This game would be better off without gil

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Originally Posted by TheMoonflow

With no currency and no ability to trade items amongst other players it would be a very different game.

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Everyone would have to hunt their own items to level their own crafting jobs to meld their own materia for their own relic quest.
No would would buy carries and there would be no RMT
Houses could be made through crafting instead of payed for.
Some things would take longer to accomplish keeping people subbed longer, and giving them a sense of achievement that simply doesn't exist when you just buy it, everyone wins.

cons: ???

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All that removing currency would do is forcibly unite buying and selling, creating a dead-weight loss in potential economic gains made possible by the fungible nature of said currency. We'd be reduced to bartering for everything, which would discourage trade specialization and force all players to be generalists, meaning they'd be less effective at doing whatever it is they do to create value -- a problem which would be particularly exacerbated by the limited inventory space available.

Example: If I need bricks, and I make wheat, and you are the primary producer of bricks, but you only need oil, then I must develop competencies in extracting oil in addition to harvesting wheat in order to exchange with you. This would force my limited resources into two specializations, both of which will be, as a result, less effective. This is why currency was invented in the real world: to divorce buying and selling and to create a shared demand by which individuals with diverse goods may deal directly with one another.

Note: it also solves the problem of equitable exchange -- if I have a goat, and want firewood, and firewood is worth half a goat, either I have to buy twice what I need, or find a way to half the goat without destroying its initial value. Currency makes this a non-issue.

LETS REMOVE ALL PLAYER INTERACTION FROM THE MMO!

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

LETS REMOVE ALL PLAYER INTERACTION FROM THE MMO!

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It's funny because people would bring up the same old tired arguement about things like a dungeon finder, which is now widely considered as a necessity in mmo's

Abandon the filthy capitalism, embrace glorious communism! (100% proved working)

And we are already there. Every day you go to work on the fields(dungeons) and primals(factories). As result you get your food (loot tokens) No filthy capitalism money needed ever again.

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Originally Posted by Angu

Abandon the filthy capitalism, embrace glorious communism! (100% proved working)

And we are already there. Every day you go to work on the fields(dungeons) and primals(factories). As result you get your food (loot tokens) No filthy capitalism money needed ever again.

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you made my day of laughing

Just a simple question. If we don't have any form of currency, then what about the npc merchants and transportation methods?

If we don't have currency, then how are we supposed to reach Limsa Lominsa if we can't pay for the ferry or airship? If they would switch gil back to anima for teleportation, you would still need to have visited the Aetheryte before you can teleport to it. Would i then have to trade 1 or 2 stacks of Elm logs in order to use the ferry? That would be a form of currency as well.

Also, what about the merchants? They would become obsolete if we were to gather and craft everything ourselves.

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Originally Posted by Angu

Abandon the filthy capitalism, embrace glorious communism! (100% proved working)

And we are already there. Every day you go to work on the fields(dungeons) and primals(factories). As result you get your food (loot tokens) No filthy capitalism money needed ever again.

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False
Following your logic, loot token is communism then the current Phil and Myth tome system is communism.

No. You get your item drop (token) that you can use directly. Also Communism is about working as much as your capability and consume as much as your need. Here even if SE remove GIL people will still have the same amount of item they worked for.

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Originally Posted by TheMoonflow

With no currency and no ability to trade items amongst other players it would be a very different game.

pros:
Everyone would have to hunt their own items to level their own crafting jobs to meld their own materia for their own relic quest.
No would would buy carries and there would be no RMT
Houses could be made through crafting instead of payed for.
Some things would take longer to accomplish keeping people subbed longer, and giving them a sense of achievement that simply doesn't exist when you just buy it, everyone wins.

cons: ???

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Congratulation, you just win the "Worst Idea ever" title. And to me, your idea telling me you had enough of ppl buy Titan win more than prevent RMT, because RMT can still make money w/o gil,with the idea of yours who say you have to pay money to gil when you can pay money for mats & materials ?

here are the problem:

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Everyone would have to hunt their own items to level their own crafting jobs to meld their own materia for their own relic quest.

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I can ask my FC mate to help me with SB the gear, convert it and meld it and trade the item to me. What does it have anything to do with "no gil" ?

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No would would buy carries and there would be no RMT

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About this, please get over with it will ya ? ppl can play however they want, they work by themself or pay for the kill does not have any effect on you.

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Houses could be made through crafting instead of payed for.

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how do you buy the land ? a quest line kill xxxxxx of mobs and gather xxxxx material + kill xxxx boss ?
and the housing in 2.1 is build...dont know how much but you buy land right and craft the material to build the house, buy those parts is OPTIONAL no one FORCE you to buy

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Some things would take longer to accomplish keeping people subbed longer, and giving them a sense of achievement that simply doesn't exist when you just buy it, everyone wins.

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what is that something ?

I am sure they are ingame already, but what do you mean with something ?

Let's not forget the important thing, it would not be Final Fantasy without Gil.

It's a terrible idea.
Making it so everyone needs to level up all the crafts they'd need to make stuff for themselves would alienate too many players. Fewer players means less cash for SE.
The whole concept of having to do everything for yourself would be far too daunting for new players, it would also remove a large part of the interactivity which is at the heart of the whole MMO idea.

I thought about it for a second. Seemed decent, then I realised I wouldn't be able to help my friends with crafting or give my wife a minion I came across. Or work together with my fc on melding.

Not every trades in an impersonal way. I'm sorry if that's your experience but I have made crafting friends where we compliment each other. Your pro's are all things you have the option to do alone anyway. The only thing it might help is the RMT. I don't think that's enough to redesign the game, the merchants and even player interaction/UI.

So yea, bad idea. Don't force people to play the way you like to. Forcing people to have to do things they don't want to do won't make them appreciate those things more. Besides that, not everyone complains about that there's not much to do. When they do, what they really mean is that there's not much to do that they like and this won't change that.


BTW, everyone responding should at least acknowledge the OP said to remove all trading with players. So bartering or shard currency etc is out of the question.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

I don't think that's enough to redesign the game, the merchants and even player interaction/UI.

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Well this was only theoretical, obviously a drastic change like this could and would never take place at this point.
If a system like this was to be in place it would have to be from the get go, or shit storms would occur

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Don't just be dismissive. Radical ideas can lead to some interesting concepts when refined and analyzed.

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"HOOOW! You have nice goods! We trade... I'll give you my goods for your goods, agreed?"

I agree but when someone has already re-invented the wheel, I don't think there's a chance in hell it'll be repeated.

The universal trade currency is gil yet we all still have the trade function and yet I don't know anyone who actually uses it!

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Just because a few small groups of people wanna exploit the opportunity of selling what's not theirs in the first place for money and breaking the ToS, it doesn't call for "radical new ideas". Criminals don't determine my fate in this life or the next. I rather put my foot down and stand up to them or suck it up. It's either Gil or GTFO. LOL

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

Congratulation, you just win the "Worst Idea ever" title.

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Says the person who can't even read, let alone understand the OP

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Originally Posted by Aldora

Just a simple question. If we don't have any form of currency, then what about the npc merchants and transportation methods?

If we don't have currency, then how are we supposed to reach Limsa Lominsa if we can't pay for the ferry or airship? If they would switch gil back to anima for teleportation, you would still need to have visited the Aetheryte before you can teleport to it. Would i then have to trade 1 or 2 stacks of Elm logs in order to use the ferry? That would be a form of currency as well.

Also, what about the merchants? They would become obsolete if we were to gather and craft everything ourselves.

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Could use something like company seals for ferry's instead.

I disagree that because gilsellers/gilbuyers and winsellers/winbuyers exist that the economy should be removed from the game.

Your solution to that problem is just to make a much more blander game.

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Originally Posted by TheMoonflow

With no currency and no ability to trade items

No would would buy carries and there would be no RMT

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With no trading and no currency, carries will be sold for real money and there will be absolutely no way to track it, because no record of the gil exchange takes place. Entire account transactions will be untraceable.

Removing gil and trading from the game effectively removes the only viable competitors to RMT vendors, i.e. those who sell carries for ingame gil only. You either have a FC or buddies to help you with stuff, or you gotta buy with real money from RMT vendors now.


RMT vendors will also be selling accounts with the things that people would originally want to buy. Order made accounts.

If you are attached to your account and want achievements on your account?
Sure, hand over your passwords and remove your authenticator for N days and they have a pro team carrying you through whatever achievement you want.

Last I heard you get coil gear from coil...

Yup not on the markets. Still in coil.

So.. Do you make your own food? Or even use food? What about your accessories? Do you craft them yourself as well? The game can be completely self sufficient if you want it to be. But that's your choice. Pushing this on people just sounds like you have no money and want everyone else to be poor with you.

Trading at its very essence is cooperation. Basically you're removing a huge way for people to work together. You have to be really naive to make these kinds of suggestions.

back on stone age when we pay a sack of rice on certain services lol

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Originally Posted by TheMoonflow

Could use something like company seals for ferry's instead.

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so all you've done now is trade gil for company seals... Basically there is no way to not need a currency of some kind just for basic administration of ingame commodities. when you need to build in work arounds for your "no currencey" idea to work with established MMO conventions it makes your idea not only unworkable, but just plain dumb.

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Originally Posted by TheMoonflow

Says the person who can't even read, let alone understand the OP

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No different than the person who blankets those with "I don't want to be forced to craft etc." as "People who complain there's nothing to do." Take my post, you've never refuted it. You ignore many people with good points that don't mesh with yours. You pick the responses you can attempt to argue and ignore those you can't. Usually resorting to strawman arguments or Ad Hominem.

Honestly in all 7 pages I haven't seen you actually defend your point. Everything you've said in support of it has amounted to "Yuh huh it is good and the best. Nuh uh you're wrong and don't understand!" You don't refute anything.

So basically you want to turn this game into Monster Hunter? SCREW THAT.