[Dev1008] Makeshift Jumping Implementation Poll

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

I don't get it. A list of things having nothing to do with jump doesn't make a case for adding jump.

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Just like "RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I HATE PEOPLE JUMPING IN PLACE ITS TOO MUCH LIKE WOW COH AND ALMOST EVERY OTHER MODERN MMORPG RAGEWTF!!!!!1!!one" doesn't make a case for those against it.

Actually you are wrong :)

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

Actually you are wrong :)

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Your opinion is duly noted.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Just like "RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I HATE PEOPLE JUMPING IN PLACE ITS TOO MUCH LIKE WOW COH AND ALMOST EVERY OTHER MODERN MMORPG RAGEWTF!!!!!1!!one" doesn't make a case for those against it.

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And I've never said that = D

However, I think the need to make a case lies with the group demanding something be added to a game when it's not needed. The fact that a lot of people have played the game for months and never thought "Gee you know what this needs? Jump!" is case enough.

Examination of the implementation of jumping. This means Examining the jump feature once implemented in their test servers and seeing if it works as intended and it is almost guaranteed it will because this new team is competent.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

Examination of the implementation of jumping. This means Examining the jump feature once implemented in their test servers and seeing if it works as intended and it is almost guaranteed it will because this new team is competent.

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If that is the case, then it still commends what i said earlier. Doesn't matter if they are going to just think about it or place it in test server, its still not even going to be thought about until later on.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

Examination of the implementation of jumping. This means Examining the jump feature once implemented in their test servers and seeing if it works as intended and it is almost guaranteed it will because this new team is competent.

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Examination of the implementation of jumping(moved from Current Tasks as lower priority)
*Implementation dependent upon risk analysis

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Taking only parts of a quote is a good way to try to make your point. You're wrong and everyone has access to the source.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

Examination of the implementation of jumping. This means Examining the jump feature once implemented in their test servers and seeing if it works as intended and it is almost guaranteed it will because this new team is competent.

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You left out the Risk analysis.

Risk analysis means what implications could happen and if it produces enough of said implications, it won't be added.

Don't want unlimited jumping, Limited jump context sensative would be fine. But I'd rather the developers pool resources in other areas as adding context sensative jumps would be a massive waste of time just so we can hop over fences.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Don't want unlimited jumping, Limited jump context sensative would be fine. But I'd rather the developers pool resources in other areas as adding context sensative jumps would be a massive waste of time just so we can hop over fences.

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This is a good point also.

Make a choice.
1) Jump
2) Story, Classes, Gear, Chocobos, NMs, Improve Dungeons in development. (Pick one)

"No Jump" is winning as of this post.

I shall still win this conversation when they put it in the game in the near future.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

I shall still win this conversation when they put it in the game in the near future.

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Quoted for posterity.

I see...

he's a Lalafell, so he doesn't want anyone jump over his head

I'll create a new character in Lindblum, wait for the time!

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

And I've never said that = D

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I never said you did, L. But that is a sentiment I see often on the topic of jump.

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The fact that a lot of people have played the game for months and never thought "Gee you know what this needs? Jump!" is case enough.

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The funny thing about that is that having to walk around everything from low fences to pebbles on the road is more immersion-killing than having the ability to jump would.

Secondly, character movement, despite what some may thing, is not smoothed out. Adding jump requires them to smooth character animations and reactions between player input (controller or keyboard) and the character moving. This is big to me because I want to see boss encounters that involve more movement and positioning and I know I'm not going to see that based on what we have right now.

Thirdly, dungeon design suffers a bit because you can't have ledges, platforms or anything of that sort. It all has to be ramps in order to move about. Concerned about players getting to places they shouldn't? Invisible walls are the answer there, probably associated with walls of smoke or columns of fire, or in the case of the Garleans, could even be lasers and force fields to keep things in theme.

I approve of this thread.

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

The fact that a lot of people have played the game for months and never thought "Gee you know what this needs? Jump!" is case enough.

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Sadly, thats not how it works when you are asking for something.

Gee, you know what i need? 5 Million Dollars.

No jumping please. It's my own fault if I can't read a map and navigate a path without running into a hill or cliff. And like many people have said, what people want as "jumping", would be unrealistic. The average vertical jump for a male is around 16-20inches, and female 12-16. That's less then 2 feet. What can we possibly do other then hop around?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

http://forums.riftgame.com/

You're free to leave at anytime.

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Why are you so quick to want everyone to go play a different game? In what world do you live in, because in case you have not noticed FFXIV had an absolute terrible launch and was rated one of the worse games of 2011. Out of hundreds of thousands of copies that it sold only a few thousand are still playing. That is only a handful for an MMO.
If everyone does indeed leave this game (whatever people are still sticking my SE, and that includes people in the forums because no matter they don't play... They wish this game to be successful) Not only will you NOT have a FF MMO to play, but SE could go bankrupt and you may never have another FF again.

So really I have to say to you... You got to stop driving people out of this game. Trust me, there are not so many left. Keep telling people to leave and soon there won't be anyone to leave.

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Originally Posted by Ceons

So really I have to say to you... You got to stop driving people out of this game. Trust me, there are not so many left. Keep telling people to leave and soon there won't be anyone to leave.

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Could be one of the lovely people who eventually start taking the "you're not one of us so leave" stance with people who have different opinions. At least here they can't sub-default your posts, making your comments effectively invisible.

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Originally Posted by Ceons

Why are you so quick to want everyone to go play a different game? In what world do you live in, because in case you have not noticed FFXIV had an absolute terrible launch and was rated one of the worse games of 2011. Out of hundreds of thousands of copies that it sold only a few thousand are still playing. That is only a handful for an MMO.
If everyone does indeed leave this game (whatever people are still sticking my SE, and that includes people in the forums because no matter they don't play... They wish this game to be successful) Not only will you NOT have a FF MMO to play, but SE could go bankrupt and you may never have another FF again.

So really I have to say to you... You got to stop driving people out of this game. Trust me, there are not so many left. Keep telling people to leave and soon there won't be anyone to leave.

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Looks to me like it was a statement of fact alongside an optional alternative.

I didn't see anything that implied he wanted anyone to leave.

I hear that rash statements like yours are the product of a guilty conscience.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I never said you did, L. But that is a sentiment I see often on the topic of jump.
The funny thing about that is that having to walk around everything from low fences to pebbles on the road is more immersion-killing than having the ability to jump would.

Secondly, character movement, despite what some may thing, is not smoothed out. Adding jump requires them to smooth character animations and reactions between player input (controller or keyboard) and the character moving. This is big to me because I want to see boss encounters that involve more movement and positioning and I know I'm not going to see that based on what we have right now.

Thirdly, dungeon design suffers a bit because you can't have ledges, platforms or anything of that sort. It all has to be ramps in order to move about. Concerned about players getting to places they shouldn't? Invisible walls are the answer there, probably associated with walls of smoke or columns of fire, or in the case of the Garleans, could even be lasers and force fields to keep things in theme.

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Right on. Rate up for valid points rather than "Gimme jump because I want to jump!!" = D

I'm more against stupid arguments for jumping than actually being against jumping. It's my opinion that improvements can be made to make the game fun & interesting all without implementing jump. It's definitely not a requirement for me. With all the more important things the game needs at best it should be a low priority and may not even be needed at all. But if it does happen, so be it.

I have not taken a "you're not one of us so leave" stance with people who have different opinions.

Just saying its silly to say to people 'go play rift', 'then go play that X game' or go back to wow. People are here cause they want this game to succeed. Stop telling them to go away, you don't really want that. People going away makes for a very sad lonely mmo....

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Originally Posted by Ceons

I have not taken a "you're not one of us so leave" stance with people who have different opinions.

Just saying its silly to say to people 'go play rift', 'then go play that X game' or go back to wow. People are here cause they want this game to succeed. Stop telling them to go away, you don't really want that. People going away makes for a very sad lonely mmo....

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It makes some sense. If a person wants a game that has certain features, should they...
A) Play the games that have those features
B) Play a game without those features and whine all day about how horrible it is because it doesn't have them, hoping to get it changed

Worth mentioning that it was said in response to someone who constantly bashes FF people as if their opinion doesn't matter & they should leave. So I'd say they're even.

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Originally Posted by Ceons

I have not taken a "you're not one of us so leave" stance with people who have different opinions.

Just saying its silly to say to people 'go play rift', 'then go play that X game' or go back to wow. People are here cause they want this game to succeed. Stop telling them to go away, you don't really want that. People going away makes for a very sad lonely mmo....

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I was referring to the person you were quoting. In essence, I agree with you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

It makes some sense. If a person wants a game that has certain features, should they...
A) Play the games that have those features
B) Play a game without those features and whine all day about how horrible it is because it doesn't have them, hoping to get it changed

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True.

ppl like evangela want to turn this game into some childish c*** ("the game sucks because u cant jump" explains all) instead of just going to one of the other 500 MMOs out there where u can jump around like a rabbit all the time.

What is unlimited jumping good for? Absolutely NOTHING, instead of looking at dozens of ppl jumping around without a break...


I hope the FFXIV devs are a bit like the EVE ones, which dont care about those WoW/Hello Kitty-type players.

Perfect solution.

They can handle jump the same way they handle auto-follow.
When I 2-box, Character A is followed by Character B. When character A stops moving, character B stops moving on Character A's screen, but is running in place on Character B's screen. I'm not 100% positive, but this is probably because Character B isn't changing positions on the x-y plane...so there is no need to display a running animation on any other clients.
If SE was to make jump be a "z" function on an x-y-z plane, they could configure it so that players could either choose to see the "z" plane movement or not. This way, if you want to see jumping, you can do so. If you don't want to see jumping, you don't have to. I mean, we already see ridiculous clipping when players run up and around small hills, so the clipping produced from players that would be jumping wouldn't be all that different.

If you want to jump, you can jump.
If you don't want to jump, you don't jump, and you configure your client to not see other players jump.

Just my 2 cents.

Later all...go Yoshi!!

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Originally Posted by Arik

Perfect solution.

They can handle jump the same way they handle auto-follow.
When I 2-box, Character A is followed by Character B. When character A stops moving, character B stops moving on Character A's screen, but is running in place on Character B's screen. I'm not 100% positive, but this is probably because Character B isn't changing positions on the x-y plane...so there is no need to display a running animation on any other clients.
If SE was to make jump be a "z" function on an x-y-z plane, they could configure it so that players could either choose to see the "z" plane movement or not. This way, if you want to see jumping, you can do so. If you don't want to see jumping, you don't have to. I mean, we already see ridiculous clipping when players run up and around small hills, so the clipping produced from players that would be jumping wouldn't be all that different.

If you want to jump, you can jump.
If you don't want to jump, you don't jump, and you configure your client to not see other players jump.

Just my 2 cents.

Later all...go Yoshi!!

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Not bad at all.

First double post!

Pretty much only being able to see it on your own screen. That could be the best way to implement jumping if it bothers people so much about rabbit hopping.

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Originally Posted by Alegis

What is unlimited jumping good for? Absolutely NOTHING, instead of looking at dozens of ppl jumping around without a break...

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You're raging about people jumping in place. Why?

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Originally Posted by Duelle

You're raging about people jumping in place. Why?

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Have you ever taken a noisy toy away from a child because of the annoying way they spam the noise with the toy?

It's kind of like that with a different sense.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

Have you ever taken a noisy toy away from a child because of the annoying way they spam the noise with the toy?

It's kind of like that with a different sense.

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I don't quite make the connection. The annoying squeaky toy is jarring and takes a lot of effort to ignore. Guys jumping in place because they happen to be bored are easy to ignore. That's just me, anyways.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I don't quite make the connection. The annoying squeaky toy is jarring and takes a lot of effort to ignore. Guys jumping in place because they happen to be bored are easy to ignore. That's just me, anyways.

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I made the connection for you. It's ok if you don't understand.

(Above post) Kinda does; the people arguing against it are those same types...Take 80% of the people that left and these things including jump was in top 10 of wtf's... That says something. Its an MMO and none of its game braking; matter of fact its pretty standard stuff...I swear half of you act like 60 y.o's swinging their walking sticks at the nearby kids.
One of the biggest jokes about FFXIV is copy pasta and jump...

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Originally Posted by Ceons

I have not taken a "you're not one of us so leave" stance with people who have different opinions.

Just saying its silly to say to people 'go play rift', 'then go play that X game' or go back to wow. People are here cause they want this game to succeed. Stop telling them to go away, you don't really want that. People going away makes for a very sad lonely mmo....

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I'll use an example even you can understand (I can be passive aggressive too.)

I want to play a FPS, am I going to demand SE add FPS elements to XIV? Or will I go play a game where it's already present?

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

I made the connection for you. It's ok if you don't understand.

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You make sense. I like you.

I agree to disagree with every opinion in this thread! We need more cowbell!

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Originally Posted by Tezz_Xivectro

Unlimited(with delay) or Zelda/FF13~ style

To the people saying jump has no purpose in the game:

Neither does Auto-run
Neither does Auto-follow
Neither does lock-on
Neither does a Delivery system
Neither does color coded text
Neither does a search function
Neither does monster levels
Neither does mini-map
Neither does Widgets
Neither does the journal


.... which we all know isn't true. Of course jump adds to the game just like everything listed above.

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Everything you listed was added for terms of convenience. Jumping does not make anything more convenient. It would only satisfy a certain OCD condition related to pressing a jump button repeatedly, or satisfy the people who crossed over from World of Warcraft to trick them into thinking they are still playing the same game.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I'll use an example even you can understand (I can be passive aggressive too.)

I want to play a FPS, am I going to demand SE add FPS elements to XIV? Or will I go play a game where it's already present?

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But its not an fps, its a platform/pc MMO and jumping is standard.

Maybe you should go back to playing ______, if you don't like jumping in FFXIV?

As you see, the above sentence is not a very nice thing to say. You can argue without telling people to f*k off.