Why people SELLING TITAN KILLS?!

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Originally Posted by revonine

What was his reaction I must know xD

On topic: If people wanna spend their gil on buying victory then that's their prerogative, pretty bittersweet though, such a rewarding feeling when you finally down the guy

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Durring the whole fight he was like ohh please carry my water I cant do this fight .And was all you scrubs are not going to get passed the nails. And was just running his mouth none stop . Then after the win and I told him off no one raised him and he left . We still talk about it to this day .

After patch 2.1 I can see the shouts in Mor Dhona...

"Selling Ifrit/Garuda/Titan Extreme kills"

Titan HM is just the beginning :P

I do not care what others do with the gil they have earned. Hell i may get lazy and buy them for my alts... ive done it legit before but who cares. most pugs end up just badly. Spend your gil how you like i say.

People sell runs for the same reason RMT exist. They are trying to profit off of lazy players, and the market is huge. I personally don't consider run-sellers to be as low-down and dirty as RMT. I do place them in the same general category because their "business" helps to contribute to laziness (just like RMT) by helping people remain lazy. It all boils down to the old "give a fish, teach to fish" saying. Teaching is better for everyone, but there is more profit in giving than there is in teaching. RMT and run-sellers obviously have little to no regard for the game. Profit is their primary goal.

Note: This post is aimed squarely at the majority of run-sellers who have no interest in teaching people the fights. I'm all for people charging to spend whatever time it takes to help others master the fights instead. Doing so is quite a bit of work, and would actually be good for the game community. Unfortunately, I doubt this will become very common. It just isn't as profitable as keeping lazy people lazy :(

I buy my Titan wins, I've bought 3 so far. I got my first all legit after 130+ wipes, forget doing that again, it was NO FUN at all, i hated every minute of being in there palm facing when people say they can dodge and they get knocked off before the heart.... was awful. I'd rather throw down 300k-500k to have a competent guaranteed win group then spend another 1-2 weeks per relic in there.

Though thankfully, my FC are pretty awesome now and can guarantee a win first shot so and we always take 1-2 members with us to "carry" and help people get their relics.

I really don't think there is any point in resurrecting this issue. You ask why? Because they can. End of discussion.

People sell Titan kills so that people in all greens and whites can do Coils of Bahamut, duh.

Why do people buy computers? Demand and Supply
Why do people buy banana? Demand and Supply
Why do people buy expensive handbags? Demand and Supply
Why do people buy sex? Demand and Supply
Why do people buy Titan? Demand and Supply

Why do people sell computers? Demand and Supply
Why do people sell banana? Demand and Supply
Why do people sell expensive handbags? Demand and Supply
Why do people sell sex? Demand and Supply
Why do people sell Titan? Demand and Supply

Here, Economics for Dummies. Also the reason why that book is sold in shops... Demand and Supply

People buy titan kills because, even if they, themselves, can do the fight just fine, finding 7 others who can, can be.....challenging.

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Originally Posted by Vanroe

People buy titan kills because, even if they, themselves, can do the fight just fine, finding 7 others who can, can be.....challenging.

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This.

Nothing worse than consistently being one of the last few standing in phase 5. But only half of your DPS is surviving past phase 4; attempt, after attempt, after attempt. I have on occasion considered paying for a clear for this very reason (As yet not needed to however, I have more competent allies these days, now working on relic #3). Personally, I can't decide if "geared/exp'd" premades, or random PUGs are worst; neither I've been in ever gets more than half the team to phase 5

Honestly, I see no point in buying Titan for your relic. Unless you just want the achievement and then stop progressing on that job... Coil comes after that and there are mechanics in there that require quick reaction times, faster than Titan. So let's say you went ahead and said, "well, because I have so much lag, I'm going to just buy Titan to continue with the store." Not going to do you a lot of good as what comes next will also have that problem. You're just filling pockets, and readying yourself for more frustration.

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Originally Posted by Anakhu

They sell them all over, not just where you are. If there is money to be made, you can bet someone will do it. Quite a few are starting to do them free as long as you put in the effort. There are definatly lazy people buying, but then there are also many who bought because they were tired of getting groups where one guy rages and quits after first wipe so the whole party has to leave and start again, about a hundred times or more.

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This could be a part of it. Imagine you are on your second or third relic; do you really want to put up with rage quitters? You did it once, and that was enough. If you would rather spend the gil than deal with it all over again; I can understand.

One thing I don't understand, are the people who are buying titan, not because they can't execute it themselves, but because they either can't, or don't want to spend time finding a group that can.

One of the reasons I play MMORPGs, is to find people who are pleasant to be around as well as skilled in the game. I'm in a coil group that could easily kill titan, as well as in several linkshells that has decent players who can easily kill titan. It all comes down to networking, being polite, and adding people to your friends list. It doesn't even require much effort, and you'll enjoy the game a lot more with people you can count on, rather than playing solo. I regularly help people get titan done for free, and expand my flist as well as my list of people I should be wary of in the future.

You're doing yourself a disservice paying for titan kills in that respect. But sadly, it's what MMORPGs have become over the past 7-10 years.

That said, I have nothing against the act of selling titan kills - I just don't like the effect it has on the community.

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Originally Posted by BloodPact

Honestly, I see no point in buying Titan for your relic. Unless you just want the achievement and then stop progressing on that job... Coil comes after that and there are mechanics in there that require quick reaction times, faster than Titan. So let's say you went ahead and said, "well, because I have so much lag, I'm going to just buy Titan to continue with the store." Not going to do you a lot of good as what comes next will also have that problem. You're just filling pockets, and readying yourself for more frustration.

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Except that for a lot of casual players, they probably will never go to coil. So that's not an excuse to stop them from getting relics.

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Originally Posted by Baneus

Why do people buy levelling gear instead of crafting it themselves?

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because they can buy it "NOW" and be done and not waste 3 days lvling a craft to the appropriate lvl to make that armor, in which by that time, technically in 3 days you can out lvl the crap out of that armor anyways, crafting is a major waste of time.

Another one of these threads? Deja Vu all day!

There is nothing wrong with people asking to be paid to do work for you. It is a convenience that groups offer.

Since no one is twisting your arm to pay for it, why would you even bother getting mad about it?

I do not understand why people get so worked up over virtual money. Gil isn'T even that useful other than for repairs.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

why do people buy cars instead of making a car for themselves?

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Because lag in real life prevents us from building a car ourselves....what we can't blame lag on everything?

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Originally Posted by BooskiBoo

There is nothing wrong with people asking to be paid to do work for you. It is a convenience that groups offer.

Since no one is twisting your arm to pay for it, why would you even bother getting mad about it?

I do not understand why people get so worked up over virtual money. Gil isn'T even that useful other than for repairs.

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The biggest reason they are mad is because they are butt hurt jealous that they had to beat Titan the hard way while others got a free pass, and they also get mad seeing other players making money from it. In short, their reasons are purely selfish and self-centered.

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Originally Posted by Mizuue

i know!!! another post...

but i wanted to SHARE with all of you this... because this is happening on my server EU(Cerberus) where people sell titan kills..i wonder if on other servers too(NA/JP)... i mean why people are so lazy to learn such an easy fight?? u DIE a few times so WHAT? i tried my best and with a good company and a good party i made it pass. And also they give up so easy...

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You ask why. The answer is simply, because people will pay for it.

Some people are lazy, suck at the game, or are sick of the "relic only" recruitment shouts preventing them from doing anything. While many choose to learn how to beat Titan legit, lots decide to just spend gil to make the problem go away. If I have a marketable skill and someone wants to pay me to use it, why would I say no? Hundreds of thousands of people play this game. I don't really care about noobs with relics and full AF. I never play this game with bads anyway, just my friends... Since I only ever do things with them, what do I care if a few of these morons are walking around my server?

I guess I'm just selfish. I love making gil winning an easy fight and laughing with 6 friends on voice chat about how bad people are to need to pay us for this.

A Free Company on my server helps pugs for free every night. I was talking to one of them, and he said he maxed out on Tomes of Mythology by Wednesday strictly from helping pugs complete titan. There are also Free Companies selling Titan for 350k. I'm not sure where I stand yet. Carrying people through a tough fight, even if it's the altruistic thing to do, probably doesn't benefit them in the long run. I learned to play my class better by banging my head against that fight, and my situational awareness also increased. I feel like I actually deserve to be in a coil run.

I'm leaning towards wishing people would stick with it, even if it takes a few weeks. The feeling of winning with a group using Ifrit/Garuda weapons and 1/2 DL is going to be exponentially more satisfying than getting a carry-win. Not only that, but you'll be better off as a player.

How many times did you have to run titan to clear it? Probably once with your free company right? There are friends of mine on their 60th try and more.......don't judge people who have tried so many times and become desperate because they simply cant find any good groups to run with. Maybe they think you are lazy because you only ran it once.

I thought I would have been pulling up the blacklist FC video but I thought this was nice to add.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C4oKekg1wM

God. not this again. Yes the fight IS easy.. but you do NOT fight it alone. Remember that..

The price of a Titan win shows you what a relic is worth these days...

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Originally Posted by Mizuue

indeed!!!! and u know how much per kill???! 300 k per titan kill! its a rip off. this is why im wondering if its happening on NA servers.

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Prices are down to 130K most evening on Cactuar....

sales happen because titan is a difficult fight thats why your complaining Bout the wrong thing you should be asking the devs to Nerf titan (and Leviathan too)

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BroFists needs a life. It's actually just sad at this point.

prob cuz TitanMen got banned.

They sell them because people are willing to buy and also because SE don't seem to be doing much of anything about it.

1 / HOLY Necro!!!
2/ Cringy to see one of my replies from 2013... 7 years ago...

Ouch! Thank you time machine XD

This kinda brought back one of my most amusing memories about an "interaction" within the game. Back in the days before PF all we had was shout-chat, so sellers would constantly flood it - quite annoying.
One day I was standing in Ul'dah when spotting a particular gem from one such Titan-kill-seller, which included their usual rate but also the addition that they'd wave that fee for any woman who'd join their TS and talk to them.

...quite ironic that both kill-selling and desperate cries for attention are still a thing today - only kill-selling evoloved to accepting real money, while attention-seeking went down a notch to simple "please, anyone interact with me!"