Bring it to the streets

That's a really bad idea, just sayin'

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Originally Posted by Moth

That's a really bad idea, just sayin'

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Why? Because it would seem more like a real market ward?

Why? Because it would make towns more "alive" and give the illusion of a bustling trade-center?

Why? Why? Why?

Vesperia, you don't have any thumbs up on your original post... ; - ; I feel sorry that you feel so strongly about this topic, but...I can't say I see anyone on board with this idea.

Bunch of people standing in the street with blank expressions, seems kinda creepy to me...

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

BRING IT TO THE STREETS I SAY!!!

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LOUDER! If we scream loud enough SE will listen to us XD

Laggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg no ty

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

Vesperia, you don't have any thumbs up on your original post... ; - ; I feel sorry that you feel so strongly about this topic, but...I can't say I see anyone on board with this idea.

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Because they are too afraid that SE will implement it badly. SE doesn't exactly have a glowing track record with these things.

People say "it will make lag" or "NPCs will stand there with no expressions"

Two things that aren't necessary byproducts of the feature. People just have no faith in SE, they think SE can't pull this off, even though Ragnorak Online, TERA, and Mabinogi have this.

Poor SE, no one believes in you.

If you don't believe in this idea, by extension, you don't believe in SE.

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

Why? Because it would seem more like a real market ward?

Why? Because it would make towns more "alive" and give the illusion of a bustling trade-center?

Why? Why? Why?

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What we have now is a real market ward? A separate section from everything else just for selling stuff...

Why? Because this "alive" feeling would be false since NONE OF THE RETAINERS MOVE. Not to mention the horrible lag it would cause, especially in Ul'dah, the lack of space, and the problems with the targeting system.

Sorry but sometimes you have to admit your idea is bad.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

What we have now is a real market ward? A separate section from everything else just for selling stuff...

Why? Because this "alive" feeling would be false since NONE OF THE RETAINERS MOVE. Not to mention the horrible lag it would cause, especially in Ul'dah, the lack of space, and the problems with the targeting system.

Sorry but sometimes you have to admit your idea is bad.

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Just because you cannot solve minor problems with a feature doesn't mean its bad.

I dont know about you but ive never been to a marketplace and then been teleported into a narrow corridor and told to shop. That's not a markert ward. That claustrophobic and boring and stupid.

Bring it to the streets.

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

Just because you cannot solve minor problems with a feature doesn't mean its bad.

I dont know about you but ive never been to a marketplace and then been teleported into a narrow corridor and told to shop. That's not a markert ward. That claustrophobic and boring and stupid.

Bring it to the streets.

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Ignoring your post, how long do you think before you get banned again?

Ignore my post because you cannot refute it. As usual.

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

Fix the lag... ha, you act like there's more then 10 players to load in on a server at a time.

If SE doesn't want to make it happen, someone else will.

I distinctly recall a pretty thriving market place system in RO and Mabinogi. Funny to see SE beaten by cheap, Korean indy developers.

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do you know how random and chaotic it was to find crap in that game with so many shops around covering the streets!.....

The wards is a good solution to a problem, it gives a controlled placed for shops to be, in a searchable environment.

"Bring it to the streets" will only cause more lag in cities, and make it harder to find stuff.

You keep saying "minor issues".....you have no clue what it would take (and the fact that it could not really be done) to get lag to "go away" if you brought shops to the streets.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

do you know how random and chaotic it was to find crap in that game with so many shops around covering the streets!.....

The wards is a good solution to a problem, it gives a controlled placed for shops to be, in a searchable environment.

"Bring it to the streets" will only cause more lag in cities, and make it harder to find stuff.

You keep saying "minor issues".....you have no clue what it would take (and the fact that it could not really be done) to get lag to "go away" if you brought shops to the streets.

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First of all, in my idea there is a search feature and secondly, in my idea the Devs actually do their job and reduce lag.

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

Because they are too afraid that SE will implement it badly. SE doesn't exactly have a glowing track record with these things.

People say "it will make lag" or "NPCs will stand there with no expressions"

Two things that aren't necessary byproducts of the feature. People just have no faith in SE, they think SE can't pull this off, even though Ragnorak Online, TERA, and Mabinogi have this.

Poor SE, no one believes in you.

If you don't believe in this idea, by extension, you don't believe in SE.

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You are too desperate. You cannot make statements like this and expect it to be true. =p I don't believe in this idea because:

1) I don't want them in the streets.

2) I like market wards and I feel they need adjustments, not a completely new system.

3) It would be way harder to find things with retainers just strewn around everywhere.

I believe that SE has the power to make and do whatever they truly want their vision of this game to be. Not your vision or mine.

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

First of all, in my idea there is a search feature and secondly, in my idea the Devs actually do their job and reduce lag.

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.....oh for the love of god......

you can not have a search function in an open city like that, it is why wards can do it easily as it is separate from the city, and you can not just magically fix lag, there are so many things involved, especially if you are wanting to place so many NPC shops in the city streets.

your idea can not be done as easily as you say/want it to be. and the unnecessary clutter in the streets is just a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

You are too desperate. You cannot make statements like this and expect it to be true. =p I don't believe in this idea because:

1) I don't want them in the streets.

2) I like market wards and I feel they need adjustments, not a completely new system.

3) It would be way harder to find things with retainers just strewn around everywhere.

I believe that SE has the power to make and do whatever they truly want their vision of this game to be. Not your vision or mine.

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Sorry but if you don't think that SE can pull off a non-instanced Market Wards system then essentially you are saying that they are inept and, therefore, you are not a true SE and/or FF fan. You offend SE by saying such things.

Ppssssst it's a troll.

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

Sorry but if you don't think that SE can pull off a non-instanced Market Wards system then essentially you are saying that they are inept and, therefore, you are not a true SE and/or FF fan. You offend SE by saying such things.

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I didn't say that. lol You can believe what you want, but that doesn't make it true. =p Have fun in your own little world, Vesperia.

Im not a troll, I just think an instanced market ward is stupid - might as well have an auction house.

Give us a real market ward (where positioning your stall in town matters). Give us a dynamic economy, not an instanced one. Instances are stupid. Ruins my immersion.

I played a crafter because i wanted to actually PLAY as a crafter. The market wards in the game atm simplify the crafting experience and make it stupid and unsophisticated. There is no place for things like that in FFXIV.

Give me a true, non instanced market system.

I hope they'll do it

and retainers should be able to walk randomly like FF12 Rabanastre street :D

and if they can hop around the town... LOL

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

I didn't say that. lol You can believe what you want, but that doesn't make it true. =p Have fun in your own little world, Vesperia.

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I will have fun in my own little world. But eventually there will be a world merger due to low population because SE didn't implement these interesting features im suggesting. And then i will be in your world so watch out!

A non instanced market ward system is possible because TERA, Ragnarok Online, and Mabinogi have shown they are possible. Heaven forbid SE stop using ten year old server technology salvaged from FFXI!

People who dont want this feature are not true SE fans because they think SE incapable of releasing this feature in a way that works. Only a SE hater would say SE cannot implement a TRUE market ward system.

I beleive they can.

Vesperia, I'm surprised you still haven't learned how to troll better.

STOP ASKING FOR THINGS WE DON'T NEED MORE THINGS THEY ARE BUSY WITH IMPLEMENTING AUTOATTACK!

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

Well excuse me your majesty for not getting your permission before I started to make sense. I figured at least one of us around here should be. But obviously that's too much for you people to handle.

Look at it like this, the market wards are boring. They are claustrophobic and you hate being in them. It takes forever to zone inbetween instances unless your computer is from the future and the whole thing reeks of a rush-job.

If we could have retainers setting up shop in the street, not only would it instill life into the cities, it would also mean less zoning between isntances and also a more "immersive" and "realistic" economy. Instanced market wards are so lifeless.

They bore me and they annoy me.

I thought they would be right up your alley, considering.

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Nice that you try to speak for everyone while solely thinking of your own assbackwards idiotations. The market wards are great they function better than an AH, easier to use than an AH , provide less lag than an AH and help fight price fixing RMTing w/ the ability too see all vendors and they're exact asking price. Get a 400$ computer instead of the comodore64 you must be playing on if you have such harsh lag loading problems. It takes all of 2secs loading time on my crap 380$ pc to change zones. It took longer on ff11 for the damn AH list to fully load between catagories for me and i did'nt have an ADD-fit. Only arguable thing the economy needs is a damn delivery box/mail system.

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Originally Posted by Hikozaemon

Nice that you try to speak for everyone while solely thinking of your own assbackwards idiotations. The market wards are great they function better than an AH, easier to use than an AH , provide less lag than an AH and help fight price fixing RMTing w/ the ability too see all vendors and they're exact asking price. Get a 400$ computer instead of the comodore64 you must be playing on if you have such harsh lag loading problems. It takes all of 2secs loading time on my crap 380$ pc to change zones. It took longer on ff11 for the damn AH list to fully load between catagories for me and i did'nt have an ADD-fit. Only arguable thing the economy needs is a damn delivery box/mail system.

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Nobody asked for a comparison to an AH nor FFXI's AH specifically.

TERA, Ragnorak Online, and Mabinogi all have non-instanced market systems, why can't SE implement something like that? Why do they always take the easy and cheapest route?

instanced market wards are just an excuse to use cheap servers which crash every 24 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

Nobody asked for a comparison to an AH nor FFXI's AH specifically.

TERA, Ragnorak Online, and Mabinogi all have non-instanced market systems, why can't SE implement something like that? Why do they always take the easy and cheapest route?

instanced market wards are just an excuse to use cheap servers which crash every 24 minutes.

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Last time I checked we were playing FINAL FANTASY XIV. Just saying. =p Let the developers make their game. If you don't care for the way SE handles their game, perhaps you should try making your own? =)

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

Last time I checked we were playing FINAL FANTASY XIV. Just saying. =p Let the developers make their game. If you don't care for the way SE handles their game, perhaps you should try making your own? =)

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In case you hadn't noticed, Square Enix were trying to make crafting an actual class with its own style of progression. Do you really think the instanced market wards which are basically just an inconvenient AH give crafters what SE originalyl envisioned? The answer is no.

SE made FFXIV this way, so they might as well do it properly (i.e. with non instanced market wards).

And if you think it's infeasible, there are a million examples where it is feasible, hence my example in the previous post which you used as a jumping platform to insult my FF-loyalty.

You are the one with no FF loyalty.

I vote no because I used to play Battles of Immortals and that doesnt have an AH you setup a bazaar when you want to sell only instead of your character stood there you turn into a giant fking stall (similar to Aions but worse) That game uses "Channels" and the first 3 the main city was jam-packed full of stalls, it was very stupid. XIV doesnt have stalls and will be worse. It would look silly with loads of characters just standing around like animated statues.

Also the wards go down enough as it is, I dont want Uldah crashing every hour.

They get paid to fix issues like that, they dont get paid to sweep every thing under the rug into a little instance and declare the problem solved.

Remember how it was when FFXIV was first released?

Keep 'em where they're at...

Although having stalls on the streets....

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

In case you hadn't noticed, Square Enix were trying to make crafting an actual class with its own style of progression. Do you really think the instanced market wards which are basically just an inconvenient AH give crafters what SE originalyl envisioned? The answer is no.

SE made FFXIV this way, so they might as well do it properly (i.e. with non instanced market wards).

And if you think it's infeasible, there are a million examples where it is feasible, hence my example in the previous post which you used as a jumping platform to insult my FF-loyalty.

You are the one with no FF loyalty.

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Wait... I'm the one with no loyalty and yet you are screaming for them to change to your whims? How is that very final fantasy like? You are not supporting them with their decisions, you instead tell them how they should 'do things.' You tell us they are half-hearted in their actions. You claim every person that disagrees with you to be unloyal....but to who?

Just you. I'm sorry that not everyone is on your side, but there is a reason for that.

You wouldn't understand anyway.

SQUARE ENIX wanted to make a robust selling system, but they were too cheap to bring in the high quality servers needed to make an economic system like Ragnorak Online and Mabinogi and TERA, hence why we have instanced market wards.

Why you think SE can't do better than instanced market wards is beyond me.

But i guess that's your perogative.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

I'm not disagreeing that the market wards suck, but putting all the retainers in the streets is just a terrible idea! It would cause horrid lag, and not really achieve anything new that the wards aren't doing already.

Auction houses are *sadly* the most effective way of dealing with these problems.



If that was an insult (I can't really tell, your english varies from good to pretty bad on a sentence-by-sentence basis) it's pretty laughable.

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I can get 7 items from the MW at the same time frame as 7 items from WoW/ Aion or ffxi AH. not lying either. You guys are wussies. You play mmo but didn't want to play an mmo...... silly people did you know that people talked and bargined in mmo's? It isn't hard to do.

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Originally Posted by Renegade

Bunch of people standing in the street with blank expressions, seems kinda creepy to me...

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How do you play mmo then? those are players in any mmo...

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

You wouldn't understand anyway.

SQUARE ENIX wanted to make a robust selling system, but they were too cheap to bring in the high quality servers needed to make an economic system like Ragnorak Online and Mabinogi and TERA, hence why we have instanced market wards.

Why you think SE can't do better than instanced market wards is beyond me.

But i guess that's your perogative.

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Mabinogi was also laggy as sh1t at peek times also because of all the retainer banket stalls everywhere.....

SE just do a proper AH please and stop this nonsense. I have nothing against Rolanberry fields but I'll never ever buy anything from a system like that.

I just don't like clutter and would much rather prefer there being a designated area to help simply things. The idea of them being scattered around town would become a nuisance as well, considering I'd have to run from one end of town to the other. Here I thought zoning into each different ward was bad enough, but the idea that was brought up makes me appreciate the system we have right now so much more.

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Originally Posted by Xandre

I just don't like clutter and would much rather prefer there being a designated area to help simply things. The idea of them being scattered around town would become a nuisance as well, considering I'd have to run from one end of town to the other. Here I thought zoning into each different ward was bad enough, but the idea that was brought up makes me appreciate the system we have right now so much more.

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Fine, SE can make a centralised, conveniently laid out, mall-like NON-INSTANCED area where MOST people would use as their retainer shop, but they would still be WELCOME to use the rest of the city if they felt like it. It's called FREEDOM.

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

Fine, SE can make a centralised, conveniently laid out, mall-like NON-INSTANCED area where MOST people would use as their retainer shop, but they would still be WELCOME to use the rest of the city if they felt like it. It's called FREEDOM.

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I think you already have the FREEDOM to put your pg in a city and sell stuffs in bazaar. Do it now.

Vesp's threads are always hilarious. S/he'll defend his/her stupid ideas to the last, despite a vast majority disagreeing.