[Dev1058] You did it SE, you really did it

One of the things i am excited for the most is them just getting the battle changes out of the way, so they can start focusing on the rest of the game. They have always had great battle systems anyways, so it really wasn't my concern at all. I can imagine SE being a person on the toilet right now, pushing the poop out. After they are done, its all relief and they can get back to work.

Of course, I could have used a better analogy.. *snicker*

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

That's my biggest concern. Have they even started work on all that? Is it almost finished? Will we see it in patch 1.18? or 1.18a or even 1.19? ... Or have they spent all these months coming up with that plan and the work is only starting now? It does say blueprint as in not even started yet.....

I'm not being negative here... these changes are awsome and meet all my expectations but don't tell me i'll only see them in 2012...

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Of course they've started working on it. We wouldn't have got the post at all if they hadn't. As far as what patches they'll be coming? I would say the things that explicitly stated a patch (dungeons and auto attack) will be coming in 1.18. Some other things may trickle in at 1.18 like changes to actions and such, then tweaks will trickle in between 1.18 and probably 1.19, with the bigger, more vague changes like jobs and UI changes going for 1.20 (big patch number, I would expect some major changes).

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Originally Posted by Sephr

tp;dr.

Too pink; didn't read.

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Looks Purple to me? hmmm :/

ROFL. They haven't done squat. For all you know this game could get axed in two months.

Believe what you see, not what you hear.

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Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme

ROFL. They haven't done squat. For all you know this game could get axed in two months.

Believe what you see, not what you hear.

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we cant hear anything
they wrote it, they didnt say it

so we are believing what we see :)

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Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme

ROFL. They haven't done squat. For all you know this game could get axed in two months.

Believe what you see, not what you hear.

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yes, because SE has been sitting on their asses doing nothing since launch. You are rere.

For craps sake. You can at least be happy that they're actually communicating their plans and giving details.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Looks Purple to me? hmmm :/

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It's clearly purple.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

For craps sake. You can at least be happy that they're actually communicating their plans and giving details.



It's clearly purple.

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you missed my forum hater prediction post the other day obviously

If they give us a communication, its always lacking detail
If we get details, they demand pictures
If we get pictures, they demand Videos
If we get videos, they demand the content be in the game 3 days ago
If the content is in game it doesnt count and they need to have the next one coming right now

Rinse and repeat

Bunch of ungrateful harlots this community is.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

you missed my forum hater prediction post the other day obviously

If they give us a communication, its always lacking detail
If we get details, they demand pictures
If we get pictures, they demand Videos
If we get videos, they demand the content be in the game 3 days ago
If the content is in game it doesnt count and they need to have the next one coming right now

Rinse and repeat

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Perfect. Though i dont even think they rinse, they just repeat.

Filthy peoples.

Oh me oh my, this positive discussion got nasty fast, putting that aside for a moment!

and battle goodies and dungeons aside, this overlooked system has me very excited

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We realize that having to reequip gear and reset actions every time you change class is a source of chagrin. Although we are unable to indicate a timeframe, discussions are underway with the UI team on ways for players to retain equipment and action data for each class.
As battle revisions encompass not only tweaks to areas such as classes, items, and monsters, but also entail improvements to user interface, we wanted to share with you this aspect of our plans as well.

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how great is this!? Honestly, the hassle of reequipping gears and an entire slew of abilities is one of the most influencial reasons I exclusively play one or two classes (also, it seems very likely for stats to be saved based on a class basis after this) all right! :D

I thought the blueprint was pretty damn spectacular. I mean, of course all of it wont be implemented by tomorrow but if you're playing an MMO I would IMAGINE that most players would stop and consider just how long it would take to change the mathematical equations associated with battle mechanics so when you push a button it does X < Y < Z.

Not only the math behind it, but they are going to have to tweak animations for those set algorithms. And the UI? I mean we all know the core of it was/is a piece of crap so how do you expect them to re-code parts of crap to make it good in a quick manner?

I am in no way a programmer or am I a mathematician (how about that for a class), but I do have enough common sense that when you have a relatively small group working on a game, then taking that small group and putting them in even smaller groups to focus on one thing......IT'S GOING TO TAKE LONGER.

Logic logic logic logic is what people lack and surprisingly the dev's respondents haven't cussed anyone out. I commend them for that because I would have chewed some of you ignorant people out a long time ago. I'm not some SE lacky nor am I a blind fanboy, I am just able to realize (as much as can be) the difficulties that would be associated with totally revamping a game.

My only complaint is I wish they would have say 3-4 groups of 15-20 working on a set project. Yes, it would be a little harder to communicate within one another what you're doing but if you all have a set mission that you are to complete (ha, you like my little mission stab? No? Meh.) then you all could finish what you are assigned and once everyone is done a small group (as they are now, ASSUMING) of 3-5 from the 15-20 merges the finished tasks together seamlessly and polishes up what needs to be. And each time they all are assigned set tasks, the small group of revisers would change so nobody is overloaded etc etc. And they would go from one thing (such as battle system) to another (content?) and when they were done with each move to the next. Quick and effective.
This not only takes work load of a small number of individuals, but it also speeds up production. Maybe?

Wow this turned out long...

The forum community is worse than the game at launch IMO.

because @ launch you didnt know how bad it was going to get, you didnt have 7+ months of nothing and sadness.

As much as I welcome and like the new update, I really doubt it's going to "pull them through". It is just 1 feature out of MANY that needs to be addressed.

There will never be a magical patch that suddenly fixes everything nore will 1 patch make a massive difference for everyone, it will be several patches over the next year or 2, just like XI.

I'd think a brand new battle system with a decent amount of new content to go with it would have a substantial impact.

And the content isn't coming yet it will slowly be pushed out over several patches which will slowly pull people back (as well as push more people away as we'll be getting closer to other game release) so it balances out.

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Originally Posted by viion

because @ launch you didnt know how bad it was going to get, you didnt have 7+ months of nothing and sadness.

As much as I welcome and like the new update, I really doubt it's going to "pull them through". It is just 1 feature out of MANY that needs to be addressed.


There will never be a magical patch that suddenly fixes everything nore will 1 patch make a massive difference for everyone, it will be several patches over the next year or 2, just like XI.

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I been here since launch, yes it did have a bad launch, but I know it would pull through one way or another. either A played FFXIV did what I could do on it, Or B Did something else like play another game of sorts.

Right now, things are looking up from what they are telling us and what they are doing. My Expectations aren't set high, but I have a feeling it will pull through, after all this is the new dev team =)

If you don't like what you read then it's time to stop trolling these forums, accept you'll never like the game and GTFO.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

If you don't like what you read then it's time to stop trolling these forums, accept you'll never like the game and GTFO.

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They've been feed too often. Now they'll never leave.....

It has yet to be implemented

im a little worried this news only has roughly 35k views lol

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Originally Posted by viion

im a little worried this news only has roughly 35k views lol

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I think most people only check the front page. Letter from the Producer IX has over 100k views total

Lol why don't we wait 'til its actually released before thanking them? they haven't done anything yet, they have given you concepts, much like the Guildleve concept which probably sounded so great on paper and still hasn't been executed well.

I think Matsui did a great job with the battle outline. It looks really good. We will have to wait and see how it's implemented, of course. That'll be the true test, and they know it. But it looks to me like they may have found a way to make individual roles unique and suited to party play while maintaining the viability of solo play. The idea of making the job system specific to party play seems to me like a brilliant solution. If this works out it'll be no small accomplishment.

Again, though, we'll see what happens. I'm excited to find out!

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Originally Posted by Mack

Lol why don't we wait 'til its actually released before thanking them? they haven't done anything yet, they have given you concepts, much like the Guildleve concept which probably sounded so great on paper and still hasn't been executed well.

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Guild leves were content by the old development team. I'm sure the new one will improve leves and add new ones when more important things are dealt with.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

Guild leves were content by the old development team. I'm sure the new one will improve leves and add new ones when more important things are dealt with.

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Not my point, my point is when the old dev team created leves on a conceptual level, and reiterated them to us on their website, we were all like "omg sounds awesome" and not many people stuck around for leves...just saying, what are we thanking SE for when the battle system "concept" they gave us, while it sounds good, its vague at best.

"Lastly, in conceiving these changes, we have kept one fact close to heart: simply making enemies stronger does not equate to an environment that fosters and rewards skillful play."

"Although the amount in frequency of points awarded will be lower than previously, players will find that each point will have a more profound effect."

Those two lines solidified my resolve for the future of FFXIV. Now for the waiting period.

They're just letting us know that they're working on it :)

Getting a post like that is better than no post.

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Originally Posted by Yellow

They're just letting us know that they're working on it :)

Getting a post like that is better than no post.

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we know what they are working on... the post is nothing new and has not a single new information in it...
but its awesome since it gives everyone in the forums new stuff to "assume" and fight about :D.

i expected more, as i did with ffxiv in general but luckily witcher 2 is out now :D

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Originally Posted by Anty

we know what they are working on... the post is nothing new and has not a single new information in it...
but its awesome since it gives everyone in the forums new stuff to "assume" and fight about :D.

i expected more, as i did with ffxiv in general but luckily witcher 2 is out now :D

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A lot of the stuff was speculated about ended up being in there but it was a lot of new info. For instance, all we knew about the job system before was the name and it would be specialization or advanced classes.

While I dont want to get over-hyped about this info, I actually think it did give us some new information. They could have provided more specifics though, no doubt about that. And I hope that they implement these changes well and with all haste. Actually the most exciting part of this new information isnt the specifics, to me the most exciting part is that I see a frickin direction for this game. He was not abbrasive or rude but basically said there at the end that this is the way it is and you can take it or leave it. Even if this information wasn't overwhelmingly what I have been waiting to hear, I would have still liked the straight-forwardness of his 2nd to last paragraph. Some of us will like the changes, others will not, but now that we have been shown a direction for the game we can thrive in it, tough it out, or ragequit.

I was beginning to think that SE would cater way too much to aspects of the current game I don't care for. Now it seems classes = solo casual, and jobs = hardcore challenege and epic loot. They even specifically said high-level content would be designed around jobs and that (in so many words) classes won't be able to cut it. And by classes I am sure that means all classes. So that would mean high end content won't need to be gimped so that a Carpenter can save the world. Thats not to say they are leaving the casuals on the side of the road. Its more like there will now be a destinction between what type of content classes can do and what type of content jobs can do. For instance I see classes being able to do casual type activities such as crafting, leves, RP, and various other OW content. But I see jobs getting all the more epic and challenging content, and with it as they said will come awesome rewards that are representative of the chalalnge and commitment you put in to said events. On the other hand, maybe crafters see creating their own gear to be reward enough. As strange and disturbing as I find that train of thought.

I am also assuming that you can go back and forth between classes and jobs. Like maybe you equip/unequip Paladin on your Gladiator so that a more hardcore player can have more fun soloing certain content or just screwing around. Or a casual could when time/desire allowed, engauge in more hardcore activities.

They made a post.

They haven't done anything to merit what you have posted OP. There's no way of telling with that post how it will be applied in-game.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

A lot of the stuff was speculated about ended up being in there but it was a lot of new info. For instance, all we knew about the job system before was the name and it would be specialization or advanced classes.

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...and that's all we know now lol.