For The Love Of God..Equip Upgrades You Get In Dungeons..

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Originally Posted by Crystallus

STYLE > stats

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When it comes to subligar, I will wear outdated gear just so I won't have to wear those speedos.

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Originally Posted by Crystallus

How exactly did I hurt my group by skipping DL robe for whm and going for relic body (af2)?

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Pretty sure you didn't. I skipped the trash can DL chest/head and went straight to Myth pieces. I did sport the ugly Hoplite piece for a while though *shudder*

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Originally Posted by MorbidAngel

Ran WP twice last night and both runs had peeps with full AF that got gear upgrades and for some unknown reason did not want to equip them, one of them actually refused after I asked nicely because his AF "looked better"...

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They gave you the correct response

Then there's the opposite group: the people that forget to roll, leaving you staring at a drop you need while you nag them to do so.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I can't blame 'em. AK gear is fuuuuuugly. There's a reason I've stuck to my AF robe while gathering up myth tomes. I've no desire to look like I'm level 15 again!

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Yeah I hear you with the "creepy cultist" caster AK gear. The tank version on the other hand is my favorite lvl 50 set for tanks so far. Looks a heck of a lot better than the DL/DS trashcans, which are not only fulgy but ironically would be more useless in combat than the infamous "battle bikinis" in real life.

I wish AK and DL gear for tanks would switch places =/ the gear design for tanks is much better than DL. The trashcan is also the #1 reason why most career tanks opt for their Myth body first.

I'm not very far gear wise as df groups have little tolerance for poor inexperienced players like me. So I had a Darksteel armor made to help me in dungeons as I only have DL earings. And it is ugly, extremely ugly, but that's not the point. When I was in the service we had work uniforms (ie DL or DS), and a fancy dress uniform (AF). Wearing your dress uniform while working is insane.

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Originally Posted by Voison

Who said anything about DRG?

You said you skipped WHM DL chest for WHM AF2, which I will agree it does look better. The issue I have with that is, I aim for whats best in slot and everyone I play with does the same thing. I bought AF2 chest because I can get loot from Coil like gloves, feet, rings, etc. The gear I can't farm from 1 & 2 I will be buying with Myth. Chest drops from Turn 4 in coil, so I can't farm it just yet. In my mind though, if you don't gear up correctly you are hurting the group. I aim to win and down things as quick as possible. I'm also a big theory craftier, so seeing people gear up the wrong way, makes my head spin.

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My drg has full DL. You said I hurt my group by skipping whm DL for relic whm gear. Since I was on drg when I got the tomes I'm still unclear how I hurt the group. After all I was properly geared to your standards.

So how did I hurt my group?

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Originally Posted by Voison

How am I post to know you have / were on a DRG? You just said you skipped DL for AF2 on a WHM.
I don't think you understand what BoS means though..

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And you said I hurt my group because I skipped DL ellipses ellipses ellipses

Did I catch you assuming?

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Originally Posted by Davionx

AF gives me mana on my whm. Those "upgrades" do not

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everyone point at laugh at the af0 wearer

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Originally Posted by LostMK

everyone point at laugh at the af0 wearer

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I've been laughing at this thread for a while now and can't believe people hinder themselves for such a stupid reason. SE could of solved this if they would of put vanity slots in at launch like they should of had in the first place. So this is pretty much all SE fault.

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Originally Posted by Davionx

AF gives me mana on my whm. Those "upgrades" do not

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/facepalm

The upgrades increase your stats relevant to healing, increasing the amount of which you heal for each spell. Thus requiring you to cast fewer spells and use less MP. So the net effect is better than simply giving you more MP. And furthermore, you have Shroud of Saints, which regens your MP.

There is absolutely no reason you shouldn't upgrade every piece of AF with AK/WP gear. "I don't like the look" is not an excuse. That's fine if you're playing solo, but when you're with a party, it's not just your time you're wasting, it's everyone's. And when they add the Vanity tab, then you can "wear" your AF all the time if you want.

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Originally Posted by Voison

Not at all. You wear gear based the looks, not stats gained / lost. That is going to hurt groups so bad in end game, but you probably won't/can't get to end game. So I guess it doesn't really matter.

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I look good in DRG DL.
I skipped DL whm for a piece of gear that looks better and has better stats.



Define endgame.

Also super nice MB gear lvl 8 weaver really a lucrative craft to purchase that gear. I'm impressed dot dot dot

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

/facepalm

The upgrades increase your stats relevant to healing, increasing the amount of which you heal for each spell. Thus requiring you to cast fewer spells and use less MP. So the net effect is better than simply giving you more MP. And furthermore, you have Shroud of Saints, which regens your MP.

There is absolutely no reason you shouldn't upgrade every piece of AF with AK/WP gear. "I don't like the look" is not an excuse. That's fine if you're playing solo, but when you're with a party, it's not just your time you're wasting, it's everyone's. And when they add the Vanity tab, then you can "wear" your AF all the time if you want.

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I kindly disagree (at least for dungeon finder).
I think people have the right to play as they please (especially in an easy dungeon).
If you do not like their gear, simply leave.

DF will require a certain ilvl of gear equiped in order to queue soon - but that is not going to stop ppl from joining DF groups in gear that is not optimal - the only choices in playing with random ppl is to either deal with them or leave or if the majority agree to remove the player in question to kick them when that option is introduced as the devs have already stated it would be - not sure why a thread was needed when its quite clear there are only 3 options regardless of any complaints

I agree that you shouldn't expect people to carry you when you wear inappropriate gear just cause it "looks good". But if the gear is sufficient for the task at hand and the person knows what they're doing, why complain? AF in WP is perfectly fine.

ITT bads talking about other people also being awful.

AK gears are unforgivably ugly.

I skipped AK gear and went straight for DL, you can do ak in full AF1 you just have to know what to dodge and have a good team, jow I'm currently working on AF2 which I'm debateing on wheter to find a lesser armor to wear my AF2 crown or keep the Darklight armor til I can afford the body.

This is why we need vanity slot in 2.1

When I was dat noob I would wear my AF gear out in the world and switch to AK stuff in the dungeons.

Vanity wont fix the problem.

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Originally Posted by Davionx

I will keep mana over spell speed till I'm working on final gear sets. If you choose otherwise then so be it. I'll stick with my gaming knowledge and gear selection as I've been doing so in far more complicated games than this. But thank you for the assumptions to the contrary.

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Your gear is a hot mess. You might not need so much piety for mana if you actually upgraded. But you play how you want to play, whatever makes you happy. I pity those running with you though.

This thread basically boils down to...: "Play the game the way I want you to."

People will play the game how they want. You can't stop it. Some people don't play this game for the gear upgrades. I do, though. If it's better than what I have on I will equip it right away, but others may not. That's what you run into when you play a MMO. Player diversity.

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Originally Posted by MorbidAngel

Ran WP twice last night and both runs had peeps with full AF that got gear upgrades and for some unknown reason did not want to equip them, one of them actually refused after I asked nicely because his AF "looked better"...

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Are you the one paying my repair costs? No? Deal with it.

If your dungeon raid fails because one member wears a lv45 piece instead of a lv50 one, it's time to seriously question your whole group's skills.

Honestly, I sometimes wish I could pay peoples' repair costs. Especially those players that stick through a dungeon to the end despite wipe after wipe. It's unfair that you can't trade with people in a dungeon, not like you can scam the system or anything.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

If your dungeon raid fails because one member wears a lv45 piece instead of a lv50 one, it's time to seriously question your whole group's skills.

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Seriously. WP can be done with everyone in full AF. You won't be setting any records, but you're not going to speed in full AF anyway.

People rolling on gear that is an upgrade and then refusing to use it is annoying. What's also annoying are the people who need roll on gear that is a downgrade simply "cuz I can lols", using need rolls as a 'free loot' button.

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Originally Posted by Noshpan

When it comes to subligar, I will wear outdated gear just so I won't have to wear those speedos.

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If you have a subligar available and you need to not wear something, only wear the subligar and nothing else so you can truly show it off in all its glory.

going off title... NO, it cost extra GIL,(or in the words of a friend) its costs to much jill... lol everyone should find their own funny talker.