exchangeable items from primals moving forward, we encourage you to exchange them for Allagan tomestones of philosophy.

We appreciate your feedback for when new jobs are introduced and subsequently if more weapons are added as rewards for primal battles. We do not have information we can share on this at the moment but we'll be sure to keep your concerns in mind when planning ahead.

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We can trade weapons for tomestones? Is that a new feature coming, or did I miss something?

I'm quite impressed that the reps have basically perfected the art of saying "we've listened to what you've said, we know what you want, but we really don't care and aren't changing anything for your ease of use, but for our ease of use." in a very polite way too!

0.0666666 just looks bad

Displayed as 6.6% seems reasonably fair to me.

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Originally Posted by Phaylis

This game is all about rng, I would say even more so that WoW. More class the higher the chance something drops that no one needs.

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Yet, you can go from a GC weapon to a Relic in 1 day if you're persistent enough, and with a skilled enough FC. Primal Weapons, in my opinion, are just "optional" weapons that you don't need. They're there just to fill the gap between towards your Relic.

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Originally Posted by Elurra

We can trade weapons for tomestones? Is that a new feature coming, or did I miss something?

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Okipuit's use of the word "them" may unclear especially for players who didn't play 1.x. What is being referred to is not the weapons themselves but the "token" items you could get in 1.x to trade in for primal weapons. These items transferred into ARR but could not be redeemed for primal weapons and can't be obtained any longer. If you check at Rowena's camp in RT you'll see the ability to trade them in for some tomestones (like Kupo Nuts and Inferno Totems).

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Yet, you can go from a GC weapon to a Relic in 1 day if you're persistent enough, and with a skilled enough FC. Primal Weapons, in my opinion, are just "optional" weapons that you don't need.

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Yeah, pretty much. I got my alt character to 50 last week and got relic quest done in one day. Beat/survived the whole thing including Titan in AF armor and a GC weapon.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

the lot system is not bad. In 1.0 it took me 57 kills on ifrit before I saw even 1 weapon and it was for cnj, it wasn't until the 70th something kill did I get my bow and my 80th-something that I got my axe. PLUS we had to farm 5 drops in between to enter AND go back to grid to get a new ki AND run all the way back to the node to enter the fight. Same with Garuda and the Good King Moogle Mog. You wanna talk about how bad it is now? HAHA its fantastic nowadays. Heck even the difficulty of the fights are nothing compared to what they used to be.

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Sounds to me like you just had horrible luck while some have much better luck. In 1.0-1.23 I had 2 characters, I only wanted an ifrit whm weapon, I killed ifrit and get it as a drop on my very first ifrit kill. So the party wanted to do some more runs, I had my second character ready to fight ifrit but had never fought him with that character either. So my 2nd character, which at that point only had DRG at lvl50, went into the ifrit battle and killed it on first attempt and got the drg ifrit weapon. So that was it, 2 weapons needed, 1 run per weapon and bam, was done with ifrit. Was barely 90 minutes total. lol My LSs hated me sooo bad for that. hahaha However, I had killed King Mog so many times, easily over 50 and I never got a single mog weapon and not even enough kupo nuts to trade in for a weapon. So yeah, completely luck based.

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Originally Posted by Canaduh

Honestly, if you have problems waiting for a particular weapon drop to come, I think you may be not enjoying the whole 'MMORPG' thing. It's kind of how it's worked for hundreds of years, and usually, with weekly lockouts, or waiting for a world boss to spawn again.

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That's the old school MMO mentality, there's a reason MMOs are moving away from that, because only a very small portion of the players actually enjoy getting abused for an entire day to have a lower than 5% chance of getting something that isn't exactly a giant step above what you already have. The rest of us rather work towards something and get it without wasting a day of our limited lifespan on something that should never ever take up a day of your short life to get. FFXI had that mentality and look at it now, even old abyssea and all the recent changes to make it more soloable/fun and take up less time isn't enough to keep many interested, because the reputation it has built for itself as not user friendly, so nobody in their right mind would start a new FFXI account now-a-days. Not exactly the right direction for ffxiv to be going in.

So no, most don't enjoy the old abusive systems anymore (if they did, there wouldnt be only 200-600 logged into their ffxi servers whenever I log in, it would be in the thousands) and since ffxiv doesn't want to die again, it really shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the old school MMORPGs. This whole waiting forever to get crap is an early foot in the grave for ffxiv, it's a good thing that they listen to the feedback and they (slowly) make changes to reflect what we want...for the most part...somethings like written contest rules not matching actual contest rules are mistakes they absolutely should not be making under any conditions, but I guess some old FFXI habits are hard for SE to get past and correct, even though they told me (on 3 different phone calls) that they have no intention of fixing their contest rules, which really boggles the mind why they would do something so anti-consumer but whatever, crap they don't intentionally fix will eventually come back and bite them in the ass, just like it did with their same mistakes on ffxi.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

It's what Square calls "content".

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What's funny is that "content" in french mean Happy. We could say ironic.

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Originally Posted by Cegiana

That's the old school MMO mentality, there's a reason MMOs are moving away from that, because only a very small portion of the players actually enjoy getting abused for an entire day to have a lower than 5% chance of getting something that isn't exactly a giant step above what you already have.

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I think you clearly took what I was saying and charged headlong at a brick wall with it. You're lucky in this game you can rerun ifrit 20 times straight to get your weapon if you so desire. BUT, as many have said, it's not a NEED item. Your relic is guaranteed, and once you have that, how often will you use the item from ifrit? I dare say not so often. So, yes, it is a ridiculous waste of time farming for those weapons, I agree with you 100%. What would a game be if we were all handed every item in it that looks cool though? What would we do while online? Work on the latest content? Oh, no most players don't actually enjoy working at something for a day.

Or maybe ... just maybe it's Squares way of forcing you into offering help to people who need to do content the first time?